Texas Elementary School Shooting

mobadisSee now you are arguing on an emotional basis. “Children being slaughtered on a regular basis” makes for an impactful, emotionally effective headline, but fails to actually address the issues at hand. If we wanted to go down that path, “Chicago a bloodbath of gore and death daily”, “Roving mad-max style gangs target Los Angeles stores for pillage” , “Chinese killer fentanyl leaves countless children orphaned”. Thinking emotionally is what the media wants, it leaves you easily controlled. It’s very very effective. After all, who makes good decisions when they are angry?

mobadisThe point is you have to be able to separate the art from the artist. JK Rowling wrote books that have inspired and comforted millions yet she is blackballed from her own work, largely by fans of her series because she thinks women are women. The founding fathers, while products of their time, had incredible foresight into human nature and how that fit into creating the best, most fair system of government possible. Yes, they knew that they could not account for everything in the future, which is why we have the Amendment process. But to deny the importance of the second amendment, placed in its position and the most succinct for a reason, would be asinine. The first amendment is only backed up by the second.

qazwsxedc34If the constitution really mattered, US Inc officials would follow its statutary laws "amendments," which they have not for 150 years. It's all perception and power and always has been. As long as you don't use your first amendment to stop public office officials racketeering and corruption, your fine, but send too many emails and you'll be arrested and your kids will be taken by CPS.

JuviticusOkay you're getting sidetracked mate. There's no way to phrase school shootings in a way that isn't an impactful emotional headline. It will always be an impactful and emotional event just like the other things you mentioned. I would challenge you to rephrase what I said, “Children being slaughtered on a regular basis” to something that makes the same point and isn't impactful or emotionally effective. The point being that children are being shot in schools and that it's happening as often as it is.

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mobadisOur political system is a complete sham, you are correct there. Your direct experiences with the effects of that can however be mitigated by becoming self-sufficient and distancing yourself from large urban centers.

The blackpill is hard one to unswallow, but some part of my overdeveloped monkey frontal cortex longs for truth and meaning in this existence.

I am more concerned with the erasure and tainting of history. If our children suddenly woke up in a world that had never known freedom, one where the central founding principles of America had never existed/were actually evil and racist all along, how would they even know to try and fix the utterly broken system they would find themselves in? It’s an Orwellian wet dream, who controls the past controls the future, present controls the past and so on.

JuviticusBro we get it, you read 1984.

mobadis“US faced with unique issue of gun violence in schools”. Simple, neutral, yet pushes the correct notion that this is an issue that needs looking into.

It is much more complex than just “guns bad, no gun no problem”. That is what a media conglomerate motivated by ratings and given a narrative to push wants you to think.

mobadisHow about you focus on what I said directly to you instead of butting into a conversation that is frankly too honest for you.

mobadisThank GOD for 3D printing. Soon you will be able to DIY print everything yourself, including tricky bits like barrels. I’d love to see how the gun control stooges attack that one. They’d be admitting they believe information is dangerous, but sadly I think the population is too far gone to notice. “The good man on TV told me that guns are bad, and I believe him. Police will protect me”. (Uvalde moment).

DingoSeanI fail to see how this is a good thing... It just makes it easier for people who want to carry out nefarious acts to obtain guns...

JuviticusAight fair point with the quote I'll give you that. I'm interested by the fact that you accept this is a problem unique to America. What do you think is unique to America that is causing this to happen so often, if not the gun laws?

mobadisGun violence as a whole or school shootings specifically?

JuviticusAight fair point with the quote I'll give you that. I'm interested by the fact that you accept this is a problem unique to America. What do you think is unique to America that is causing this to happen so often, if not the gun laws?

Abomber22Hick morherfuckers who believe a 50 round drum magazine shotgun is their right, not the law, the hick

Abomber22Hick morherfuckers who believe a 50 round drum magazine shotgun is their right, not the law, the hick

mobadisSHALL NOT BE INFRINGED

mobadisYou AUTOMATICALLY assume wanting/obtaining a gun = intending to commit nefarious acts. Your conditioning is showing. How about you YOURSELF go look up the percentages and types of weapons used in most crimes and come back to me. I think you’ll be surprised.

JuviticusI'm referring to school shootings. Gun violence as a whole is more common in America compared to CAN or UK sure but it's definitely not a uniquely American problem

DingoSeanMy Assumption doesnt even matter here...

We don't allow people to make their own prescription drugs for a reason... why should we allow people to do it with guns?



