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I’m thinking of getting the J Skis All Play, potentially moving out to SLC this year after skiing in Indiana at Perfect North my whole life. I’m thinking this ski in particular because of its versatility but if anyone had any other recommendations im open minded.
Check out the roof box reviews on the site, and this should be posted in gear talk.
without knowing more about how aggressive you ski, you ability level, etc etc etc it’s tough to make a good recommendation. Allplays are easy to ski, and are a good ski for a wide range of ability levels. See if you can find some demo days to get on a variety of skis. Then you’ll have a group of skis to compare what you like / don’t like to narrow down your search
Would recommend my allplays to anyone. They feel great in the park, on blues just ripping and finding side hits, in the trees, coming down cirques at snow bird and high boy at alta. Could be stiffer for big mountain but for an all mountain ski I have 0 complaints
**This post was edited on Mar 5th 2022 at 8:44:26am
LemuelCheck out the roof box reviews on the site, and this should be posted in gear talk.
without knowing more about how aggressive you ski, you ability level, etc etc etc it’s tough to make a good recommendation. Allplays are easy to ski, and are a good ski for a wide range of ability levels. See if you can find some demo days to get on a variety of skis. Then you’ll have a group of skis to compare what you like / don’t like to narrow down your search
Sorry about not putting it in Gear Talk, totally wasn’t thinking.
J skis have pretty good build quality, yea there are Afew flukes here and there but they have a good warranty and customer service. My friend bought vacations and they seemed like a super fun ski. When mounting them they felt really solid. some skis *cough cough surface* feel really weak when mounting, it literally takes like half a second for the drill to make the hole, with J’s they felt really really good and took Afew seconds to drill which is what we want. Can’t speak on durability first hand but have heard good things. Solid ski overall if that’s what fits ur skier type.
i still don't understand how j skis will tell you that they sell only direct to consumer to save money, yet they're more expensive than other similar options
SofaKingSicki still don't understand how j skis will tell you that they sell only direct to consumer to save money, yet they're more expensive than other similar options
They should also advertise that fact that by cutting out shops you have to pay an additional 40-100 dollars for a mount after you purchase your skis lmao
idk why but this sport is so bad at supporting small locally owned business. People who own ski companies are literally out here saying "ski shops are obsolete, buying direct saves you money, etc..."
Where tf you get boots fitted at? skis mounted? advice about different brands or new tech? obviously mounting bindings and ski repair in general isnt rocket science but assuming everyone can do it at their house is out of touch. Put more money in the pockets of ceo's and fuck the dude whos going to help you out in a pinch because they're passionate about skiing and want to see other people enjoying it. Not saying don't support j tho, at least moneys going to someone who has made the sport what it is today and definitely gives a fuck, unlike most of those large conglomerates. I just dont agree with that mindset.
idkmyogusernameI’m thinking of getting the J Skis All Play, potentially moving out to SLC this year after skiing in Indiana at Perfect North my whole life. I’m thinking this ski in particular because of its versatility but if anyone had any other recommendations im open minded.
Shoutout to another PNS alum. I think you'd be super happy with something in the 100-ish waist range as an all-arounder for SLC.
SofaKingSicki still don't understand how j skis will tell you that they sell only direct to consumer to save money, yet they're more expensive than other similar option
There is a lot of nuance to go into when it comes to pricing/quality as it relates direct-to-consumer brands, but essentially there are two basic business models:
Model 1: Create a product with similar materials, spec's, etc. as your competitors and undercut them on price because you are removing the layer of profit normally reserved for a third-party retailer. This is the classic business model for retailers' in-house brands and is still pretty popular in the direct-to-consumer startup world.
Model 2: Create a product with better materials, spec's, etc. but sell it at a similar (or often slightly higher) price as your competitors with the idea of getting a better product for the same money (again because you are removing a third-party retailer's layer of profit.) This model came to prominence with Lululemon and is the value proposition J Skis is trying to put out there, though it's arguable whether or not their product is superior enough to justify their price.
**This post was edited on Mar 9th 2022 at 1:29:17pm
BurritoShoutout to another PNS alum. I think you'd be super happy with something in the 100-ish waist range as an all-arounder for SLC.
There is a lot of nuance to go into when it comes to pricing/quality as it relates direct-to-consumer brands, but essentially there are two basic business models:
Model 1: Create a product with similar materials, spec's, etc. as your competitors and undercut them on price because you are removing the layer of profit normally reserved for a third-party retailer. This is the classic business model for retailers' in-house brands and is still pretty popular in the direct-to-consumer startup world.
