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huey69
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What makes a difference between posting clips to show your homies and get your name out there, and being a tom wallish pro influencer kid? Like Sleepy Grill vs like Karko or Votaw. All 3 of them post frequently but karko and votaw just give off a clout chasing vibe. Is it possible to consistantly post to get your name out there and take advantage of the spotlight social media can give you with out being flamed for being an influencer kid?
Apr 27 2022 12:03PM
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Dlonetti
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This is an interesting question and I first wanna say that I personally follow and enjoy sleepy, karko, and Votaw. Karko and votaw definitely have different styles of posting than someone like sleepy or say like cal carson. I think it all stems from the idea of stacking clips for an edit vs just posting clips you got that day/weekend. Some people like to post consistently, others lay low and then drop a banger edit outta nowhere. I dont really have an inherent problem with either of them, but some may view one of those as more "core" than the other. Theyre all better than me so who am I to say.

And I could never call Karo a clout chaser dude just loves skiing and I respect the hell out of that.
Apr 27 2022 12:13PM
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Jems
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All the dudes you listed are all kind of different in how they use instagram. Luke is probably the only stereotypical “clout chaser” because he’s flexing designer clothing in his videos.

- Sleepy grill has multiple street parts and is part of buldoz which is a highly respected crew. Posts clips like everyone else.

- Luke votaw is a talented comp jock esque skier who uses instagram to market himself instead of building himself up a following by hitting street for example.

- Karko isn’t on either of these dudes levels i think he just seems to be doing his own thing and posting every single clip he gets on his gram. Also hits street more than the average person but doesn’t save the clips???? like man what are you doing.
Apr 27 2022 12:19PM
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Dlonetti
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JemsAll the dudes you listed are all kind of different in how they use instagram. Luke is probably the only stereotypical “clout chaser” because he’s flexing designer clothing in his videos.

- Sleepy grill has multiple street parts and is part of buldoz which is a highly respected crew. Posts clips like everyone else.

- Luke votaw is a talented comp jock esque skier who uses instagram to market himself instead of building himself up a following by hitting street for example.

- Karko isn’t on either of these dudes levels i think he just seems to be doing his own thing and posting every single clip he gets on his gram. Also hits street more than the average person but doesn’t save the clips???? like man what are you doing.


Karko is an enigma to me. If he stacked all the street clips he got in a year and actually made a decent edit I feel like it would get a lot of love. But he just goes straight to the gram with everything idk. Super nice dude tho and hes got a great trick bag. Is he on ns?
Apr 27 2022 12:55PM
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mikemac
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All three of these dudes r ripping skiers

i think the stylistic differences come down age and skiing niche

EZ is a Harlaut inspired millenial… his clips speak for themselves he goes viral across all platforms like every other week. He’s also got segments w buldoz & tons of other euro crews, he’s got big sponsors like Oakley and haurlat apparel… he doesn’t NEED to promote, his skiing, full segs, and insta clips speak for themselves. IMO he’s already made it into the hall of fame and will be around for a long time.

Votaw is a comp jock/academy kid…. His tricks, style, and content all reflect that. He’s a young up and comer on the traditional comp circuits - he’s skiing parks and courses w the rest of those kids and tryna run up their clips from training - to me I definitely get Gen-Z TikTok vibes from some of those quicker cuts & reels. As dope as some of that content is I much prefer segments with a little more artistry and story telling. Not to put down the skiing at all the next gen comp skiers are out of this world rn.

