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Jemspretty much anyone can be a photographer and honestly i don’t understand how some people get so far with their skills
i guess having the most expensive gear means you’re the most qualified
Jemspretty much anyone can be a photographer and honestly i don’t understand how some people get so far with their skills
i guess having the most expensive gear means you’re the most qualified
Mackaroni_spaceGood luck trying to explain to all the kids taking photography classes with their parents money that just because they have a $2K camera (again bought with parental money) they aren’t a real photographer lmao
eheathFor events like the olympics, the camera equipment is supplied to the photographers for security/saftey reasons, these photogs are contracted by getty, so while they might not have a good eye for skiing, they are photojournalists.
asparagusthis guy only took photos for the ski and snowboard events…you’d think getty could find a ski photographer, it’s not like they’re hard to find
snowfinderfor years wanted to get into photography but sadly could never afford decent gear, meanwhile I had friends in college get amazing gear and now are professional photography. It's just another industry held by the rich and allows the rich in, not always the way but 99.999999999999% of the time it's that way.
eheathWhile this might have happened to one person you know, this statement as a generalization is false, obviously you need nice gear but its not 2004, people can be a photog and use a phone my dude.
Skill, talent, networking and luck play much more of a factor than equipment.
Also, people in the photo/video industry are not "rich".
**This post was edited on Feb 28th 2022 at 11:54:27am
snowfinderyou know professional photographers that got a job using a phone?
Jemspretty much anyone can be a photographer and honestly i don’t understand how some people get so far with their skills
i guess having the most expensive gear means you’re the most qualified
SuspiciousFishIt looks like these guys didnt get good access and had to use telephoto as well. Standing on the knuckle with a wide angle is the best shot IMO but you cant always do that on courses like this.
snowfinderyou know professional photographers that got a job using a phone?
ReturnToMonkeyAlso it's not entirely the photographers' faults, tbf a ton of people were missing their grabs in the Olympics
eheathThat's not what people are complaining about, the photos framing and overall composition are bad aka 'guy in the sky' photos. The timing could be better but thats even more forgivable imo, these photogs dont watch skiing, they dont know what looks cool and thats not their purpose either.
eheathFor video, this would be fine but IMO a tele looks better for jumps, a point of reference would change everything but guy-in-the-sky photos have been a thing for decades.
Most of the time knuckle access is very restricted too, I think its a good angle for video but jumps can look underwhelming with a wide/fish on the deck.
ReturnToMonkeyOh I see what the problem is. It's like even if they're 4 feet out of the pipe you could make them look higher with the perspective/zoom?
snowfinderfor years wanted to get into photography but sadly could never afford decent gear, meanwhile I had friends in college get amazing gear and now are professional photography. It's just another industry held by the rich and allows the rich in, not always the way but 99.999999999999% of the time it's that way.
graveldude no, you don't need expensive equipment to be a successful photographer or any sort of artist, it's way more about skill and networking.
ReturnToMonkeyDidn't they film a lot of those segment things during x-games purely with iphone? I thought they looked pretty good, which really comes down to the person behind the camera and maybe editing
snowfinderShould mention in order to become successful in this field you need to be able to freelance. You have to be able to go to a shoot and make it fit with in the clients schedule and then take the time to edit the product for them. To edit the product also costs money with programs in order to do so. Hard to do that without having a support system behind you(money). Again there are people out there that grind and make it happen but there are in the small %.
I know lots of successful artists and a lot of artists I admire and follow are ones that didn't have to grind. Some might play it off that they struggled but in reality they had money backing them. That is the reality of the art world like it or not.
snowfinderThats called marketing.
eheathYou're still pushing some pretty ignorant generalizations here man, I know a ton of people who are DOPs, directors, producers, action photogs, studio photogs, etc and they all worked from the bottom to where they are now and no amount of money replaces that my dude.
I personally spent years of my life making the absolutely minimum amount of money and managing that money so I could support myself while I grew my career. I think your presumptions are a bit off, even if someone did get say $5k to buy gear and a computer etc thats just a basic investment as a freelancer, it in no way determines the work and effort that go into using that gear to create meaningful content.
The truth is, any business takes money to operate and if you're a freelancer, you're running your own business. It takes money to make money and that applies to all businesses.
snowfinderThats called marketing.
snowfinderYes to start off you always start from the bottom that's a given, having the support system of money behind you is a big leg up. That is something the art world always pushes away and never wants to talk about.
You started off by making edits of some of the best skiers in the world and having the gear to do so, that's a leg up.
eheathHow is any amount of money a leg up? Cameras are dirt cheap these days, I'm gonna keep pushing back on you about this because I've lived it and have many friends who have also lived it and in one of the cheapest industries ever. If you move to LA and start PA jobs, you will work your way up to being on legit sets doing legit jobs and you dont even have to own a camera, your arguments about money are invalid.
