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Hot Take: To get better at park, learn to ski moguls.

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koolkale
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Mogul skiing is badass and I believe it makes you better at park. The majority of pro skiers I know are sick at moguls. (Thread inspired by watching Adam Delorme shred moguls in Walk in the Park pt 2)

As much as I love being a park rat, it’s kinda sad to see kids throw cork 7s and struggle with bumps.

Mogul skiing teaches you control that no other part of skiing can and it translates to park skiing. It teaches line recognition, fall recovery, and ski mobility.

And most importantly, even tho the sport looks unstylish, it makes you have better, more fluid style in the park.
Aug 16 2022 11:32AM
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oldmanski
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Moguls were my park before there were parks. Love skiing them to this day whenever I get a chance.
Aug 16 2022 11:54AM
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partyandBS
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I mean expanding outside of you ‘discipline’ will help you ski better in general. Got hit your first urban rail. Lose a local slalom race with center mounted factions. Build a BC booter and huck your meat, rip some trees on a powder day, hit the biggest jump in the park, butter that roller even if there is a no jumping sign. Shit as long as your on skis your gonna get better.
Aug 16 2022 12:19PM
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wasatch_rat
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Skiing moguls consistently is the single best thing you can do for your skiing. Back in the day when I raced, slalom was my worst event, until my coach made me ski almost exclusively moguls at every practice for like a month. By the end of the season, slalom was by far my best event, and a lot of the mogul skills transferred over to other parts of skiing. Mogul skiers also pick up park and pow skiing like it's nothing.

Basically if you suck at skiing moguls, you sorta suck at skiing. But theres an easy fix, which is to ski more moguls.
Aug 16 2022 12:27PM
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SchizoSkier
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Yet another fire ass quote from partyandBS.
partyandBSI mean expanding outside of you ‘discipline’ will help you ski better in general. Got hit your first urban rail. Lose a local slalom race with center mounted factions. Build a BC booter and huck your meat, rip some trees on a powder day, hit the biggest jump in the park, butter that roller even if there is a no jumping sign. Shit as long as your on skis your gonna get better.
Aug 16 2022 1:00PM
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skiP.E.I.
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Basically every skier who influenced park skiing in the beginning came from moguls so it's important to be able to ski bumps to get a full practical understanding of the roots of newschool skiing.
I'd also recommend doing some snowboarding since so much of newschool skiing was influenced by that too at the start (style, grabs, halfpipe etc). Snowboarding will also give you a fresh perspective on your home mountain.
Aug 16 2022 1:14PM
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dwt802
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I mean every park skier should do all types of skiing to be the best they can be while having the most fun. That should be a given but sadly isn’t.
Aug 16 2022 1:20PM
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SamuelForsgren
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Yeah or ski offpist or ski pist and not only ski park theres a lot of skiiers who do cool tricks but arent that good skiers if you ski in the forest or offpist or just outside the park
Aug 16 2022 2:23PM
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SofaKingSick
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amazing that people invented moguls and a whole discipline around them just to mask the fact that they can't straightline shit as fast as me
Aug 16 2022 2:27PM
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teamdummy
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Learn to ski moguls because to ski areas seem to be shrinking their park budgets every year. Moguls may be the only place to shred and catch air in the near future.
Aug 16 2022 2:44PM
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mrk127
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I fuck with natural moguls hard, so fun finding the flow though them, hoping and poping from line to line. I don't really like the comp style of mogul tracks tho, slamming troughs while going in a straight line is not that fun to me
Aug 16 2022 3:07PM
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mikemac
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Best thread of the summer 🔝📈🧵🙌🏼
Aug 16 2022 8:04PM
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sullivano*b
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skiing moguls properly on wets is scary asf
Aug 16 2022 10:03PM
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HypeBeast
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Considering pow days quickly turn to choppy uneven moguls quickly, having the skills to be good in that terrain is paramount to skiing and having a fun day regardless. Call me crazy but nothing better than when people can zip down moguls totally in control and occasionally boost off of the bumps with style. Really helps with tree skiing too
Aug 16 2022 11:01PM
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AlexHallsEyebrow
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SchizoSkierYet another fire ass quote from partyandBS.

