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Nothing new in 40 years?

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thankagaper
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the twin tip came and went with so much research, design , technology improvement, yet we ski the same boots from 1981.
the flexon works for moguls, not urban rails.
you legit cant even walk flights of stairs, yet we want to grease the DFD kinks in racer boots?
i know so many people tried to break the "mold" , but we still riding in plastic with shin bang....
open discussion , except for eheath, no one wants to read your trash, Do Not Post.
Jul 4 2022 2:10AM
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BingPow
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chill guy
Jul 4 2022 6:13AM
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TournevisRond
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Jul 4 2022 6:34AM
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weastcoat
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thankagaperyet we want to grease the DFD kinks in racer boots?

Yeah let’s just put on high top Vans instead sounds like a good idea
Jul 4 2022 8:13AM
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TRVP_ANGEL
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@eheath requesting ur opinion on this
Jul 4 2022 11:33AM
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thankagaper
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glad to see how closed minded the community is still.
the apex system is/was a good attempt of trying something outside of FIS standards,
a boot thats not meant for aerials....
a boot to allow freesyle movement.
the modern blade boot supports freestyle,
eheath is locked into oldschool, his brain cant fathom newschool skiing, technology, skis, binding systems, boots....
Jul 4 2022 11:51AM
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NattyNine
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Bruh you gotta chill and go outside or something. Your shit posting is getting out of hand.
Jul 4 2022 11:55AM
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ReturnToMonkey
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Nothing New came out last year bud
Jul 4 2022 12:00PM
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eheath
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you need a new shtick
Jul 4 2022 12:06PM
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thankagaper
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NattyNineBruh you gotta chill and go outside or something. Your shit posting is getting out of hand.


intelligent posts are scary?
the cognitive dissonance you are experience is from your brain lacking exposure to thoughts against what you have been brainwashed to know and believe.
tom wallisch cant nose butter, its true, and it makes you irate. this is cognitive dissonance, not shit posting.
if tom wallisch has a freestyle ski boot/skis, he could only do switch ups...lol
Jul 4 2022 12:09PM
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thankagaper
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eheathyou need a new shtick


nice trash post, from a trash.
its incredible you have trolled from your moms basement for twenty years, why would anyone respect you again? oh thats right, no one does.
Jul 4 2022 12:12PM
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thankagaper
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eheathyou need a new shtick


nice trash post, from a trash.
its incredible you have trolled from your moms basement for twenty years, why would anyone respect you again? oh thats right, no one does.
Jul 4 2022 12:12PM
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eheath
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thankagapernice trash post, from a trash.

I've never been called "a trash" before so I guess thats kinda different
Jul 4 2022 12:14PM
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thankagaper
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eheathI've never been called "a trash" before so I guess thats kinda different


the strain of covid known as heathicron , a troll virus that lasts decades. (when glamour loses arguments, she makes grammatical corrections...she has your manhood in her purse.)
you really are the idiot asshole that ruined this site, the kids need to know.




Back on topic , should freestyle ski boots be structured to perform wedge turns and quadflips, or should there be an alternative?
Jul 4 2022 12:20PM
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Christian_Bale
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consider the bicycle. Idk much about bikes but it seems that, apart from electric bikes, they haven't had any radical changes for a crazy amount of time. Sure there's new materials and features, but despite the crazy scientific and technological advances the basic design of bicycles hasn't changed. I'd imagine that improvements will continue to occur, so there will be "nothing new" but the basic structure will remain.
Jul 4 2022 6:20PM
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S.J.W
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If you can’t walk in a pair of ski boots then you have no hope of hitting a rail. Got nothing to do with technology, you’re just a kook
Jul 4 2022 6:44PM
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hoodratz47
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Ski boots will always just kinda suck. It's part of the deal. To be able to transfer energy and be able to balance they got to be like they are
Jul 4 2022 7:09PM
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BLandz
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Part of me hates NS members for being idiots and constantly feeding the trolls but part of me also loves it because its free entertainment
Jul 4 2022 7:57PM
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Lenny-
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OP I couldnt agree more about the need for some change. So this 22/23 season catch me riding urban with my ThrustPack.
Jul 4 2022 8:26PM
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thankagaper
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Christian_Baleconsider the bicycle. Idk much about bikes but it seems that, apart from electric bikes, they haven't had any radical changes for a crazy amount of time. Sure there's new materials and features, but despite the crazy scientific and technological advances the basic design of bicycles hasn't changed. I'd imagine that improvements will continue to occur, so there will be "nothing new" but the basic structure will remain.


