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Accidental slightly corked 360?

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tominiemenmaa
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Hi there.

Did I just accidentally cork my 360? Been wanting to try a cork for a while now but haven't found the balls to actually commit.

Today my left rotations were on a funky axis by accident -> was this a slight cork or not? Surprised me how comfortable I was with the axis and hoping this would be a starting point towards corks.

The jump is way too tiny to get proper gorilla 3's tho.

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/1036053/trim-1831979F-9911-42FD-892E-B5615A3D6587-MOV
Mar 13 2022 6:57AM
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MaimHelp
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Looks more like you scooped your legs and put your head down
Mar 13 2022 7:56AM
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Paul.
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Yeah its a start. Now carve it hard off the lip and dip the shoulder just a little more
Mar 13 2022 11:15AM
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BigmoneyMatt
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Slvsh would count it
Mar 13 2022 12:40PM
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mrk127
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I’d call that a wobble 360, give er some more carve on the takeoff and the cork will come
Mar 13 2022 5:55PM
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BigmoneyMatt
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mrk127I’d call that a wobble 360, give er some more carve on the takeoff and the cork will come


yo wobble 3 with downward shifty(idk wtf u call) damn thats got me creamin just thinking about it.
Mar 13 2022 8:50PM
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tominiemenmaa
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Thought I dropped the shoulder properly 😁
https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/1036160/trim-F4262D20-4DDA-431A-8D77-09CB09965AF3-MOV
Mar 14 2022 11:29AM
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BigmoneyMatt
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tominiemenmaaThought I dropped the shoulder properly 😁
https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/1036160/trim-F4262D20-4DDA-431A-8D77-09CB09965AF3-MOV


Closer but still. Its in the grey area.
Mar 14 2022 4:59PM
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weastcoat
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DeadBCloser but still. Its in the grey area.


It’s not even close to the gray area
Mar 15 2022 12:13AM
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dizzydizzy
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More commitment. I'd try the same set but try to touch your left hand on the lip of the jump right at the end, and stay compact while it loops around
tominiemenmaaThought I dropped the shoulder properly 😁
https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/1036160/trim-F4262D20-4DDA-431A-8D77-09CB09965AF3-MOV
Mar 15 2022 12:45AM
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tominiemenmaa
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Thanks. That's my conclusion as well. Hopefully can monetize it today!
dizzydizzyMore commitment. I'd try the same set but try to touch your left hand on the lip of the jump right at the end, and stay compact while it loops around
Mar 15 2022 1:09AM
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tominiemenmaa
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Feels like the set is right but just can't trust it and bring my head/shoulder down, but up instead. Trying to bring this to a bigger kicker tomorrow and hopefully get some help to the take-off from poppier and steeper lip.
https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/1036315/trim-391D72AA-C10A-4EC4-B99F-9773B231102B-MOV
Mar 15 2022 9:56AM
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SofaKingSick
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you're off to a great start. keep ripping em and dipping into it more and more. you'll get more and more comfy carving hard into it. doing a light hand drag can help too imo
Mar 15 2022 10:31AM
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dizzydizzy
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youre getting it bud! just keep leaning into it more and more. once in a while you'll get one thats closer to a full lincoln loop (simon dumont style) and then you can dial it back again to get it more tilted and less flippy. but the flippy/loop feel is also gonna make it superrr easy to do cork 5/underflip. poppier jumps help for sure, doesnt need to be much bigger than this one though...keep it up!
Mar 15 2022 12:29PM
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tominiemenmaa
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Took it to the big line. Actually quite surprised about how close (for me at least) it looks to being a proper cork 360. Thought it would look way more like a pencil spin.
https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/1036605/trim-F60DFB88-4CD0-4514-B04D-47B2845DFF33-MOV
Mar 17 2022 7:54AM
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SofaKingSick
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tominiemenmaaTook it to the big line. Actually quite surprised about how close (for me at least) it looks to being a proper cork 360. Thought it would look way more like a pencil spin.
https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/1036605/trim-F60DFB88-4CD0-4514-B04D-47B2845DFF33-MOV



lookin good man, keep at it and dipping more and more as you get more and more comfy with them. that's how i learned them and not to be a dick but eventually i had perfect ones

also side note, holy fucking shit that jump line looks amazing. look at all those dope options jeez
Mar 17 2022 9:36AM
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skierman
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Get your hips above or equal to your shoulders, you fucking kook. I wonder how many kids you've already bragged to about doing corked 3s. LOL
Mar 17 2022 10:04AM
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teabag
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tominiemenmaaTook it to the big line. Actually quite surprised about how close (for me at least) it looks to being a proper cork 360. Thought it would look way more like a pencil spin.
https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/1036605/trim-F60DFB88-4CD0-4514-B04D-47B2845DFF33-MOV