The Man never misses. Straight facts all the time
Aug 17 2022 12:12AM
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Butterytips69
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https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/943328/Wanna-Ski-Some-Bumps----Return-of-the-Turn
Aug 17 2022 9:43AM
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johnblaze
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SamuelForsgrenYeah or ski offpist or ski pist and not only ski park theres a lot of skiiers who do cool tricks but arent that good skiers if you ski in the forest or offpist or just outside the park


If you can ski bumps you can ski offpist.
Aug 17 2022 10:28AM
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hoodratz47
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Ahh the old "if you can't mogul. You can't ski"
Moguls suck. I can ski them with ease. But at no point during a day do I think I want to go slap some tails. Thank god for snowboarding that help knock them down.

wasatch_ratSkiing moguls consistently is the single best thing you can do for your skiing. Back in the day when I raced, slalom was my worst event, until my coach made me ski almost exclusively moguls at every practice for like a month. By the end of the season, slalom was by far my best event, and a lot of the mogul skills transferred over to other parts of skiing. Mogul skiers also pick up park and pow skiing like it's nothing.

Basically if you suck at skiing moguls, you sorta suck at skiing. But theres an easy fix, which is to ski more moguls.
Aug 17 2022 10:28AM
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BlainTalent
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Yo it’s ya boy blain

Hotter than the inside of a hotpocket
Hotter than the concrete in Vegas
Hotter than pasta when your checking to see if it’s done



Peace out ya boy blain
Aug 17 2022 11:10AM
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Chunderface
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Some of you are saying its important to ski moguls because there are a lot of them and parks are shrinking?

No. If you can't ski moguls, you can't ski. Learn how to ski.
Aug 17 2022 11:22AM
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Young_patty
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ChunderfaceSome of you are saying its important to ski moguls because there are a lot of them and parks are shrinking?

No. If you can't ski moguls, you can't ski. Learn how to ski.


”If you can’t do [one single aspect of skiing] you can’t ski. Learn how to ski.”
Aug 17 2022 1:08PM
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powpatrol
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https://www.instagram.com/reel/ChSa3v2FjPq/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

Stomped
Aug 17 2022 1:24PM
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theabortionator
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Moguls will def help your big mtn and all around skiing game. In between pow cycles or even at the end of a pow day things get chopped up pretty good. A lot of lines hold steep moguls. If you can rip through those you can do anything. If you blast off a cliff or cornice sometimes when it's beat up. And can't deal with moguls you'll explode.

Def seems like moguls have a good impact on technique but as others mentions doing diffwrent aspects of something helps you become more well rounded in general.
Aug 17 2022 1:54PM
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SofaKingSick
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powpatrolhttps://www.instagram.com/reel/ChSa3v2FjPq/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

Stomped


holy shit

(it was a full comp style bump run, dub 10 both ways)
Aug 17 2022 1:59PM
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sarc
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Nice tip OP. I like moguls, and consider them good practice too.
Aug 17 2022 4:11PM
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3mania
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powpatrolhttps://www.instagram.com/reel/ChSa3v2FjPq/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

Stomped


Ikuma is gonna throw a legit challenge to Kingsbury this season.
Aug 17 2022 5:40PM
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HiHowAreYou
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Hot Take













Are you ready?




















Fuck moguls
Aug 17 2022 6:42PM
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Brule.
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ChunderfaceSome of you are saying its important to ski moguls because there are a lot of them and parks are shrinking?

No. If you can't ski moguls, you can't ski. Learn how to ski.


There’s so much more to that.

Moguls help fine-tune what you can already do on skis. I raced growing up, so a key thing I learned from moguls and slalom training is that timing is everything. If you come out of a turn rough, you have literal fucking milliseconds to correct yourself for the next turn or next bump.


Absorption is also another key takeaway from learning moguls, too. You learn to loosen up the legs and let the upper body stay stiff like a popsicle stick, or else moving too stiff can come back and bite you in the ass long-term.


Once you can make quick changes without losing composure, you can translate that to anything else on the mountain.

Think about how quickly athletes can correct themselves in comp runs, regardless of discipline, and you’ll realize that a lot of freeskiers have had some form of moguls or race training prior to dipping ankles deep in riding park.
Aug 17 2022 7:13PM
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Kretzschmar
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Delorme and THall were some of the top mogul skiers coming out of Montana way back in the day which makes sense why they're so fucking good among the other pros that grew up shredding moguls:

"Even when describing his mogul skiing start, AD talks less of himself than about his mentors. “As far as young guns, it was T Hall and me, and one or two other kids, just following the big dogs around—Troy Denman and Jason Hanshit, two awesome skiers that loved bumpin’.....Kelly Morgan, Tanner and I, at every mogul contest, we were one, two and three." from an interview on ol Freeskier.
Aug 17 2022 7:18PM
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olddirty
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I think just skiing the mtn in general will help. I see a lot of people at my home mtn trying to grind rails and hit jumps but cant really ski switch.
Aug 18 2022 10:58AM
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SamuelForsgren
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+TbernatovichI think just skiing the mtn in general will help. I see a lot of people at my home mtn trying to grind rails and hit jumps but cant really ski switch.


