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CrunnchyPissFartDef heading in somewhat of a good direction? Like I see the intention is good but then it comes down to the simple fact that trans men are men and trans women are women
SchizoSkierHank Stowers is…
IsaacNW82People who advocate for trans athletes aren't living in a fictional fairy tale like people like people say btw. Nobody is arguing that hormone levels don't matter, and it is explicitly stated in basically every sport that allows trans athletes, that hormone levels for trans women must be significantly reduced for period of time to compete in the women's category. The FWT is no exception.
Whether this goes far enough to ensure fair competition is a hot debate. Decades of testosterone can give an advantage but on the other hand it is common for cis women to have more testosterone than allowed for trans women anyway. So then you get dragged into a debate about other biological advantages, which basically all high-level athletes possess due to luck.
Speaking of which, keep in mind trans people don't choose to be trans. They destroy their relationships with family, friends, hinder job growth, etc because it is really important to them to be who they feel they are. I simply do not believe anybody out there is taking hormone suppressants and pretending (and likely completely ruining their personal lives) to be a trans women just so they can win competitions. IF (and this is a big if) anybody did, that I would be staunchly against it.
Yea, there's room to debate how we make competition fair for both cis women and trans women, but how tf am I supposed to debate with people just screaming nonsense about "they changed to win", "trans people are mentally ill", and with zero knowledge on what the regulations right now are anyways.
GloryHoleGaryI honestly can’t believe this is even a debate. The fact that there are people out there like yourself who literally believe the words that just came out of your mouth is absolute lunacy.
you got dick and balls you’re a dude.
you got a pussy you’re a chick.
end of story.
cannot believe this has to be explained and argued. It’s absolutely asinine.
jprene8I get the debate there are differences between biological men and women, especially with someone early in their transition before their body has changed much. People on both sides have made good arguments as well. But can we not be blatantly transphobic though. Like you can have this debate without some of us just totally shitting on the existence of trans folk. Of course you’re entitled to your opinion but the thread “is NS to toxic” was made for a reason some of the comments in here are part of the reason why this site has the reputation of being toxic and why some newer/younger members can be afraid to post. You can have and state your opinion but be mindful that just cause you can say what you want doesn’t mean that doesn’t carry a consequence or reaction with it.
gilbert_grapeWilliam Thomas ranked 462nd in mens swimming leagues.
Lia Thomas ranked 1st in women's swimming leagues.
If you wont accept that men are physically dominant to females then you're ignoring reality. This is tough for the mentally deficient groups that support this stuff because where is feminism now? You've got a man beating out women in a women's only competition, but anything to not be transphobic!!!
jerzy42He was ranked 462 out of 3,800 NCAA Division 1 swimmers, meaning he ranked top 12%
He was ranked within the top 3% of all NCAA divisions.
Of course there are advantages, but there are also disadvantages. Especially in swimming, that is why you didn't see lia win every race. The NCAA has had 30yrs of trans athletes competing, don't you think we would see more trans winners if they were as "physically dominating" as you imply?
Also would like to point out that feminism is extended to trans women, after all they are women.
**This post was edited on Mar 22nd 2022 at 1:33:05pm
skiermanOOOOOH SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY, YOU INSUFFERABLE PIECE OF SHIT.
Christian_BalePoint taken but they're not dudes.
Jemslol this thread just outs every retarded transphobic conservative and unrealistic retarded liberal
gilbert_grapeand here sits James, a perfect being sitting in the middle of all chaos, simply observing and laughing from his protected, centrist bubble. SUCK MY DICK U LITTLE CHODE!!!!!
DummyBearsIf agreeing with him makes me transphobic fuck it, at least I have an ounce of common sense compared to these people that think this is kind of thing is ok.
BiffbarfYou'd only truly believe this if you'd date a trans woman.
maxpleasure420Yes they are dumbass.. they were born with a dick.. that means they are a male. Chop the dick off.. guess what still a fucking male!!
jps2.0its honestly just not a issue
name a single male skier thats switched sides..
it's just a common far right outrage type thing
-eREKTion-This is what I kind of have a problem with. I'm not far right, I'm not even remotely near the right but I think that trans women shouldn't be allowed to compete against afab athletes. It's not far right to think that, it's not transphobic, I'm not a terf; that's a totally understandable and justifiable stance to take on this issue.
