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Gainer into water vs backflip on skis

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Lukegnar
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I got gainers from about 15 ft on lock this summer and backflips and side flips from 25 ft into water. What are the differences when flipping with skis and boots on your feet? My air awareness is good to send 5s and 7s but never have committed to going upside down. I live close to a woodward and will attempt some flips there in the future. Any progression experience to share is appreciated.
Aug 26 2022 5:09PM
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saucemastrscotty
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LukegnarI got gainers from about 15 ft on lock this summer and backflips and side flips from 25 ft into water. What are the differences when flipping with skis and boots on your feet? My air awareness is good to send 5s and 7s but never have committed to going upside down. I live close to a woodward and will attempt some flips there in the future. Any progression experience to share is appreciated.

I would say tramp is more similar/develops better form than cliff jumping. Still good for air awareness tho.
Aug 26 2022 5:12PM
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SofaKingSick
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it feels a lot like a gainer and honestly imo gainers are harder because you have to jump out but also set the backward flip at the same time, whereas a snow jump kicks you into a backy if you let it. so there's more technique involved with the gainer imo. however your bottom half is much heavier with skis/boots/bindings on them so a little more oomph is required to get them around, and the flip has a little more of a weighted feel to it

but yeah, i'd say knowing gainers is overqualified for a snow backflip. just make sure you still pop well and set the flip and most of it is gonna feel really familiar
Aug 26 2022 5:13PM
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SamuelForsgren
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Backflip on skis is easier than gainers to water. Its like a gainer but you do it like a normal backflip and you dont have to jump forward because the jump and the speed will do it for you. If that makes sense. Its really just to send it and it aint hard to do. The hard part is the send not the flip so just build a jump to powder try it if youre that good at flips as you write then backflip on skis is easy
Aug 26 2022 5:29PM
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Keven
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Just make sure u commit to the flip, thats the hardest part
Aug 26 2022 5:35PM
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saucemastrscotty
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SamuelForsgrenBackflip on skis is easier than gainers to water. Its like a gainer but you do it like a normal backflip and you dont have to jump forward because the jump and the speed will do it for you. If that makes sense. Its really just to send it and it aint hard to do. The hard part is the send not the flip so just build a jump to powder try it if youre that good at flips as you write then backflip on skis is easy

This. Sounds like ur at the point skill-wise where if you commit you'll probably stomp it first T
Aug 26 2022 5:36PM
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shinbangclan
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Its gonna come down to the mental part because you have the hip thrust ingrained in your muscle memory now. Before I did my first ski backflip I could do them into water, on tramp, and on the ground, so I was very overprepared. My first backflip attempt I absolutely greased it; the second one I got too into my head, tail tapped my skull, and landed directly onto my spine. I'm lucky it was a soft day!
Essentially, the main thing you're going to have to get used to is (as stated above) the weight on your feet and the fear of it all. Practice on tramp if you get a chance. You will nail this shit easy.

**This post was edited on Aug 26th 2022 at 5:50:00pm
Aug 26 2022 5:48PM
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mobadis
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Strap the heaviest ankle weights you can find on and then do some backflips and you’ll have the feeling down
Aug 26 2022 6:07PM
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ReturnToMonkey
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15 feet into water? You're gonna want to whip it a little less on a jump with skis than off a 15 foot drop. I find myself whipping small gainers hard and ski backflips I kinda just jump and lean, no need to whip it fast
Aug 26 2022 6:24PM
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Casey
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ReturnToMonkey15 feet into water? You're gonna want to whip it a little less on a jump with skis than off a 15 foot drop. I find myself whipping small gainers hard and ski backflips I kinda just jump and lean, no need to whip it fast


Doesn’t take much to over rotate a backflip on skis, gainers into water is like okay don’t clip your head on the platform, don’t stall out, you’re gonna have to spot it late you need a pretty big drop to lay it out- it’s not that easy in my experience
Aug 26 2022 8:03PM
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BigmoneyMatt
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Honestly if you can gainer it should be really easy for u and u should try.

I can't gainer at that's my main worry about trying a backy
Aug 27 2022 4:55AM
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BigmoneyMatt
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ReturnToMonkey15 feet into water? You're gonna want to whip it a little less on a jump with skis than off a 15 foot drop. I find myself whipping small gainers hard and ski backflips I kinda just jump and lean, no need to whip it fast


I feel like this advice is why people land on their heads no cap. They take it too much to heart. Last season I was gunna try a 6 out of cannon and I had 4s with very little effort so my bro told me twice the huck twice the speed, dude was trippin cause I went cork 5 and got knocked out 😂
Aug 27 2022 4:59AM
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alpha.moose
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People land on their head because they don't commit. As long as you commit you won't land in your head even if you catch your tips or something. The main worry is over rotating. It obviously depends on the feature but most of the time it really is as simple as having a good pop and letting the jump do the work.
ReformedBI feel like this advice is why people land on their heads no cap. They take it too much to heart. Last season I was gunna try a 6 out of cannon and I had 4s with very little effort so my bro told me twice the huck twice the speed, dude was trippin cause I went cork 5 and got knocked out 😂
Aug 27 2022 9:37AM
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jompcock
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You don't wanna buckle on skis the way you need to for a gainer. You wanna not bend your knees til you fully leave the ground and see your feet come up in front.
Aug 27 2022 1:16PM
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BigPurpleSkiSuit
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I can wrench a backflip around. I cannot Gainer
Aug 27 2022 6:36PM
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KilaTsunami
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I feel like the front flip, going from water to snow translates a lot better than backies. Tramp only really helped with flat rotations and grab locations for me
Aug 29 2022 5:11PM
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theabortionator
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If you can gainer and backflip you can flip on skis. Might feel natural might feel a little weird but if you think it through and set it proper off a good jump it'll be there.
Aug 30 2022 5:05AM
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sullivano*b
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all you gotta do is commit, i learned how to flip on skis before tramp or water.
Aug 30 2022 4:35PM
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