3D printed guns are especially scary because its an avenue for felons and criminals to more easily obtain firearms as it bypasses any background or security checks.

mobadisI personally believe the root cause of school shootings to be the highly, highly atomized social lives of our adolescents. The vast majority of school shooters are extremely young, usually just out of high school and more often than not, target their own school. This should be very alarming, that the place society appoints to nurture and shape our kids are the targets of their wrath and fury.

Of course it cannot all be blamed on “bullying”, as plenty of kids are bullied and do not go on rampages, but I think this point specifically has been eroded by the degradation of family structures along with the explosive rise in usage of antidepressants and social media. It’s a thousand little things that have pushed this into being a problem.

It is far harder to wallow in loneliness and anger to the point of massacring your classmates if you have both parents around, able to notice what’s going on with their child. Notably, almost all school shooters had single parents/no parents at all. People are also having FAR fewer children as well, so no siblings to shoot the shit with at home if the kids at school are dicks.

Antidepressants should be self-explanatory, drugging up our most unstable kids is not the brightest idea. Especially on drugs that are infamous for destroying emotional capacity.

Social Media is interesting, as it amplifies everything else. One can find a “family” online if it is missing IRL. The algorithm is disgustingly efficient at it. Whether it be Vegan pages, Communist activists, The Trans pipeline, Alt-Righters, Antinatalists, Sinophiles, furries, incels, etc etc. This further atomizes the individual and shrinks their worldview until the only thing they know is what their little pocket of the algorithm has cut out for them.

School shootings are also a uniquely modern problem, they were virtually nonexistent before the 90s. Guns have existed since the birth of the USA, yet the problem of school shootings has not. I would argue the fact that the widespread use of antidepressants, the degradation of the family structure, and social media was introduced in the modern age to be indicative.

This also doesn’t even get into the MASSIVE issue of the stigma behind mental health and asking for help. That is arguably as big or bigger of a cause than everything I listed.

I also accept that the ease of which you can acquire a gun does contribute to the prevalence of school shootings, but again I think that this is a very uniquely modern problem that does not warrant the huge violations of freedom that is desired by those who seek to benefit from their occurrences.

JuviticusHere's the thing man, everything you just listed exists in every other first world country. I know a lot of people that don't have an atomic family, don't have support for their mental health in any way, don't have peers to share their feelings with. All those things you listed are not uniquely American and exist throughout developed nations like CAN or UK. So why are school shootings so uniquely frequent in America if not the unique gun laws?

mobadisHaha well I was afraid we’d get here to this tired point, but I’ll just give it to you straight. The US is unique in the world. It is the world leader of both culture and politics, especially in the Western world. (Why tf are people in Germany posting black squares for G. Floyd???).

So for all the countries you are referring to as not having this problem (Western, democratized, developed nations), they follow the US’s lead. Well they’ve taken a certain US group’s message to the extreme, essentially turning their countries into disarmed police states. The US, with no leader to imitate, hasn’t given up its arms yet. This unique geopolitical situation will of course bring unique problems. School shootings are one of them. So you are right in a way, the US’s refusal to give up its arms has contributed to the problem of school shootings. This doesn’t mean it’s the sole reason, which is what you seem to be fixated on.



I stress once more, dealing with a uniquely modern, novel problem such as this DOES NOT warrant treading over the basic principles our democracy is founded on. In a way, if we do give these up, that’s it. The right of an individual to bear arms to protect himself will be a concept gone to history.

JuviticusAren't we the embodiment of American exeptionalism lmao. Look I don't think guns are the ONLY issue I think they're the MOST IMPORTANT one in regards to school shootings. Also I understand that the US is in a unique geopolitical situation but I feel like it's not one to be proud of if it's one where it's this easy to inflict mass casualties on minors. Especially since other equally as democratic geopolitical powers don't seem to have this problem.

Abomber22*School shootings are also a uniquely modern problem, they were virtually nonexistent before the 90s. Guns have existed since the birth of the USA, yet the problem of school shootings has not. I would argue the fact that the widespread use of antidepressants, the degradation of the family structure, and social media was introduced in the modern age to be indicative.*

I was with you until this^^^^ yes, back in the day we never had shootings, and yes, we've had guns but NOT THE FUCKING SEMI MACHINE GUNS WITH TWO 30 ROUND MAGS TAPED TOGETHER that we pretend we need to prove we have the right to own a FUCKING SEMI AUTOMATIC MACHINE GUN

mobadisHaha you are a walking meme buddy.