Karko is a self-taught east coast park rat/skateboarder using IG as a main platform to make himself known. Not being a comp jock or academy kid (far as I can tell) he’s showcasing his raw talent the only way he can - using a free platform that is visible to the entire world, and promoting himself. And it’s working… How else would I even know about a random unsponsored skier at whiteface NY? people love his creative style and even though he does get tech AF his content is relatable. Yeah he posts a lot but it’s well received bc it’s just the vibes of cruising the local hill goofing off with the crew.
Apr 27 2022 1:16PM
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huey69
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Im not down playing any of these skiers, they are all increble. But what gives them the right to post all the time verses someone who isn't as big as them getting flamed for doing the same thing as them? I just saw a thread about instagram reel tom wallish pro kids and it just made me wonder whats the differnce? Everyone's just trying to get themselves out there, yet some people are flamed for it and some people are praised.
Apr 27 2022 1:52PM
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mikemac
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Oops you said sleepy not EZ. I think it still kind of applies tho
Apr 27 2022 1:59PM
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Professor-Modelo
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that A-Doobs bitch is a clout chaser who follows and unfollows kids on IG like a weirdo
Apr 27 2022 3:20PM
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Skiglizzy659
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Karko is one of my favorite follows. All it is are clips for him skiing and hyping up the homies. He’s not trying to get clout by posting other stuff just straight up dope skiing and none of the other bs. Sleepy is also dope in that sense except his buldoz parts are a great way to watch his skiing in a proper film but can also watch what he’s doing all year long in insta. Both are 2 of my favorite skiers to follow.
Apr 27 2022 3:31PM
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Jems
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Professor-Modelothat A-Doobs bitch is a clout chaser who follows and unfollows kids on IG like a weirdo


adoobs is a certified not cool guy
Apr 27 2022 3:50PM
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eheath
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Y'all youngins think about weird shit
Apr 27 2022 4:09PM
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weastcoat
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eheathY'all youngins think about weird shit


As #1 bitcher about clout chaser you can thank me for this thread
Apr 27 2022 6:38PM
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Farmville420
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honestly posting on IG is always clout chasing, it’s been around forever except nowadays it’s like a big no-no to promote yourself. Remember back in the day when kids would drop “sponsor me” edits, a lot of those dudes are considered cool and non clout chasing today, but they built their platform doing corny stuff like that back in the day, It’s part of the grind IMO

Most ppl hating are just jealous that kids who care about blowing up are succeeding. Everyone knows the formula, some are just more dedicated than others to making a name for themselves
Apr 27 2022 8:03PM
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Farmville420
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Before someone @‘s me, when I say succeeding I just mean getting followers and gaining a larger audience

But yeah if you post anything ever you are feeding a superego, nothin wrong with it, but if you truly only cared the art you would never post tricks on the gram.

The reality is, skiing is a lot of our crafts, we obsess over this shit, we work over it, we ALL have a desire to showcase that to the world, and let’s be honest, we would all love if more eyes were lain on our hard work.
Apr 27 2022 8:08PM
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mikemac
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Farmville420honestly posting on IG is always clout chasing, it’s been around forever except nowadays it’s like a big no-no to promote yourself. Remember back in the day when kids would drop “sponsor me” edits, a lot of those dudes are considered cool and non clout chasing today, but they built their platform doing corny stuff like that back in the day, It’s part of the grind IMO

Most ppl hating are just jealous that kids who care about blowing up are succeeding. Everyone knows the formula, some are just more dedicated than others to making a name for themselves


I mean squeaky wheel gets the grease…. Very few people have made it as pro skiers without a TON of self promotion, on social, on YouTube and NS before IG was a thing….

Even the prodigies like Thall and harlaut STILL had to self promote

even before the internet age you still had to line up your photo video guys, submit to the mags, make “sponsor me” videos and ask to get invited to shoots and comps.

Honestly it’s skiings skeleton in the closet…. You kind of have to be a self absorbed narcissist to make it… it’s part of the industry. There are hundreds of DOPE skiers from over the years who never made it to that next level bc they just didn’t give a fuck about self promotion, content, or the “business” stuff.
Apr 27 2022 8:45PM
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jprene8
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mikemacI mean squeaky wheel gets the grease…. Very few people have made it as pro skiers without a TON of self promotion, on social, on YouTube and NS before IG was a thing….

Even the prodigies like Thall and harlaut STILL had to self promote

even before the internet age you still had to line up your photo video guys, submit to the mags, make “sponsor me” videos and ask to get invited to shoots and comps.

