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Help me work on my backies for the boys

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vincenzm
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Hey guys,
i am once asking for your support, hope you are not too tired of these kind of threads.
So
last season i got my first ever backflips around and while they were
purely hucking and praying, this season i tried to work on them.
One
mistake i can not really fix is that after i pop i stop pushing my
hips, but rather bend them. With doing so i cant really stay upright and
spot the landing doing most of the rotation blind.
Sometimes when i
manage to guess the amount of rotation i bring it to my feet, but as
soon as i try bigger jumps it gets really hard without being able to see
where i am going.

I know the basic rules like pushing more through the hips, driving forward, being patient etc.
But is there any drill i can do, to keep my hips straight and look further behind me without randomly throwing my body back?
Maybe some of you had a similiar problem once.
I figured i would try getting my arms up and pointing at the landing to keep me more straight?

Anyway would love to hear some feedback, i added some videos to show my problem.
the first one is from last season, the second and third from a couple of days ago.


edit: i`m figuring out how to upload them rn

**This thread was edited on Feb 28th 2022 at 2:22:02pm
Feb 28 2022 2:19PM
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theabortionator
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2 things. Going off text cam be tough but it sounds like you might be hucking too hard. Good that it's coming around. But if you fling it it's hard to be too aware in the air or stop your rotation snd ride out clean.

You mentioned not staying upright. Like side to side. Check your head. Keep your head and shoulder squared up and everything else will follow. If you turn your head or lean youll change your rotation.

A big struggle in going from sending a backy ro dialing them in is some confidence, and getting enough height/ being comfty enough to lay it out a little. Even in a tuck. Just getting past the fling into it mode.

Getting the first try is the hardest. Make a few tweaks to it and keep em going. If you start sending them keep hiking or lapping till it's dialed. Easy to make small changes once you've been doing them. Also you get stoked and stop being afraid of eating shit.

Backies are sick!!! Props on sending some! You'll have em dialed soon
Feb 28 2022 2:35PM
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vincenzm
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dude i`m terrible at this, hope this works:

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Feb 28 2022 2:37PM
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vincenzm
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theabortionator2 things. Going off text cam be tough but it sounds like you might be hucking too hard. Good that it's coming around. But if you fling it it's hard to be too aware in the air or stop your rotation snd ride out clean.

You mentioned not staying upright. Like side to side. Check your head. Keep your head and shoulder squared up and everything else will follow. If you turn your head or lean youll change your rotation.

A big struggle in going from sending a backy ro dialing them in is some confidence, and getting enough height/ being comfty enough to lay it out a little. Even in a tuck. Just getting past the fling into it mode.

Getting the first try is the hardest. Make a few tweaks to it and keep em going. If you start sending them keep hiking or lapping till it's dialed. Easy to make small changes once you've been doing them. Also you get stoked and stop being afraid of eating shit.

Backies are sick!!! Props on sending some! You'll have em dialed soon

thank you very much already! yeah totally, i think finding the perfect sized kicker being not too big or not too small as some of them in my clips and hiking it could help out a lot. do you have any advice on how to stay arched or at least upright (meaning vertically)? because as you can hopefully see in my examples i struggle a lot pulling my head around and keeping my core kind of tight, or at least that`s what i guess haha
apart from that i`ll definetely keep practising! thanks for the kind words dude.
Feb 28 2022 2:43PM
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theabortionator
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vincenzmthank you very much already! yeah totally, i think finding the perfect sized kicker being not too big or not too small as some of them in my clips and hiking it could help out a lot. do you have any advice on how to stay arched or at least upright (meaning vertically)? because as you can hopefully see in my examples i struggle a lot pulling my head around and keeping my core kind of tight, or at least that`s what i guess haha
apart from that i`ll definetely keep practising! thanks for the kind words dude.


First jump looked pretty good. Just pull your knees in or go a little bigger. 2nd looked a little weird and you had to huck it but still really solid. 3rd just hang your knees. When i hang my knees i usually stretch out my uoper body a little to. Then snap em under you with plenty of time to land.

Those are solid though. You basically got em down.

Biggest thing is reps. If you do them a bunch you'll be the sickest person to do a backy or feel like it pretty quick. Keep sending em!
Feb 28 2022 2:51PM
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vincenzm
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theabortionatorFirst jump looked pretty good. Just pull your knees in or go a little bigger. 2nd looked a little weird and you had to huck it but still really solid. 3rd just hang your knees. When i hang my knees i usually stretch out my uoper body a little to. Then snap em under you with plenty of time to land.

Those are solid though. You basically got em down.