I recommend you try it on the second biggest jump. That’s the best one for learning corks and stuff imo.
Mar 17 2022 10:55AM
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tominiemenmaa
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Haven't even straight aired the biggest two yet, but that one sure does like proper. Steep and poppy but big enough to be kinda slow sender, the kicker on the vid is super springy and fast kicking.
teabagI recommend you try it on the second biggest jump. That’s the best one for learning corks and stuff imo.
Mar 17 2022 11:05AM
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tominiemenmaa
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Thanks. Yes, there's some secret sauce at Ruka setups.
SofaKingSicklookin good man, keep at it and dipping more and more as you get more and more comfy with them. that's how i learned them and not to be a dick but eventually i had perfect ones

also side note, holy fucking shit that jump line looks amazing. look at all those dope options jeez
Mar 17 2022 11:09AM
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teabag
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tominiemenmaaHaven't even straight aired the biggest two yet, but that one sure does like proper. Steep and poppy but big enough to be kinda slow sender, the kicker on the vid is super springy and fast kicking.

Yeah, the one you’re using doesn’t have very much height and the landing isn’t that steep which isn’t optimal for learning corks. Even the one right under that is better because the landing is so much steeper and it had more vertical. Progression looking super good btw!
Mar 17 2022 11:10AM
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pizzzel
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Those look sick. Keep it up.
Mar 17 2022 2:25PM
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roddy116
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Grab high safety and you will probably just kinda cork.
Mar 17 2022 2:42PM
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tominiemenmaa
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Thanks. You unfortunately probably have close to zero idea how stoked I, or anyone my age (started skiing park at 35, had a 20+ year break from skiing in general, now 38) or with a dad caliber survival instinct would be after achieving something like this 😁
teabagYeah, the one you’re using doesn’t have very much height and the landing isn’t that steep which isn’t optimal for learning corks. Even the one right under that is better because the landing is so much steeper and it had more vertical. Progression looking super good btw!

Thanks!
pizzzelThose look sick. Keep it up.

Thanks. Hopefully will try later today but have to chek out the conditions first as I've already skied for a week straight and it's gonna be super windy.
roddy116Grab high safety and you will probably just kinda cork.
Mar 18 2022 1:00AM
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iced
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grab safety infront of ur boot for fux sake
Mar 18 2022 1:03AM
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IHatePedophiles
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Nice
Mar 18 2022 1:04AM
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tominiemenmaa
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Fresh version upgrade. What do you think? Needs a bigger & steeper jump still, of course.

This is the second biggest kicker at the local and the biggest is unfortunately out of my comfort zone because the landing is way too gentle, always in shade & never painted so can't see shit on it, and most of the time the landing is also very icy.

Similar size than the medium line at Ruka or a tad smaller so size-wise it would be perfect for me.
https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/1067185/trim-8A8F85BF-7608-41C7-9DFE-836E49F1372C-MOV
Mar 16 2023 2:30PM
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skierman
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tominiemenmaaFresh version upgrade. What do you think? Needs a bigger & steeper jump still, of course.


No, you just need to learn how to spin off axis, you dumb fuck. Yeah, blame the jump for your inability to set the spin correctly.
Mar 16 2023 3:40PM
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SofaKingSick
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tominiemenmaaFresh version upgrade. What do you think? Needs a bigger & steeper jump still, of course.

This is the second biggest kicker at the local and the biggest is unfortunately out of my comfort zone because the landing is way too gentle, always in shade & never painted so can't see shit on it, and most of the time the landing is also very icy.

Similar size than the medium line at Ruka or a tad smaller so size-wise it would be perfect for me.
https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/1067185/trim-8A8F85BF-7608-41C7-9DFE-836E49F1372C-MOV


i think you're well on your way, you have the right general set and all. keep rippin em and leaning more and more into them, maybe even try a hand drag take off. also i'd say slow down the spin a little, i feel like you're rushing it a tiny bit more than you need to