great point....
consider the 1980 ski boot as a rigid bike, say 10 speed road bike.
the ski boot/binding system I patented in 2009, IS a full suspension downhill bike...
Jul 4 2022 9:45PM
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thankagaper
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S.J.WIf you can’t walk in a pair of ski boots then you have no hope of hitting a rail. Got nothing to do with technology, you’re just a kook


my unnatural nose butter, is better than your kook buddy tom wallisch natty nose butter...
oh wait, tom wallisch cant nose butter at all !
i guess SJW is a KOOK AND A NEWB.
Jul 4 2022 9:47PM
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Awelterego
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thankagapergreat point....
consider the 1980 ski boot as a rigid bike, say 10 speed road bike.
the ski boot/binding system I patented in 2009, IS a full suspension downhill bike...

We the people demand to see this patented system
Jul 5 2022 12:10AM
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mrk127
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you sound like you need a properly fit pair of "racer boots" and you will see the light
Jul 5 2022 12:41AM
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Michigan_Sucks
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thankagaperyou legit cant even walk flights of stairs



Outing yourself as a Jerry right here
Jul 5 2022 3:33AM
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mobadis
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Dangerously based. ALL improvements in ski technology have came from snowboarding. This is a FACT. Somehow le gripwalk has been the only thing improved in the shitty ass ski boot in the last half century.
Jul 5 2022 3:39AM
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DeCo98
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Christian_Baleconsider the bicycle. Idk much about bikes but it seems that, apart from electric bikes, they haven't had any radical changes for a crazy amount of time.

If you talking about mtb in the last 10years we had dropper posts, bigger wheels and massive geometry tweaks that make bikes wayyy more enjoyable to ride, now there's wireless transmission and suspension coming up strong. If you tried a modern one, you will frown upon a bike even from 5 years ago.
No major changes but crazy refinements. I think you only see massive changes when the sport is young, and skiing is over that phase . Mtb is getting there. Also don't forget that there's been a massive improvement in touring gear in the last 5 years as well. What could be done on boots? I don't know. If you get them properly fitted with good liners they're allright I think
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Dilldoes
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Christian_Baleconsider the bicycle. Idk much about bikes but it seems that, apart from electric bikes, they haven't had any radical changes for a crazy amount of time. Sure there's new materials and features, but despite the crazy scientific and technological advances the basic design of bicycles hasn't changed. I'd imagine that improvements will continue to occur, so there will be "nothing new" but the basic structure will remain.


I have a Gary Fisher Cake 3 from 2006 and a Trek Slash from 2017. I've spent alot of time on a 2021 Rocky Mountian Altitude. Trust me they have gotten way way better each generation/model/year.
Jul 5 2022 9:40AM
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thankagaper
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just read that full tilt is fully owned by k2sports, and will no longer be produced.
they prolly didnt even cut a check to bdog and edollo for their pro models....
Jul 5 2022 12:54PM
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theabortionator
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That's one way to spend your 4th
Jul 5 2022 1:36PM
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thankagaper
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theabortionatorThat's one way to spend your 4th


day drinking was that good yesterday?
alcoholism is bad,
take the first step, admit you are a problem.
Jul 5 2022 2:02PM
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NotEnoughSkiing
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Seems to me there's plenty of slight changes all with their pros and cons of which one always is do we need it.

There's plenty of specialization in disciplines so there's always going to be tech trees that vary somewhat and high end competition means some of that won't get out to the general public.

As far as revolutionary though what is it that needs to be so desperately addressed that is so widespread an issue that coming up with a new solution is paramount for the enjoyment of skiing?

Ski boots? There's plenty of discipline specific stuff (tilt, stiffness, buckle placement, etc) but here are things I've come across that have mattered to me when they work: boots with readily replaceable parts (heel/toe pieces, buckles), ability to heat mold plastic, lighter & stronger plastics, booster straps, footbed technologies, spray foam liners, heater technologies (the few that work), sock fabrics, the intuition liner, micro adjustable buckles, boot dryer tech, discipline specific buckle placement, and the lowtech neoprene shinguards I wear now under my socks on a non intuition liner.

Poles: adjustable, strap safety breakaways, material, lightness, balance, quick changeable baskets, not really tons of must have's here until you get into mountaineering type stuff.

Skis: Impossible to list it all. Each ski has a personality and likes to do certain things. The trick is finding one that matches your personality and interests recognizing no category leader can lead more than one category and there's a ton of preference. And don't forget just like people, most skis suck...

Clothing: Again impossible to list. Fabric tech is ahead of the ability for manufacturers to incorporate it all.

Ave gear: Seems to get better with big steps think airbags and the like no?