Biggest thing is reps. If you do them a bunch you'll be the sickest person to do a backy or feel like it pretty quick. Keep sending em!


thank you for looking into it man, really appreciate you taking the time! i feel like the weird look they sometimes have to them comes from not being able to lead them with the head like all the way through? it`s so difficult to put into words like this sort of hucking i do haha. is there any tip on stretching and hanging the knees more without just throwing myself to the back?
Feb 28 2022 3:03PM
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theabortionator
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vincenzmthank you for looking into it man, really appreciate you taking the time! i feel like the weird look they sometimes have to them comes from not being able to lead them with the head like all the way through? it`s so difficult to put into words like this sort of hucking i do haha. is there any tip on stretching and hanging the knees more without just throwing myself to the back?


I do them very similar to the trampoline. I just look for that point where i stall it and then snap it around. Bigger stuff i rotate slower. Stall it longer. Smaller stuff i try to get there faster and barely stall it.

But yeah i thought you were going to be way knewer at learing em. Just do them more. That's all i got.
Feb 28 2022 8:15PM
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Dr_Richard_Hertz
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Props to u on getting the courage to send em. I think what's going on is that ur setting it wrong? To me it looks like ur almost letting your legs set the rotation where you put them out in front of you almost like a pike backflip in gymnastics. In order to steeze it out you gotta pop and then rather than setting the rotation with ur legs, set it using your head and hips. Start by after popping leaning your head back while also pushing your hips up and forward (thrust to the sky), then you can use your legs by pulling them in or letting them out to control the rotation. This is probably going to feel very different from the backflips you're throwing now so I'd suggest finding a trampoline (you could find a local tramp park) and practicing. When you practice it also might be good to try and land forwards from where you're jumping. Just remember to try and let your legs loose and pretty much bend the opposite way at the hips (instead of folding forwards) if you're tryna lay it out.
Feb 28 2022 9:23PM
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ReturnToMonkey
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Stop hucking and praying, that doesn't work.

Step 1: pop really hard
Step 2: hump the air really hard, once. Hold.
Step 4: pretend you're belly flopping
Step 5: extend the landing gear and land
Feb 28 2022 10:14PM
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goatmaster
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Those are pretty good! The first thing is how your hips wrap around for the end of the flip. You legs and hips are kind of along for the ride. Spend some time on a trampoline really laying out your flips and learning how to do very controlled backflips using your hips. Seriously, it sounds stupid but learning how to do flips correctly on a trampoline with transfer to your skiing dramatically. Focus when you are on the trampoline with popping with your shoulders.The next thing is your pop. You are kind of just throwing back. Get a jump that is a decent size (not some tiny thing you built in 5 minutes in your backyard) and go into the lip with confidence and slightly crouched. Focus on popping with not only your legs but shoulders also, just like the trampoline. The trick with flips in confidence. If you are scarred you will pop too early or have other issues. Backflips just take some repetition to learn. Just keep trying them and making little adjustments and eventually they will just click.
Feb 28 2022 10:30PM
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vincenzm
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honestly thank you so much guys, means a lot. i want to learn them properly and being able to do them consistently so bad that i am really thankful for every bit of advice! so what i got from this is trying to set them up more straight, pushing through the hips and being more active in general in my legs aka not letting them swing around.

i think i got into this motion from doing them like whatever on the trampolin, which always worked out fine and i never noticed it but it seems now i have to change things up again.
unfortunately i won`t get near a trampoline park the next couple of weeks, so i`ll have to try them on snow again, once we get some more this weekend - and obviously more trampoline in the summer.

does anyone of you have like a mental drill to keep in mind to stay more pushed in the hips and the head leading the motion? I feel like taking my arms up with me like a diving motion and pointing up/ at the landing could help me stay upright, instead of just doing the flip from jumping back? Either way i`ll keep practising, can`t wait to try them again!
Mar 1 2022 8:12AM
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ReturnToMonkey
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vincenzmhonestly thank you so much guys, means a lot. i want to learn them properly and being able to do them consistently so bad that i am really thankful for every bit of advice! so what i got from this is trying to set them up more straight, pushing through the hips and being more active in general in my legs aka not letting them swing around.

i think i got into this motion from doing them like whatever on the trampolin, which always worked out fine and i never noticed it but it seems now i have to change things up again.
unfortunately i won`t get near a trampoline park the next couple of weeks, so i`ll have to try them on snow again, once we get some more this weekend - and obviously more trampoline in the summer.

does anyone of you have like a mental drill to keep in mind to stay more pushed in the hips and the head leading the motion? I feel like taking my arms up with me like a diving motion and pointing up/ at the landing could help me stay upright, instead of just doing the flip from jumping back? Either way i`ll keep practising, can`t wait to try them again!

I have to actively think about keeping my hands by my hips to keep the arms under control. This goes for flips, rails, general skiing, lol
Mar 1 2022 12:30PM
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vincenzm
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ReturnToMonkeyI have to actively think about keeping my hands by my hips to keep the arms under control. This goes for flips, rails, general skiing, lol


haha alright, for me i feel like this could help with the bellyflop thing you mentioned. i guess it`ll come down to more trial and error
Mar 1 2022 1:14PM
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