Semi automatic machine gun? HAHAHAHAHAHA how do I know you’ve never held a gun in your life.

How about you go read the story about the dude in Norway who went Assassins creed and killed 5 people with a fucking bow and arrow. Why did he need a fully semi automatic compound bow? That’s a weapon of war. We should only be allowed to buy sensible bows made of yew. Why do you need a high capacity quiver huh? BAN ASSAULT BOWS NOW.

Im not even gonna entertain your mentally challenged ass any longer.

mobadisWell at this point it is splitting hairs with regards to the lions share of the issue, but I think you are slipping back into arguing emotionally. If you looked at what percentage of gun violence school shootings make up, it is a tiny percentage. It’s an extremely novel problem that is given outsized coverage by the media because they are EXTREMELY emotionally effective, boost ratings, and are useful for pushing gun control agendas.


Also I don’t think you understood what I meant when I said the US will be faced with unique problems. Of course school shootings are nothing to be proud of, but given the US’s unique position as leader of culture, problems that other countries don’t face (they are essentially filtered out) are present here. So I am agreeing with you that yes, other equally democratic nations do not face this issue, but it is due to their nature of following the US, and more specifically, those who vehemently oppose the 2nd amendment.

Yes, it is a problem that needs resolving, but I do not think it is worth giving up our arms for. Again, if we do that then the idea of the right to personal protection is essentially gone.

The entire problem is summarized quite well in the Ben Franklin quote, “those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety”. The western countries you point to as successful have long since given up their liberty, the question is, will we do the same?

Abomber22you’ve never held a gun in your life.

Didn't want to bother with and I'm a gun owner... hunter since 12....shot up old refrigerator with semi auto AK.... so I understand it's not* hold the trigger and spit out 30 in one pull* ... however the technology is there and obtainable, file pins, fine tune trigger pull until it's a feather, ..,
....the point is, there's shit that could be done to MITIGATE damage.... just sos you badasses can still hunt with your silly black gun

JuviticusWhat percentage school shootings make up of gun violence isn't the point, the point is that it happens way more in America than anywhere else. And bro, they're not gonna take away your right to defend yourself. Self defense laws exist in every first world nation. Also im gonna tell you right now that America is not a "leader of culture" except for maybe McDonald's. Your country is the butt of every geopolitical joke in the last half decade solely because of this strange "greater than thou" mentality. I'm going to happily live my entire life in what you deem a police state, thoroughly enjoying not worring about my future kids getting executed in a classroom. Enjoy the next election man, your country is screwed either way

mobadisOh wow you looked up more shit and then inadvertently supported an argument against gun control. If it so available and easy to ILLEGALLY convert semiauto to fullauto, why the fuck are civilians buying fullautos (actual machine gun) banned? It doesn’t do anything to the criminal who just buys semi and then illegally converts.

Nobody who’s ever held a gun let alone read about one for longer than a couple hours calls something a “fully semi automatic machine gun”. It’s a literal paradox. Machine gun =/ semi automatic.

please look up more shit so you can look like an idiot it’s hilarious I actually love engaging with you

mobadisWe don’t allow people to make their own prescription drugs because Big Pharma has consistently lobbied the US Govt for over 100 years and they are the definition of a revolving door industry.

3D guns are not a problem for criminal ease of access because guess what, if they wanted the gun that bad they’d meet Pablo in the alley behind the pawn shop and buy the gun from him, then throw it in the river when he’s done. He’s not gonna sit at his computer for 12 hours downloading files and waiting for the damn thing to print, while rereading the manual on how to put it together so it doesn’t go boom in your face. It goes back to the age old argument, do criminals really follow the law?

Abomber22point is there's shit can be done...fuck semantics and my faux pas

mobadisEmotional emotional Haha. Pure cope that America is not the leader of culture. What’s the last great movie out of the EU? Haha they don’t fucking exist. Hollywood is king. Forget what website you’re on? What social media platforms you use? Maybe the brands you are wearing. Hahaha.

I hope the eternal peace never ends. Also don’t look too closely into who funds and trains your military, if you even have one. There might be a little too much McDonald’s for you to handle. I know I wouldn’t want to be your kid when the nice government men with guns come knocking for men in the Chinese theater. Not much choice left for lil Johnny now is there.