If the issue on boots is pain, than it's all about a boot fitter and granted that experience varies by miles. That's why things like Surefoot exist in order to take some of the black magic out of it with the foot scans and all that. Magic still required but it's another tool to make the experience better and works wonders for some.
Jul 5 2022 2:31PM
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thankagaper
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NotEnoughSkiingSeems to me there's plenty of slight changes all with their pros and cons of which one always is do we need it.

There's plenty of specialization in disciplines so there's always going to be tech trees that vary somewhat and high end competition means some of that won't get out to the general public.

As far as revolutionary though what is it that needs to be so desperately addressed that is so widespread an issue that coming up with a new solution is paramount for the enjoyment of skiing?

Ski boots? There's plenty of discipline specific stuff (tilt, stiffness, buckle placement, etc) but here are things I've come across that have mattered to me when they work: boots with readily replaceable parts (heel/toe pieces, buckles), ability to heat mold plastic, lighter & stronger plastics, booster straps, footbed technologies, spray foam liners, heater technologies (the few that work), sock fabrics, the intuition liner, micro adjustable buckles, boot dryer tech, discipline specific buckle placement, and the lowtech neoprene shinguards I wear now under my socks on a non intuition liner.

Poles: adjustable, strap safety breakaways, material, lightness, balance, quick changeable baskets, not really tons of must have's here until you get into mountaineering type stuff.

Skis: Impossible to list it all. Each ski has a personality and likes to do certain things. The trick is finding one that matches your personality and interests recognizing no category leader can lead more than one category and there's a ton of preference. And don't forget just like people, most skis suck...

Clothing: Again impossible to list. Fabric tech is ahead of the ability for manufacturers to incorporate it all.

Ave gear: Seems to get better with big steps think airbags and the like no?

If the issue on boots is pain, than it's all about a boot fitter and granted that experience varies by miles. That's why things like Surefoot exist in order to take some of the black magic out of it with the foot scans and all that. Magic still required but it's another tool to make the experience better and works wonders for some.


Thank You for your legitimate conversation, proving intelligence Does exist.
REspect Gets REspect, boys.
ski boots specifically havent changed since 1981, changing the fixed back of the boot defies the DIN settings of standardized skiing safety.... therefore any actual Flex is considered "dangerous" and forbidden.
but you know, im trying to grease kinky DFD's not wedge turn or quad off an aerial kicker....
Ski pattern flexes have followed the footsteps of snowboarding for the better in everyway, lets go full monty.
avy gear has been getting better, but way too expensive, almost like the pharma industry outpricing their drugs....
thanks again! let me know what ya think NES
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Rparr
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sit the fuck down
Jul 5 2022 6:29PM
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thankagaper
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Rparrsit the fuck down


after such a great conversation of reality, dont you want everyone to standup against darkness?
heath told you to post against me, but now you know, and want more of the truth.
and you know the truth about the head mod attacking good intellectual members, and even professional athletes...
Jul 9 2022 2:37PM
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CT_CREW
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mobadisDangerously based. ALL improvements in ski technology have came from snowboarding. This is a FACT. Somehow le gripwalk has been the only thing improved in the shitty ass ski boot in the last half century.


you realize some cultures have been riding very long, wide, and reverse camber skis for hundreds of years right?

Also your statement is an opinion.

Also "le gripwalk" sucks, cant bootski proper with it
Jul 11 2022 10:36AM
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CT_CREW
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thankagaperbut you know, im trying to grease kinky DFD's not wedge turn or quad off an aerial kicker....


why is it you think stiff boots will aid int he performance of wedge turns? Stiff boots( within reason to your body weight/height) allow for faster more powerful energy transfer from body to skis, which translates into better ski control/edge control...some nice soft boots will allow you to tuck those knees in all pigeon toed, and snowplow, without exerting much force on the ski, resulting in nice snowplow turns with skis flapping and wobbling with every bump, rut, and cookie in the snow

It also seem seems that "nosebutter" is number 1 trick for you, if your boots are real soft you aint gonna be able to flex your skis too much without falling on your face.

for me boots need a certain degree of stiffness/hardness to perform well, but one of the biggest factors i believe is boot fit. The way I see it the big improvement would be easier, more affordable, custom boot fitting or sizing.

anywho, goodluck with the boots bro. Nosebutter on.


haha sorry just over did it on replying to ski gabber posts... I should probably chill for bit.
Jul 11 2022 11:11AM
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WunhungL0
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Procure thine-self with one of these puppies
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Rparr
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WunhungL0Procure thine-self with one of these puppies

damn now I feel old. Pretty sure I still have a pair of the blue ones, but they are beyond toast
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little1337
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the tri tip ski?
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