Yeah I think its good being well rounded and not only ski park. A lot of people be in the Fjäll were the offpist is amazing and they are stuck in the park all day. I think you become a better skier if youre not only ski park but ski offpist and just pist to and moguls as this thread is about. Unfortunaly mogul courses are really rare atleast in Sweden were I live most mountains doesnt have it not even the big ones. I live close to a litle ski hill that have it but conditions there are shit its always ice and the lift is slow so im mostly skiing in another hill that is better but i think when im there this winter im gonna ski more moguls
Aug 18 2022 2:18PM
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BigmoneyMatt
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Always hated snowboarders who talk all this shit about moguls. Refuse to learn how to rip moguls proper.
Moguls are just as much for boarders, u just have no board control and don't want to look like a newbie.
Aug 18 2022 3:40PM
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PeppermillReno
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Most of the best runs are chopped up if this screws you up quit the sport. Enormous gnarly icy moguls can be hard to find tbh but are plenty fun assuming its steep enough.

Its only bumps on flatter stuff after a long ass ungroomed run that are kind of annoying when you just want to straight line out
Aug 18 2022 4:07PM
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HiHowAreYou
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You all have great points, and I think they're really interesting, but please let me present this counterpoint: FUCK MOGULS
Aug 18 2022 5:23PM
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BigmoneyMatt
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HiHowAreYouYou all have great points, and I think they're really interesting, but please let me present this counterpoint: FUCK MOGULS


#Chickenlegs
Aug 18 2022 11:40PM
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gvski13
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wasatch_ratSkiing moguls consistently is the single best thing you can do for your skiing. Back in the day when I raced, slalom was my worst event, until my coach made me ski almost exclusively moguls at every practice for like a month. By the end of the season, slalom was by far my best event, and a lot of the mogul skills transferred over to other parts of skiing. Mogul skiers also pick up park and pow skiing like it's nothing.

Basically if you suck at skiing moguls, you sorta suck at skiing. But theres an easy fix, which is to ski more moguls.

We had our coach do the same thing hes like the norwegians do it one ski no poles so before every training we did too
Aug 19 2022 2:22AM
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Lenny-
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Ive had to do 1 ski no poles on just some normal groomed blacks because I snapped a ski... Its incredibly more difficult than skiing on 1 ski while lifting the other one up like you would durring a back slide. Never thought about how much having the extra weight helps with balancing on 1 ski until I only had 1 ski. I cant imagine trying to get a clean line through moguls on 1 ski.
gvski13We had our coach do the same thing hes like the norwegians do it one ski no poles so before every training we did too
Aug 19 2022 4:29AM
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wasatch_rat
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hoodratz47Ahh the old "if you can't mogul. You can't ski"
Moguls suck. I can ski them with ease. But at no point during a day do I think I want to go slap some tails. Thank god for snowboarding that help knock them down.


I never said you had to like it. But moguls expose every problem in your skiing in a way almost nothing else does. I stand by it, if you can't ski moguls, you probably can't ski very well. Whether or not you enjoy it is a different question.

But whats not to love? Moguls are fun as fuck
Aug 19 2022 1:42PM
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Casey
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natural moguls can be kind of obnoxious, a mogul course will separate the men from the boys
Aug 20 2022 12:59AM
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hoodratz47
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You are going to have to elaborate on how mogul skiing exposes ability deficiency. I know that when I ski mougals. My stance is far narrower then normal skiing around.

more slapping with weighting and unweighted. Pretty much how people skied before we had parabolic skis.

I find absolutely nothing fun about them. But I will ski them if that's what has to be skied.

I will agree that if you don't have a good balance point as a skier. Mougals will absolutely fuck your day up
wasatch_ratI never said you had to like it. But moguls expose every problem in your skiing in a way almost nothing else does. I stand by it, if you can't ski moguls, you probably can't ski very well. Whether or not you enjoy it is a different question.

But whats not to love? Moguls are fun as fuck
Aug 20 2022 9:38AM
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ReturnToMonkey
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If you can't ski moguls switch, you can't ski
Aug 20 2022 7:48PM
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methscratchface
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I dont ski moguls at night, but I might hit the bumps.
Aug 21 2022 8:39PM
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