Honestly it’s skiings skeleton in the closet…. You kind of have to be a self absorbed narcissist to make it… it’s part of the industry. There are hundreds of DOPE skiers from over the years who never made it to that next level bc they just didn’t give a fuck about self promotion, content, or the “business” stuff.

Building off of this this thread and comment in particular are just applicable to the wider action sports community as a whole as well.
Apr 27 2022 9:21PM
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Kyguyy
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No more posting any kind of ski content do not wanna get mistaken for clout chasing
Apr 27 2022 10:42PM
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CaIeb
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NSers is turns to cancer once the season ends. literally who cares about whether these people are “clout chasing” or not, chances are they’re proud of what they do and like to share their days with their followers. these threads are so redundant and stupid🫥
Apr 28 2022 12:07AM
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theabortionator
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I don't know the others but Karkoski just really likes to ski.

Idk i get some people like posting more than others but if you feel like posting, like a trick or rail you hit, and people want to see it? Why not.

I dig seeing him hit some of the different rails in the area and most of the clips are whiteface. Gore, and other mtn in the area.

Idk I dig it.

If i wasn't so shitty at snowboarding, and def skiing at this point I'd probably post more.

If you're stacking days on the hill, getting some tricks or lines, and feeling hype Idk what's wrong with sharing that.
Apr 28 2022 12:19AM
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VISHNU
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karko is my pal
Apr 28 2022 12:35AM
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switchlip2
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Professor-Modelothat A-Doobs bitch is a clout chaser who follows and unfollows kids on IG like a weirdo

It internally pisses me off he is better at skiing than me
Apr 28 2022 12:36AM
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huey69
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karko skis for clips
Apr 28 2022 12:54AM
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brennancorck
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huey69What makes a difference between posting clips to show your homies and get your name out there, and being a tom wallish pro influencer kid? Like Sleepy Grill vs like Karko or Votaw. All 3 of them post frequently but karko and votaw just give off a clout chasing vibe. Is it possible to consistantly post to get your name out there and take advantage of the spotlight social media can give you with out being flamed for being an influencer kid?


Just doing your thing, meeting people and making connections, and posting however much or little as you want it’s your own style and choice
Apr 28 2022 2:20AM
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lil.Boye
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honestly, the best thing is to not take it too serious, that's what i feel like sleepy grill and buldoz boys do, they just shred and film some tricks. it's not as tryhard as luke trying to spin his way into 2030 but ended up in a 2015 hypebeast meetup
Apr 28 2022 4:06AM
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Pilgore
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Just be yourself
Apr 28 2022 4:44AM
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skierman
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Here you have it, kids care more about social media than skiing.



And you wonder why you have a higher rate of depression and suicide, fucking idiots.
Apr 28 2022 7:45AM
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d5r
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As an absolute dogshit park skier, Karkoski was probably top 5 nicest dudes I’ve ever met skiing. He and his friends started a conversation at big snow with us about sewn pants and mismatched skis. Absolutely zero judgement the whole time we were there on the fact that we can barely ski compared to them. All the times I’ve talked to one of these so called “ski influencers” they seem beyond stoked to have the opportunities they’ve created and are just happy to be on hill.
Apr 28 2022 8:05AM
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Dlonetti
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People hated on this thread and called it redundant but I thought it was an interesting conversation and a lot of good points were made. The intersection of social media and skiing is just where we're at right now, and as a Gen Z'er experiencing it I enjoy talking with others who know whats going on
Apr 28 2022 9:40AM
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skierman
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DlonettiPeople hated on this thread and called it redundant but I thought it was an interesting conversation and a lot of good points were made. The intersection of social media and skiing is just where we're at right now, and as a Gen Z'er experiencing it I enjoy talking with others who know whats going on


Yeah because you're all vain shit mongers. Be proud.
Apr 28 2022 9:49AM
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PsychicMigration
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Farmville420honestly posting on IG is always clout chasing, it’s been around forever except nowadays it’s like a big no-no to promote yourself. Remember back in the day when kids would drop “sponsor me” edits, a lot of those dudes are considered cool and non clout chasing today, but they built their platform doing corny stuff like that back in the day, It’s part of the grind IMO