And I made edits of my friends, some of them ended up becoming successful skiers, this is the "luck" component I was talking about earlier. But, this is a bit of generalization about me too, I filmed pro skiers but I didn't make money from that, I had to hustle my way through companies and brands to get them to pay me to make videos of their athletes, I didn't just get a paycheck for filming good skiers, you get what I'm saying?
Until 2020, I was making barely enough money to survive every month, the ski industry was a fun time and it propelled me to where I am today, but the idea that filming good skiers was a leg up is just comedy, that was over 10 years ago and I didn't start making a decent salary until I left the industry.
Professor-ModeloFinances can be a leg up because they provide one with more disposable time, aka more time to fuck around in the mountains and film their boys doing ski tricks. Obviously a 2k camera isn’t out of the question for someone who works and presumably owns a pair of skis, but it undeniably makes it easier to hone ones craft if their parents pay for their rent, and they don’t have to sacrifice their time on the hill to work a restaurant job to feed themself.. not suggesting anything about you in any way btw , idk about the details of your time as a filmer whatsoever, so I’m definitely not suggesting you were one of these
snowfinderYes to start off you always start from the bottom that's a given, having the support system of money behind you is a big leg up. That is something the art world always pushes away and never wants to talk about.
You started off by making edits of some of the best skiers in the world and having the gear to do so, that's a leg up.
eheathYou can make up any scenario, but the point is I'm trying to break that generalization because it's not very fair just to assume people who shot videos or take photos professionally have had a free ride to where they are because of money.
Money helps in any life situation but no amount of money will make you a video/photo professional, there is so much time and effort that needs to be put into it, years of work can not be replaced by money.
eheathYou can make up any scenario, but the point is I'm trying to break that generalization because it's not very fair just to assume people who shot videos or take photos professionally have had a free ride to where they are because of money.
Money helps in any life situation but no amount of money will make you a video/photo professional, there is so much time and effort that needs to be put into it, years of work can not be replaced by money.
snowfinderHaving the support system behind you allows you the freedom to go down avenues you wish to explore and possibly have a career in. Not everyone has the opportunities to do so because they are tied to making payments in order to live.
eheathThis is still a very anecdotal statement, plenty of people go down the path of opportunity because they worked hard to get there, not because they have money, you just need to give up this argument man its doesn't make any sense.
snowfinderIt doesn't make sense because you're on the inside trying to look out. There are plenty of talented people out there that tried to become a professional in the art world but weren't able to commit to it because they had to pursue other opportunities that paid more in order to live.
All I'm saying is to make it in the arts it helps to start with money.
**This post was edited on Feb 28th 2022 at 5:01:32pm
eheathIt helps to have money in ANY situation involving career building, thats the point I'm trying to get you to understand. Being a freelance videographer or photographer does cost one money, but you can't just buy a camera and be a professional photographer, so while sure having the right gear matters, money alone does not help you as much as you're trying to say it does.
And it doesn't make sense because I know what I'm talking about and you don't, you're assuming everything and I literally lived the life man, can't you see that you're the one looking at the situation with an untrained/unexperienced opinion?
snowfinderThere are a lot of talented people that tried to make it but couldn't afford the correct equipment to make it successfully. That's the part you seem to be overlooking. It's a grind to make it yes I addressed that it takes hard work and networking to make it in the arts yup covered that.
You don't know one person that was super talented in a certain field but had to give it up because it was not financially sustainable?
eheathEveryone I know who is passionate about filming or photo has basically done everything in their power to pursue their passion including going into debt/working off their gear like every other freelancer out there. Im sure some people gave up because they didn't want to figure out how to buy an expensive camera, but that just a natural selection of the career and you don't just get past this part of your career with money.
snowfinderYou don't know one person that couldn't make it work? Makes sense now how you can't relate to it being far off from what you have experienced in your career and those around you.
eheathIdk what you're trying to prove man, I'm done bashing my head into my keyboard, your opinion doesn't mean this much to me, have a nice.
snowfinderIt's just another industry held by the rich and allows the rich in, not always the way but 99.999999999999% of the time it's that way.
snowfinderNot my fault that you don't understand that talented, hard working and driven people in the arts are sometimes pushed out due to financial hurdles that are an underlining layer in the arts world.
eheathOnly sometimes, but its an industry held by the rich and only allows the rich in, you're pulling all of this shit out of your ass.
eheathOnly sometimes, but its an industry held by the rich and only allows the rich in, you're pulling all of this shit out of your ass.