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mobadisYea get the kids off the phones, I’d straight up ban em at school. Get them to talk to each other and develop social connections. Make team sports/group activities/clubs/whatever mandatory so kids cannot just slip through the cracks. Private schools already do this because they know it’s effective at promoting social cohesion and friendships. Stop doping kids up with shit thatd make a heroin junkie shudder at the age when they aren’t even allowed to drive yet. Deal with single parenthood (way bigger issue). If you fixed all that and then made it harder to buy a gun right at 18 you would solve the problem entirely.

I don’t know why everyone wants to ignore the root issue, these kids are FUCKED UP and need help. Everything in America, literally everything pushes them towards this school shooting shit instead of getting help. Untold millions more cope with self harm, drug abuse, suicide, etc. If we deal with the root issue we don’t have to get caught up with groups that have outside agendas.

DingoSeanNo, we dont allow people to make their own prescription drugs because last time we did that people were mixing radioactive materials or widely available opiates like laudanum into shit and fucking going blind or even dying from it. Mass marketing of government-approved synthetic drugs didn't really come along until the middle of the century after the FDA was well established.
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I know what youre saying... the tired ass line 'criminals will always be able to get guns, because if they want one they'll get one'
This does not mean we should just make it easier for them than it already is...

3D printed guns will make it easier for anyone to obtain a firearm without a criminal or mental background check. That isn't responsible gun ownership. At all. Making it easier for criminals to get guns without even having to do crimes to get them? that's a win-win for criminals...

We should at least force gun stores to hire better security or something - because they often get hit more often than anywhere else... leading to a massive amount of illegal, untraceable firearms that criminals can use at a whim.

r00kieThis thread sucks. Anyone want to talk about how the cops stood outside for an hour before they went in?

mobadisI don’t know if you intentionally changed what I wrote, but that is neither here nor there. “Do criminals really follow the law?”

I think you are trying to say, 3D guns just allow anyone to get a gun easier, including criminals. This is objectively true. If all you need to get a gun is a 3D printer (or a friend with one), it is far more accessible than going to the gun store and doing paperwork etc etc.

The problem is that this is irrelevant to the issue. You can call the point tired but it is true. Criminals will always exist. They will find a way to commit crimes whether you ban them or not. They don’t follow the laws. This includes guns. This includes drugs. Abortions too. Heard of prohibition? 3D guns simply allows everyone else to take part in what previously only criminals would do. I’d much rather be a criminal in Los Angeles than Chicago, if you get what I mean.

r00kieThis thread sucks. Anyone want to talk about how the cops stood outside for an hour before they went in?

freestyler540Or how about the state pulled 210million funding from the texas mental health system to fund an anti-immigrant operation (operation lone star) last year.
Then the governor had the balls to blame mental health for shootings during the conference. Once Beto O’Rouke was removed by security after protesting, Abott called him a “sick son of a bitch” while the escort. Beto was making the lawmakers account for their incompetence, indifference and their lack of a soul. Basically, cancelled for being a voiceful opposition. You know, democracy

DingoSeanMy Assumption doesnt even matter here...

We don't allow people to make their own prescription drugs for a reason... why should we allow people to do it with guns?



3D printed guns are especially scary because its an avenue for felons and criminals to more easily obtain firearms as it bypasses any background or security checks.

yungonaY’all see he made rape and death threats on social media? I be calling girls fat in Xbox live parties sometimes.

Turd__AuthorityMy point is that the solutions that people are making sound like it will solve everything, simply won't.

prettygoodSo unless no one comes up with a gun law that solves all gun related issues once and forever, there's no point in even trying?

Of course your issues will continue for a number of years, considering how many guns are around. Closing down will take time. Columbine massacre was the turning point the US seems to have missed, catching up will take a while, and of course it's gonna hurt because of how many more kids will die until the problem is under control.

prettygoodSo unless no one comes up with a gun law that solves all gun related issues once and forever, there's no point in even trying?

Of course your issues will continue for a number of years, considering how many guns are around. Closing down will take time. Columbine massacre was the turning point the US seems to have missed, catching up will take a while, and of course it's gonna hurt because of how many more kids will die until the problem is under control.

prettygoodwatching this from Europe is weird man.



Can someone explain to me why you don't need to have a license to purchase a firearm?

Why there is no background check if you want to apply for that license?

What's the need for an assault weapon? You can neither hunt with them, nor use them for sports shooting, right?

Why is there no need to have a liability insurance, if you own a gun?

Why don't you need proof that you can guarantee proper storage of weapons and ammunition?