Most ppl hating are just jealous that kids who care about blowing up are succeeding. Everyone knows the formula, some are just more dedicated than others to making a name for themselves


I don't think Instagram is that bad honestly. you can watch longer clips which is cool and makes it easy on a phone and to gain outside audiences although using reels I thinks is kinda stupid cause then its just Tik Tok. That app is garbage for skiing. Zillion bot/repost accounts that just repost clips non stop so once you get to the actual level one account posting the authentic clip you've seen it 30 times. I personally think everyone should just stay away if you want to actually gain a solid following. That being said if people are gonna rip your clips for followers might as well post first so it's really hard to say what's better. I guess Tik Tok just reminds me of the Fagans and fuck those kids.
Apr 28 2022 9:58AM
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huey69
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no ones saying karkos not a cool person
Apr 28 2022 10:36AM
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Slunky
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Y’all weird af just go skiing and post clips for your homies lmao

if a brand sees and you get a free pair of skis sick

live and let live
Apr 28 2022 1:20PM
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Karkoskier
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going to OP's original questions here..

What makes a difference between posting clips to show your homies and get your name out there, and being a tom wallish pro influencer kid?

I guess by gaining a following of enough people who care about what you're doing?
Which happened to me by posting clips to show my homies and get my name out there. I don't consider myself an "influencer" my instagram profile to me is my personal blog of my life primarily centered around skiing with a side of other things that I think are cool.

I'm very thankful for the amount of people who follow me and enjoy the content I post. As a 28 year with a full time job it keeps me motivated to continuously progress my skiing and put out content. I honestly never pictured myself skiing the way I do still, and having so many people care about watching my ski videos so thank you to all of you who vibe with me and what I do!
Apr 28 2022 5:27PM
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Dlonetti
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Karkoskiergoing to OP's original questions here..

What makes a difference between posting clips to show your homies and get your name out there, and being a tom wallish pro influencer kid?

I guess by gaining a following of enough people who care about what you're doing?
Which happened to me by posting clips to show my homies and get my name out there. I don't consider myself an "influencer" my instagram profile to me is my personal blog of my life primarily centered around skiing with a side of other things that I think are cool.

I'm very thankful for the amount of people who follow me and enjoy the content I post. As a 28 year with a full time job it keeps me motivated to continuously progress my skiing and put out content. I honestly never pictured myself skiing the way I do still, and having so many people care about watching my ski videos so thank you to all of you who vibe with me and what I do!


You the man Karko! If I'm ever on the east coast im catching laps with you for sure
Apr 28 2022 5:34PM
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tutipups
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because people like karko wont upload just to get attention if karko was a clout chaser he would post the same ski clips during the summer
Apr 28 2022 6:11PM
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tutipups
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huey69karko skis for clips

bozo who the fuck even are you. You have 14 posts stfu
Apr 28 2022 6:15PM
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hank.ski
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huey69Im not down playing any of these skiers, they are all increble. But what gives them the right to post all the time verses someone who isn't as big as them getting flamed for doing the same thing as them? I just saw a thread about instagram reel tom wallish pro kids and it just made me wonder whats the differnce? Everyone's just trying to get themselves out there, yet some people are flamed for it and some people are praised.

IMO anyone who is flaming other people for posting ski content at any frequency is probably just projecting insecurity about their own skills or confidence. Like the question in this thread kind of has the answer in it, which is that there isn't a difference, it's just about who is perceiving what you are creating.
Apr 28 2022 6:48PM
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Raf.Diaz.
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Yeah but please give karko an orange name
Apr 28 2022 7:01PM
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MaimHelp
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I just use Instagram for memes at this point. If I want to watch skiing it’s on YouTube, ns, or Vimeo.
Apr 28 2022 7:07PM
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nmwninjart
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I don't follow the other two so I have no comment on them. but Karkoski skis with all his soul. Dude justs Loves skiing. Alot.
Apr 28 2022 9:03PM
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ReturnToMonkey
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skiermanYeah because you're all vain shit mongers. Be proud.


