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Americans (and maybe EU nations) are living in delusion basically telling Russia “if you invade Ukraine, you’ll be in big trouble, mister” threatening sanctions and all sorts of bullshit. But Russia has the support of China, you think they care? China has way more global power than we want to believe. Russia and Ukraine hold enormous amounts of oil (and specifically natural gas) that is supplied to European countries for energy and everybody is already screaming about high prices, wait until their energy bill triples still. US has lots of natural gas but we can’t transport it in scale. China has a stranglehold on the global supply chain as capitalism outsourced everything to China to save some bucks and make stonks go up. China’s belt and road initiative has blitzkrieg written all over it. I know this is speculation, but Russian trolls have also potentially been destabilizing united nations across the globe over the last decade too. It’s Russia and China’s world for the taking. Why are we so hellbent on going to space again? The war for natural resources is going to get a lot more brutal
we’re just left with hopes and dreams and the hope that NATO actually has any power.
apologies to eheath cuz i hope this turns into a political shitshow of a thread. Bring back Dolan
SuspiciousFishImagine all the US troops stationed in Germany right now that thought the deployment would be a European vacation and now they are the Vanguard of possible WWIII.
They aren't afraid, they are mad. These are the types of dudes that want to help and are being told to CAP.
I do think Norway is relevant but I’m not going to get into the geopolitics of that.
I don’t think it will be Estonia. It would be Lithuania to breakthrough to Kaliningrad from Belarus. There they have a port and avoid Estonia and Finland. Estonia would be a waste of resources. They have a port right next to it.
Realistically, I think Putin is just going to go for Ukraine for now but no one knows the future.
Dustin.Tell her not to worry.
Estonia and Lithuania will be next unfortunately. After this display of weakness, Putin is probably staring right at them. Romania is also a NATO country, with US fighters sitting and waiting. Obviously didn't matter, I think your Norway example doesn't make sense in that capacity, but I don't think Putin needs Finland.
Geopolitical realities, I'm not wishing that on anyone.
Estonia and Lithuania will be next unfortunately. After this display of weakness, Putin is probably staring right at them. Romania is also a NATO country, with US fighters sitting and waiting. Obviously didn't matter, I think your Norway example doesn't make sense in that capacity, but I don't think Putin needs Finland.
Geopolitical realities, I'm not wishing that on anyone.
My best guess is Putin will keep to Ukraine where he can use the instability and contested regions to keep the EU from getting too involved. Putin is not stupid, he knows he can only push so far before a peer state conflict hits and hitting any other nations will trigger that. My best guess is he is going to take out the Ukraine air force then take the contested regions and hang tight to see the response and depending on what happens will decide to hit the capital or not. Russia's military is not powerful enough to face down NATO and Putin knows this so he is going to walk the tightrope as far as it can go. China is too economically dependent on the US to help Russia so if we get involved he is pretty much going to be alone in this.
Dustin.Estonia and Lithuania will be next unfortunately.
estonia and lithuania are in NATO. invading them is several levels above invading ukraine and if they went at NATO countries the rest of the world's hands would no longer be tied behind their back
China really just has eyes on Taiwan. They might make a move during all this chaos. But yeah, China makes so much money off the west. It’s in their interest to avoid war.
SuspiciousFishMy best guess is Putin will keep to Ukraine where he can use the instability and contested regions to keep the EU from getting too involved. Putin is not stupid, he knows he can only push so far before a peer state conflict hits and hitting any other nations will trigger that. My best guess is he is going to take out the Ukraine air force then take the contested regions and hang tight to see the response and depending on what happens will decide to hit the capital or not. Russia's military is not powerful enough to face down NATO and Putin knows this so he is going to walk the tightrope as far as it can go. China is too economically dependent on the US to help Russia so if we get involved he is pretty much going to be alone in this.
Dustin.Estonia and Lithuania will be next unfortunately. After this display of weakness, Putin is probably staring right at them.
also i'm curious what you are referring to as "this display of weakness." i've seen a lot of vague criticism on biden but never an actual idea of what he supposedly should be doing
do you think the US should be combating them directly? pretty sure polls show the US population at like 25% support for doing that
SuspiciousFishMy best guess is he is going to take out the Ukraine air force then take the contested regions and hang tight to see the response and depending on what happens will decide to hit the capital or not.
doubt it. US intel says the plan is to cut off kyiv and install a puppet gov, and the US intel public drops have been on fire recently. if he DOESN'T do that now/soon, my optimistic hope is that it's because things aren't going as well for russia as they'd hoped. but i think they will do that, and probably ASAP
Listening to talk radio this morning. One guy that is in the place where Rush used to be, a huge Trump supporter, said he would today state his case why he believes that if Trump was not elected, this never would have happened.