but yeah keep going, keep dipping more and more. dip into the cork and get those skis up to the side to meet your hand for the grab
Mar 16 2023 4:09PM
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SteezyYeeter
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i think it's sick you're doing that at 39
Mar 16 2023 8:43PM
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STEEZUS_CHRI5T
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I'm at the same stage as you. Learning how it's supposed to feel and dipping that shoulder is a little weird when you're so used to standard 360's. Kind of have to forget everything you know because muscle memory takes over.
Mar 16 2023 9:17PM
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tominiemenmaa
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You should try skiing. It helps to let off some steam and inhale fresh zen air to replace all your negative vibes.
skiermanNo, you just need to learn how to spin off axis, you dumb fuck. Yeah, blame the jump for your inability to set the spin correctly.
Mar 17 2023 12:31AM
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tominiemenmaa
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That's my conclusion too, the carve is too aggressive and there's too much spin and too little flip/loop in the mix. Definitely something going on there tho. The spin feels so different than on carved threes, but somehow there's a weird comfort / natural feel in the axis too. Must be due to being able to see the landing practically the whole time.
SofaKingSicki think you're well on your way, you have the right general set and all. keep rippin em and leaning more and more into them, maybe even try a hand drag take off. also i'd say slow down the spin a little, i feel like you're rushing it a tiny bit more than you need to

but yeah keep going, keep dipping more and more. dip into the cork and get those skis up to the side to meet your hand for the grab

Thanks. You wouldn't believe how hyped I'm about my skiing in general, day in, day out! 😄 Actually got a few binding tickles but the camera was already packed at that point. For me, the grab is the most different feeling part of the trick comparing to normal threes. You need to grab more in front of you and less under you. You drop out of the axis if you grab normally and the trick becomes a carved 360. The grab needs to be grabbed like in a big 180 Safety, very different to my 360's and how I grab them.
SteezyYeeteri think it's sick you're doing that at 39

Different feel for sure. I actually still feel it's surprisingly similar feeling trick compared to aggressively carved threes without the flip/lincoln spice.
STEEZUS_CHRI5TI'm at the same stage as you. Learning how it's supposed to feel and dipping that shoulder is a little weird when you're so used to standard 360's. Kind of have to forget everything you know because muscle memory takes over.


All in all, I'm pretty sure things will click when I bring this set to a bigger & steeper jump.
Mar 17 2023 12:48AM
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SofaKingSick
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tominiemenmaaThat's my conclusion too, the carve is too aggressive and there's too much spin and too little flip/loop in the mix. Definitely something going on there tho. The spin feels so different than on carved threes, but somehow there's a weird comfort / natural feel in the axis too. Must be due to being able to see the landing practically the whole time.

Thanks. You wouldn't believe how hyped I'm about my skiing in general, day in, day out! 😄 Actually got a few binding tickles but the camera was already packed at that point. For me, the grab is the most different feeling part of the trick comparing to normal threes. You need to grab more in front of you and less under you. You drop out of the axis if you grab normally and the trick becomes a carved 360. The grab needs to be grabbed like in a big 180 Safety, very different to my 360's and how I grab them.

Different feel for sure. I actually still feel it's surprisingly similar feeling trick compared to aggressively carved threes without the flip/lincoln spice.


All in all, I'm pretty sure things will click when I bring this set to a bigger & steeper jump.


exactly dude, you got it. keep ripping em and yeah if you can take em to a bigger steeper jump that'll be ideal. it's a great "big jump" trick
Mar 17 2023 9:10AM
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tominiemenmaa
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Overcooked this one a bit. But starting to get there on the bigger kickers as well, right?

If I'd watched the clip on the lift I would've went for it again and gotten it for sure. Felt like a wonky carved 3 in the air, not a corked one. Or at least not the same than on the smaller kickers.

Unfortunately called it quits after this and didn't watch it until an hour later when the weather turned to sucky. Tomorrow's the last day for the trip, fingers crossed for good enough conditions & the balls to send it!
https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/1067786/trim-FF625705-6FDF-4A09-96D2-000B441310C9-MOV
Mar 24 2023 7:26AM
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corona
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You have a lot of ski suits.
Mar 24 2023 8:46AM
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skierman
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coronaYou have a lot of ski suits.


Just another rich kid with zero talent. Nothing to see here, move along.
Mar 24 2023 10:24AM
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steezytangerine
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Good luck on tommorow! I’m no expert at all but to me I think you just gotta get more off axis which I can only imagine is scary and hard but I bet you’ll get it with how much progress u got already
tominiemenmaaOvercooked this one a bit. But starting to get there on the bigger kickers as well, right?

If I'd watched the clip on the lift I would've went for it again and gotten it for sure. Felt like a wonky carved 3 in the air, not a corked one. Or at least not the same than on the smaller kickers.