I'm so proud to call myself a vain shit monger
Apr 28 2022 9:28PM
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Dlonetti
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nmwninjartI don't follow the other two so I have no comment on them. but Karkoski skis with all his soul. Dude justs Loves skiing. Alot.

A good way to describe him
Apr 28 2022 9:57PM
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BLandz
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I always bitch about IG skiers because I personally think a 2-5 min edit has way more potential for self expression and if you’re sick enough to drop clips every couple days than you can easily stack the best ones and make a real edit that is atronomically better than the individual IG vids you make. You can still post shit on IG, but at least stack the best shit and make a legit video. Otherwise you’re making videos for followers on IG and not for the sake of making the best ski video you can make.


Heres another huge point. 95% of the kids at my local think that they are into skiing, But my homie bought V’s last szn and none of these self proclaimed skiers knew what Vishnu was, but they follow guys like Toph on IG (that wasnt a diss, just an example). My point is, kids like that is what makes up a big % of the ppl that follow these IG skiers. These dudes are clout chasing for kids that arent even core riders. Id rather have 1000 kids watch my shit on NS that are die hard skiers than have kids like the homie at my local who doesnt even know who Andrew Egan or oski are.
Apr 28 2022 11:16PM
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BLandz
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I also have to mention idgaf if you are an ig skier. If you care about wanting followers more than making a real edit, thats ur decision. I don’t judge ppl for that. Just not what im into
Apr 28 2022 11:17PM
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weastcoat
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BLandzI also have to mention idgaf if you are an ig skier. If you care about wanting followers more than making a real edit, thats ur decision. I don’t judge ppl for that. Just not what im into


I might judge people for it. Sad to see people falsely represent skiing in a way and lose the sight in mind… to have fun. and if you want, make art. That’s what edits truly are.


instead of wanting followers just so mfs can try to make their new tinder match from the sorority start dripping in their panties just because you sent em your gram handle and they saw you have 6,000 followers and your last video got 15,000 views.


so wack.
Apr 28 2022 11:35PM
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huey69
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tutipupsbozo who the fuck even are you. You have 14 posts stfu


probably cuz i don’t sit on a computer all day and talk shit on ns. i actually go skiing and i post when i wanna discuss some shit which isn’t a lot bc i think skiing is at a good state rn.
Apr 28 2022 11:39PM
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huey69
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hank.skiIMO anyone who is flaming other people for posting ski content at any frequency is probably just projecting insecurity about their own skills or confidence. Like the question in this thread kind of has the answer in it, which is that there isn't a difference, it's just about who is perceiving what you are creating.


Im not flaming anyone I am confident in myself. I was just asking what separates a clout chaser and someone that posts frequently. Everyone took this shit the wrong way.
Apr 28 2022 11:40PM
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hank.ski
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huey69Im not flaming anyone I am confident in myself. I was just asking what separates a clout chaser and someone that posts frequently. Everyone took this shit the wrong way.


I'm telling you my guy, what separates them is your perception of them.
Apr 29 2022 2:55AM
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tutipups
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huey69probably cuz i don’t sit on a computer all day and talk shit on ns. i actually go skiing and i post when i wanna discuss some shit which isn’t a lot bc i think skiing is at a good state rn.

so uh this post isnt you talking shit?
Apr 29 2022 9:15AM
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Dlonetti
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huey69Im not flaming anyone I am confident in myself. I was just asking what separates a clout chaser and someone that posts frequently. Everyone took this shit the wrong way.


Lol yeah as the first person who responded to this thread I saw your question, but didnt really answer it. More just started talking about how different skiers use instagram in general. But Karko isnt a clout chaser and doesnt ski for clips, dude skis because he loves it
Apr 29 2022 9:36AM
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huey69
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tutipupsso uh this post isnt you talking shit?


nah
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