Wow, that's a big turn around for that dude.
I went and skied a bit, and never heard the point, but he was making a big deal about that he would prove something in the program opener.
Pray for all the innocent people.
Now I hear half the Russians are not down, and starting to protest! Good for them. Putin, must be taken out from the inside, by Russians themselves.
The real question is going to be whether or not China invades Taiwan now. Russia and China have a pretty defacto alliance via enemy of my enemy is my friend. If China does go and try to take Taiwan, Russia will probably start going for some NATO countries and then we're really in it.
BigPurpleSkiSuitThe real question is going to be whether or not China invades Taiwan now. Russia and China have a pretty defacto alliance via enemy of my enemy is my friend. If China does go and try to take Taiwan, Russia will probably start going for some NATO countries and then we're really in it.
I'd be surprised. Taiwan is pretty well armed by the US so they'd likely put up a VERY difficult fight.
SofaKingSickdoubt it. US intel says the plan is to cut off kyiv and install a puppet gov, and the US intel public drops have been on fire recently. if he DOESN'T do that now/soon, my optimistic hope is that it's because things aren't going as well for russia as they'd hoped. but i think they will do that, and probably ASAP
Very interesting. Do you have a link to where you can find the public drops? I am always looking for sources of direct info when historic events go down.
DominatorJacquesListening to talk radio this morning. One guy that is in the place where Rush used to be, a huge Trump supporter, said he would today state his case why he believes that if Trump was not elected, this never would have happened.
Wow, that's a big turn around for that dude.
I went and skied a bit, and never heard the point, but he was making a big deal about that he would prove something in the program opener.
Pray for all the innocent people.
Now I hear half the Russians are not down, and starting to protest! Good for them. Putin, must be taken out from the inside, by Russians themselves.
That is good the Russian people are fighting back. There is no real justification to the Russian people behind this war. Putin always likes to show power and strength to his people but when sanctions etc hit, its going to be hard to make a good case.
As for Trump, I honestly dont know what case you could make that his presidency caused this. He was a blow hard but was actually pretty chill on foreign policy. The foundations of this conflict are from 2014 under Obama and Biden.
SuspiciousFishAs for Trump, I honestly dont know what case you could make that his presidency caused this. He was a blow hard but was actually pretty chill on foreign policy. The foundations of this conflict are from 2014 under Obama and Biden.
It's not the fault of any single administration. Every administration has had their failings with Russia since the fall of the USSR.
I mean, you do remember Trump refused to give Ukraine weapons that would have assisted in an invasion like the one currently ongoing and removed any mention of an anti-Russian stance from the GOP platform in 2016, correct?
Ultimately, this is the fault of Putin.
**This post was edited on Feb 24th 2022 at 3:14:25pm
SuspiciousFishVery interesting. Do you have a link to where you can find the public drops? I am always looking for sources of direct info when historic events go down.
various places. i've read that bit in actual articles but i definitely saw it today on marco rubio's non-official twitter feed (https://twitter.com/marcorubio). no comment on rubio as a whole but he's the VP on the select committee on intelligence and he's been doing some intel drops the last 24 hours as the ukraine invasion started and like i said, the US intel call outs ahead of time have been on fire recently so i'm inclined to put some stock in it. he also claimed earlier today that russia has been carrying out deliberate strikes on civilians for morale weakening and i've seen a couple videos that, if verified, seem to corroborate that. truly disgusting stuff
"#Russia plans to encircle #Kyiv, force the legitimate govt of #Ukraine to flee & install “Vichy Ukranian”puppets
Key to this plan is a large #Russian Airborne Forces operation
We may see an attempt to execute on that operation within a matter of hours #UkraineRussiaConflict"
DominatorJacquesListening to talk radio this morning. One guy that is in the place where Rush used to be, a huge Trump supporter, said he would today state his case why he believes that if Trump was not elected, this never would have happened.
Wow, that's a big turn around for that dude.
I went and skied a bit, and never heard the point, but he was making a big deal about that he would prove something in the program opener.
Pray for all the innocent people.
Now I hear half the Russians are not down, and starting to protest! Good for them. Putin, must be taken out from the inside, by Russians themselves.