Unfortunately called it quits after this and didn't watch it until an hour later when the weather turned to sucky. Tomorrow's the last day for the trip, fingers crossed for good enough conditions & the balls to send it!
https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/1067786/trim-FF625705-6FDF-4A09-96D2-000B441310C9-MOV
Mar 24 2023 6:35PM
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thankagaper
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Progression on snow is never fast. It will take a long time to get comfortable spinning off axis, and it does have a lot to do with hitting the same kicker that's steep/big enough to experiment with.
Once you learn that set, it is the ultimate ride. Especially on bigger kickers, you can stall put the cork, push toward laying flat, all while spotting the landing better than straight airing.
Mar 24 2023 10:07PM
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tominiemenmaa
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Haha yes, that's true. Easier said than done tho. Feels like I'm progressing on it every day, but the increments are so tiny. Thanks!
steezytangerineGood luck on tommorow! I’m no expert at all but to me I think you just gotta get more off axis which I can only imagine is scary and hard but I bet you’ll get it with how much progress u got already

That must be why this trick thing on skis is so addictive. You get your fix every day but the fix is so small you need to get it as often as possible. Even at this point, which I feel like is a proper carved three, I can see the landing like 70% of the air time and feel somewhat in control. All it needs for the cork is the little shoulder dip at the takeoff, but just like I said, it's easier said than done. I'm confident I'll get it, just not sure if it's going to be today, this season, or the next.

It's stupid how condition, location and shaping quality dependent jump tricks are. My home resort has a kicker that's close to the size & steepness on the last clip but man, the landings couldn't be more different.

- short
- 30ish degrees
- made of concrete hard ice
- always in shade
- close to nonexistent artificial lights
- almost never painted
- land deeper than the first third and your soles are done for the day
vs.
- as long you'll ever need
- 40ish degrees
- made of perfect groomer snow
- plenty of natural light from early march
- good artificial lights
- painted most of the days I'm ready to hit it
- never hurts if you land proper
thankagaperProgression on snow is never fast. It will take a long time to get comfortable spinning off axis, and it does have a lot to do with hitting the same kicker that's steep/big enough to experiment with.
Once you learn that set, it is the ultimate ride. Especially on bigger kickers, you can stall put the cork, push toward laying flat, all while spotting the landing better than straight airing.
Mar 25 2023 1:39AM
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tominiemenmaa
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Oh well. Felt a sudden snap on my right calf on a casual nose butter and now I'm wondering will I get to ski again before the season is over. Definitely something broken, hopefully just a minor strain and not a medium tear like almost exactly a year ago on my left calf...


Got a few tries on the topic tho. The grabbed version isn't a cork by any means but it looks super sick if you ask me! The latter version is the first (and sadly the last lap of the day) where I added a gentle shoulder dip and actually felt sendy enough that I thought today must be The Day. If I'd lifted my right foot and grabbed safety, it could've been it.

Hopefully I'll get to try again this spring!


https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/1067849/trim-3B493B40-C21D-4A96-A6FD-DEEEB041ED9D-MOV
Mar 25 2023 6:08AM
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SofaKingSick
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missed this til now. yeah, that last one is the ticket to cork3 town. keep doing that and leaning more, getting your skis up to the side to grab, and youre gonna be hyped. remember to flex that core. hope the injury isn't anything too disruptive man
Apr 10 2023 3:31PM
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tominiemenmaa
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Thanks. This cork three project of mine seems to be filled with setbacks and hardship, which sucks of course, but it must make the prize even better at the same time.

MRI showed partially torn gastrocnemius. Exactly the same trauma I had exactly a year back on the exactly same trick on the exactly same spot on the slope. Just different leg this time.

Yesterday, day 16 after the injury: back at the hill, skied two easy slopes. There's still hope I can try the cork 360 again within the season, which probably ends for me in the end of April. We'll see in two weeks. Rehab has been going well but there's still a lot more to do before I can ski at my best. Will be back on skis from now on but having to keep it super mellow and zero risk. Hopefully will be back skiing easy park next weekend, and carefully moving towards gnarlier stuff by the end of next week.
SofaKingSickmissed this til now. yeah, that last one is the ticket to cork3 town. keep doing that and leaning more, getting your skis up to the side to grab, and youre gonna be hyped. remember to flex that core. hope the injury isn't anything too disruptive man
Apr 10 2023 11:55PM
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SofaKingSick
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word well regardless man you're on a good track with them. you'll be really happy about it when you send motionless cork 3s over whatever you want. stay healthy and enjoy!
Apr 11 2023 9:13AM
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tominiemenmaa
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SofaKingSickword well regardless man you're on a good track with them. you'll be really happy about it when you send motionless cork 3s over whatever you want. stay healthy and enjoy!
Apr 11 2023 11:28AM
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steezytangerine
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That’s too bad, hope you recover quick
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