Model 2: Create a product with better materials, spec's, etc. but sell it at a similar (or often slightly higher) price as your competitors with the idea of getting a better product for the same money (again because you are removing a third-party retailer's layer of profit.) This model came to prominence with Lululemon and is the value proposition J Skis is trying to put out there, though it's arguable whether or not their product is superior enough to justify their price.
**This post was edited on Mar 9th 2022 at 1:29:17pm
yeah, but i don't think there's any indication that their skis are superior like Model 2 so they're selling a medium product for a premium price AND they're gonna tell you with a straight face that they're saving you money by cutting out shops etc? so the claim is if they sold in shops they'd be even more expensive? it makes no sense, i think they just want to enjoy the benefits of acting like a fledgling company when they're not
plus all their contrived limited edition nonsense, selling trump-style red hats, their virginity-protecting graphics (that i doubt actually licenses all the other people's IP used), and marketing to kids like they're a cereal brand. just the tackiest company ever
SofaKingSickyeah, but i don't think there's any indication that their skis are superior like Model 2 so they're selling a medium product for a premium price AND they're gonna tell you with a straight face that they're saving you money by cutting out shops etc? so the claim is if they sold in shops they'd be even more expensive? it makes no sense, i think they just want to enjoy the benefits of acting like a fledgling company when they're not
plus all their contrived limited edition nonsense, selling trump-style red hats, their virginity-protecting graphics (that i doubt actually licenses all the other people's IP used), and marketing to kids like they're a cereal brand. just the tackiest company ever
I don't disagree with any of that. At least when it comes to marketing and graphics J Lev still seems to have the taste of a 12 yo boy. Perfectly fine if your target market is 12 yo boys, but I don't know how much relevance J Skis has with the broader market regardless of the quality of their product.
That said, I do have a bit of a soft spot for them for a couple reasons:
1. They are one of the few brands left that seem truly committed to park, freeskiing, and staying indpendent. All of the formerly indie brands that were gobbled up by ski industry corporations (Line, Armada, 4FRNT, etc.) have spent the past 5-10 years all but outright telling people park is lame and carving groomers is where it's at. Fuck that. At least J Lev is committed to the kind of skiing I love.
2. I am almost certain they are actually paying licensing fees for the IP they use. They made a big deal about meeting with the Bob Ross family/trust when they dropped that collection, and I gotta believe they wouldn't dot their i's and cross their t's for one collection and not for the rest. As a professional designer IP protection hits very close to home for me, and I'd be the first in line to slam them if I thought it wasn't the case.
BurritoI don't disagree with any of that. At least when it comes to marketing and graphics J Lev still seems to have the taste of a 12 yo boy. Perfectly fine if your target market is 12 yo boys, but I don't know how much relevance J Skis has with the broader market regardless of the quality of their product.
That said, I do have a bit of a soft spot for them for a couple reasons:
1. They are one of the few brands left that seem truly committed to park, freeskiing, and staying indpendent. All of the formerly indie brands that were gobbled up by ski industry corporations (Line, Armada, 4FRNT, etc.) have spent the past 5-10 years all but outright telling people park is lame and carving groomers is where it's at. Fuck that. At least J Lev is committed to the kind of skiing I love.
2. I am almost certain they are actually paying licensing fees for the IP they use. They made a big deal about meeting with the Bob Ross family/trust when they dropped that collection, and I gotta believe they wouldn't dot their i's and cross their t's for one collection and not for the rest. As a professional designer IP protection hits very close to home for me, and I'd be the first in line to slam them if I thought it wasn't the case.
1) i hear you but on the other hand, companies like armada pay park skiers and enable them to ski and film at a high level. i doubt J skis so much as funds trips for their skiers, i'm pretty sure i've heard they pay them royalties from their own pro models and that's it
2) funny cause the bob ross one was the first one i thought of. i hope they did it legit esp in his case but think of all the graphics they've done, half of them seem like they just took images off the internet and stuck them on a ski
They make some awesome skis. I had All-Plays and loved them. Always wanted another pair or a pair of vacations. Just not really feeling the graphics. If there were some less flashy/cringe graphics I’d pick another pair up.
Picked up some master blasters this year, took a few days to get the feel for them. Really like them they charge, a little hard to wheelie on them the tails want to push you back forward. They make big gs turns and quick edge to edge turns, good on ice and in fresh snow. J makes solid skis.