Considering pedophile Trump has hundreds of connections with Russian-Jewish oligarchs at the Eurasian congress and who have openly called for Russian geopolitical interests over US Inc. interests, for obvious reasons, I'm sure he wouldn't start a war against Russia, espiecally considering Trump has nominee accounts in China and Russia, like the foreign agent he is. See Red Mafiya book, which gets into the heart of the matter, something the media only did on a nominal level for reasons unknown. And because GRU/FSB are on good terms with Israel's Mossad, this puts more stress on US interests, as Israel geographically sits on the point of the east-west axis which it's labor Zionists have been continually turning to the Eurasianist BRIC Road Alliance
Pence, did, however, say to the military around two years ago that by 2025 they'd be fighting in Europe. The US buys massive amounts of oil from Russia, though, the US via America sits on the largest oil fields in the world and is basically self-sustainable for the next 200+ years. Needless to say, this US-RU trade will go on as usual, I believe and private oil/gas companies will rack in the profits. Apparently, though, we have to be climate change friendly, so cancel the pipeline and have Europe buy LNG gas from USA, which is then brought with a ship?
Now the first Secretary General of NATO said of the alliance as keeping in the Americans in, the Russians out, and the Germans down. Revoking Nordstream 2 a project the Germans pushed for is definitely going to keep them down but with growing NATO military precense in the region, at least, western Ukraine, whose president is Jewish and Israeli and advocates for unipolarism at the expense of multipolarism, they might be able to secure Seperatist areas to cut off the geopolitical sphere of Russia. Nevertheless, the sanction hurts Germany more than Russia, which is interesting. It’s overall impact on Russia itself really isn’t that big and I imagine it has more to do with Nord Strem 2 AG being a subsidiary of Gazprom, with HQ in Switzerland for the banking secrecy friendly laws. Targeting the rich Russians who have invested and would profit most.
It's funny watching Putin claim nazism controls the Ukraine, as if he is Stalin, considering the Ukranian president is Jewish and Ukranian Azov Battalion forces, recieve funding from Israeli oligarchs. Though, some of the leaders do wear the SS and Swatstika symbology, which would presumably be because of the 20th century manufactured famine that killed 7 million Ukrainians, especially in Western Ukraine, due to Stalin's collectivist policies for National Bolshevism, though, it was really to break down that sphere because many in Western Ukraine fought on the side of Germany agaisnt the Soviets. Playing devil's advocate here, the primary target of the Nazis was never really the Jews, at least not at first. They killed far more
Orthodox Slavs than Jews, and probably intended to kill well over a hundred million of them. A simple read of Mein Kampf or the book "Hitler's Germany," written by a Nazi party member, illustrates this hatred of the Slav and the need to cleanse them. But curiously, Karl Marx and Engles, the founders of communism, also hated the Slavs. Engles calling for their genocide and stated that ‘blacks’ should be eradicated and swept from the Earth’ and Marx stated “the chief mission of all other races and peoples, large and small, is to perish in the revolutionary holocaust." Both Marx and Engles were German, the latter Jewish. And it was Germany who sent Lenin to Russia, and the US, Trotsky. They were determiend and professional terroristic revolutionists where, according to Marx, to destroy the old system, "revolutionary terrorism” would be the dictum. So to Putin's credit, there certainly is a National Socialism element in Kiev but when Putin praises Stalin, is he not also praising another form of National Socialism?
idk what I'm saying, dont read what I wrote, its pseudo language masking geopolitics.
SofaKingSickdoubt it. US intel says the plan is to cut off kyiv and install a puppet gov, and the US intel public drops have been on fire recently. if he DOESN'T do that now/soon, my optimistic hope is that it's because things aren't going as well for russia as they'd hoped. but i think they will do that, and probably ASAP
Guy on left gave dailystormer 5,000 dollars, is Jewish trust fund kid "comedian" and sexually abuses women, guy on right has said the word "niggerfaggot" at least 200 times. This combo alone can save Ukraine.
SuspiciousFishThat is good the Russian people are fighting back. There is no real justification to the Russian people behind this war. Putin always likes to show power and strength to his people but when sanctions etc hit, its going to be hard to make a good case.
As for Trump, I honestly dont know what case you could make that his presidency caused this. He was a blow hard but was actually pretty chill on foreign policy. The foundations of this conflict are from 2014 under Obama and Biden.
LOL the foundations are from 2014? Nah Russia and Ukraine have been this way for many hundreds of years, since the Vikings ruled the Slavic lands. Sure maybe the west-propped democratic government might have had a lot of direct ties to what is happening now, but the roots of this conflict date back far before the US ever came out isolationism.
Yeah, it's good that the Russian people are showing resistance. They got a taste of the global free market and don't want to let go of that fruit tree
The old Kievan Rus people from Sweden!
Anyone ever seen the movie Taras Bulba btw?
ReturnToMonkeyLOL the foundations are from 2014? Nah Russia and Ukraine have been this way for many hundreds of years, since the Vikings ruled the Slavic lands.