-eREKTion-This is what I kind of have a problem with. I'm not far right, I'm not even remotely near the right but I think that trans women shouldn't be allowed to compete against afab athletes. It's not far right to think that, it's not transphobic, I'm not a terf; that's a totally understandable and justifiable stance to take on this issue.
Christian_Baleyou sound mad. Does someone's identity really affect your life in any way? let people do what they want
BiffbarfYou'd only truly believe this if you'd date a trans woman.
CrunnchyPissFartPrecisely mf
maxpleasure420You are the problem with world.. If you think it's ok for a man to chop off his penis and then go compete against women and win and claim "it" is the fastest "women" in the race you are delusional.
-eREKTion-This is what I kind of have a problem with. I'm not far right, I'm not even remotely near the right but I think that trans women shouldn't be allowed to compete against afab athletes. It's not far right to think that, it's not transphobic, I'm not a terf; that's a totally understandable and justifiable stance to take on this issue.
Christian_BaleDude I said absolutely nothing about competing.
It's easy to say I'm the problem with the world when u don't know me. It's easy to talk shit on the internet. I disagree with u about trans people being valid but I don't claim that you're the problem with the world
Christian_BaleI pretty much agree and I think we should have a normal discussion about this topic but some people in this thread are saying some transphobic shit
maxpleasure420LOL I'd happily tell you the same thing to your face. and then if you talked shit back I'd probably feed you your teeth.
BiffbarfIdk call me old fashioned but I like my women sans cock and balls. 2022 is a wild time to be alive.
Icant_kfedI’m sorry but if you have a Y chromosome your a male. You can’t just wake up and change your anatomy
CrunnchyPissFartThis is the dumbest shit and not even worth coming up with a witty reply
IsaacNW82Gender =/= sex. The vast majority of biologists, doctors, psychologists, and social scientists all agree about that distinction.
BiffbarfThis is fine if you completely throw away that most people consinder females women and males men. People who spout off 'trans women are women' want to change it but it's such an anomaly it's asinine to expect the majority to adopt their nomenclature instead of the other way around.
IsaacNW82Well, not really. 40% of Americans think an individual can decide their gender even if it's not what was assigned at birth and 38% disagree.
BiffbarfYour statistics don't account for the fact that people think male when they thing about men and females when they think about women. My point has nothing to do with whether or not people aknowledge that gender is a spectrum.
BiffbarfYour statistics don't account for the fact that people think male when they thing about men and females when they think about women. My point has nothing to do with whether or not people aknowledge that gender is a spectrum.
IsaacNW82That stat isn't about gender being a spectrum either...
I'm saying roughly half of people in America think somebody born as male (sex) who identifies as a women (gender) should be recognized socially as a woman (gender). That is what "trans women are women" means.
BiffbarfIt's cuz you got nothing fam
CrunnchyPissFartYea bro, I do got nothing, Im literally queer and have no damn reason to explain it to you or validate it with you. Take a trip out ur hometown bud
BiffbarfNothin wrong with that g. Just don't expect straight males to be down with trans women like they're female (or, this is controversial to say, regular women)
BiffbarfNothin wrong with that g. Just don't expect straight males to be down with trans women like they're female (or, this is controversial to say, regular women)
GrandThingsFor the record, I am a straight man who has no problem calling trans women women so I think this is a you thing player
GrandThingsFor the record, I am a straight man who has no problem calling trans women women so I think this is a you thing player
BiffbarfThe irony that you have to specify calling trans women women is my whole point here.
skiermanNah man, if you don't agree with 100% of their demands, you're a transphobe and a horrible person. Didn't you get the memo in the latest weekly update of "LGBTQQIP2SAA" magazine? I mean like, its not hard to keep up!
And no, I'm not kidding. That's now the NEW acronym. LGBTQQIP2SAA
Yup.... talk about letting the patients run the nut house.