SofaKingSickhoo boy. now we hope day 1 hasn't gone as well as they'd hoped and this plan gets disrupted...
Honestly, it looks like Ukraine is putting up some decent resistance. They are fighting for their homes while Russian forces are just doing what they are told. It looks like Ukrainian forces have repelled the attack on Hostomel airport which is good:
(18 Russian transport planes are reportedly heading for Kiev)
Il-76 can carry over 120 paratroopers, or even up to 225 troops if they land. This means somewhere between 2000 and 4000 troops will be arriving in Kyev today... God damn
ReturnToMonkeyIl-76 can carry over 120 paratroopers, or even up to 225 troops if they land. This means somewhere between 2000 and 4000 troops will be arriving in Kyev today... God damn
It looks like the planes were meant to land at the airport right outside Kiev but the Ukrainians held it. Hopefully this blunts that plan and buys them time.
It’s very different when it’s for your home. You mentioned Finland and Simo Häyhä earlier. That was fighting for your lives and homes. Despite the odds.
SuspiciousFishHonestly, it looks like Ukraine is putting up some decent resistance. They are fighting for their homes while Russian forces are just doing what they are told. It looks like Ukrainian forces have repelled the attack on Hostomel airport which is good:
BradFiAusNzCoCaIt’s very different when it’s for your home. You mentioned Finland and Simo Häyhä earlier. That was fighting for your lives and homes. Despite the odds.
Urban guerilla warfare is hell for invading armies if the people are armed and determined. Look at Stalingrad or even Falluja. It looks like Ukraine is blowing bridges now and hopefully will destroy that airfield so Russia will have to fight every inch to get to the capital.
System stress test. Ukraine is not Putin's main objective. It will continue to be limited fighting, so Russia Inc., can survey the land and beef up his boys. He doesn't want a real war ... most of those assets, anyway, go to America, where we are not focusing. Yuri Bezmenov knew. They have to resource drain, create agitation/fighting and the longer it continues the better for Russia, geopolitical wise. Now NATO has what can only be called a "Tom Cruise committee." Putin knows this and is using it to his advantage.
Mad respect to the Ukrainian troops that held that airfield by Kiev. They literally saved their country. Every day the Ukraine resistance holds, the more the morale will fail with the Russian troops and internal forces will act against Putin including popular protests and uprisings.
This might even be the end of Putin if things go south for him.
Apparently, there's a rumor/lie being spread on Ukrainian social media that the Polish border is closed. This is not true, it is open and they are ready for fleeing Ukrainians with open arms. They've suspended all visa requirements. Many Ukrainians who do not wish to fight have not fled because of this lie being spread.
SuspiciousFishMad respect to the Ukrainian troops that held that airfield by Kiev. They literally saved their country. Every day the Ukraine resistance holds, the more the morale will fail with the Russian troops and internal forces will act against Putin including popular protests and uprisings.
This might even be the end of Putin if things go south for him.
ReturnToMonkeyApparently, there's a rumor/lie being spread on Ukrainian social media that the Polish border is closed. This is not true, it is open and they are ready for fleeing Ukrainians with open arms. They've suspended all visa requirements. Many Ukrainians who do not wish to fight have not fled because of this lie being spread.
Russian market lost $250 billion dollars today… ouch
One of their largest trade partners Germany cut the permits for a gas pipeline which cuts Russia’s largest export (natural gas) down a lot.
on top of that there’s been talks of booting russia from the SWIFT world banking system, which would would literally cripple them financially- the nuclear option for economic war I’ve heard.
so how again is this actually benefiting ANY Russian person?? The country already has a smaller economy than Canada lol (no offense Canada) and now they’re about to face the harshest economic sanctions ever??
I am honestly curious if Putin gets assassinated over this. Literally nobody else in the world including Russian civilians, businessmen or even soldiers are down on this war. Even in the videos of random Russian soldiers they are all kind of slumped like, "Why the fuck am I here right now?"
nah, the president is a brave fool. 13 people dead for an island in the middle of nowhere. They're brave, but damn...it's sad to read. Maybe not even brave for the president, but I figured he'd be out of there with duffel bags of money by now and he's not so kudos to him I suppose. It surprises me how inept the Russian army has been thus far.
**This post was edited on Feb 24th 2022 at 8:24:02pm
BigPurpleSkiSuitnah, the president is a brave fool. 13 people dead for an island in the middle of nowhere. They're brave, but damn...it's sad to read. Maybe not even brave for the president, but I figured he'd be out of there with duffel bags of money by now and he's not so kudos to him I suppose. It surprises me how inept the Russian army has been thus far.
**This post was edited on Feb 24th 2022 at 8:24:02pm
