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We’re in the infancy of WW3 Change my mind

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iH8pow
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Americans (and maybe EU nations) are living in delusion basically telling Russia “if you invade Ukraine, you’ll be in big trouble, mister” threatening sanctions and all sorts of bullshit. But Russia has the support of China, you think they care? China has way more global power than we want to believe. Russia and Ukraine hold enormous amounts of oil (and specifically natural gas) that is supplied to European countries for energy and everybody is already screaming about high prices, wait until their energy bill triples still. US has lots of natural gas but we can’t transport it in scale. China has a stranglehold on the global supply chain as capitalism outsourced everything to China to save some bucks and make stonks go up. China’s belt and road initiative has blitzkrieg written all over it. I know this is speculation, but Russian trolls have also potentially been destabilizing united nations across the globe over the last decade too. It’s Russia and China’s world for the taking. Why are we so hellbent on going to space again? The war for natural resources is going to get a lot more brutal

we’re just left with hopes and dreams and the hope that NATO actually has any power.

apologies to eheath cuz i hope this turns into a political shitshow of a thread. Bring back Dolan
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PacificRimJob
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ChadThundercockGuarantee nuke used soon

I really doubt it. I don't even see it as a good move to threaten with it - not that we have seen Putin make very many good moves with this war, but I digress...



Threatening Ukraine with forward-deplayed tac-nukes, governed by Russian generals is pretty much the stupidest plan for Putin.

1. It will maintain and if anything, invigorate worldwide condemnation and response - potentially escalating sanctions to an even higher degree.

2. It will certainly spin the ire of the currently neutral PRChina - which they definitely cannot afford to do. China is effectively a corporation that sells cheap labour and stolen intellectual property, masquerading as a communist nation. The CCP sees nukes as VERY bad for business. If you get China to turn on you, then your really have nowhere to go at that point... Youre extra stuffed.

3. Putin risks the power he has over Russia's nuclear arsenal being taken out of his hands. He has all control over strategic weapons, but tactical weapons need to be forward deployed, and this means he doesnt have 100% control over its usage. The dude is a narcissistic, paranoid, control freak. He simply will not allow that to happen unless some pretty wild shit happens.

4. Putin's army can barely hold the land it controls already, and Ukraine has delivered very effective counter attacks - destroying or seizing a ton of Russian equipment... If he has nukes forward deployed and Ukraine can seize them and control them after a counterattack, then Putin risks a nuclear exchange with Ukraine itself... and he's downright fucked at that stage.
Oct 31 2022 3:40AM
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PacificRimJob
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By the way.. on that last point... so much Russian equipment has been destroyed or seized by Ukraine that they're being forced to bust out shit that's been rusting since the 1960s... rockets that are failing to ignite... AK's that have been rusted solid by sitting in a leaking soviet weapons dump for 45 years...

Their morale is so low.. There is dissent and a complete lack of discipline in the ranks, and this call-up of 300k reservists is a complete waste of time - thousands of them have fled to Georgia or Armenia or Turkey, etc...

The conditions that they have to bear are no better than the Russian prisons they are being threatened with for dissent.

They're being told they will be reprimanded for bringing smartphones with them, but they all have smartphones, and are taking photos and making posts with their geotags on... posting photos to social media and shit, and accidentally telling Ukrainian defenders exactly where their positions are and what equipment they have with them.

This whole thing would be hilarious if people weren't getting fucking killed...



For years we have been hearing 'dont invade Russia in the winter' well, with the condition and state of Russia's equipment in this war, and the fact that Ukraine has been getting pumped full of fresh western equipment by the day, and is fighting for it's own existence... there's virtually no way that the Russians are going to win this thing. Putin is just throwing men at the problem and hoping that works like Russia seems to always do...



All we can hope is Putin eventually gets hauled off to the Urals to be shot and bayoneted to death Romanov style...
Oct 31 2022 7:55AM
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bogust
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There are two ways the war in ukraine can end

1. After Ukraine retakes Crimea Putin gets desperate to the point he employs a tactical nuclear device in Ukraine resulting in a NATO intervention and probably WW3

2. Putin proposes using nukes but is stopped in a coup red storm rising style.
Nov 14 2022 9:52AM
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Jems
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holy fuck i thought this thread died already
Nov 14 2022 1:16PM
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iH8pow
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I have a mini stroke everytime i see it pop back up
Jemsholy fuck i thought this thread died already
Nov 14 2022 2:16PM
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PacificRimJob
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bogustThere are two ways the war in ukraine can end

1. After Ukraine retakes Crimea Putin gets desperate to the point he employs a tactical nuclear device in Ukraine resulting in a NATO intervention and probably WW3

2. Putin proposes using nukes but is stopped in a coup red storm rising style.

Putin will not nuke ukraine (please tell me this ages well)

My best guess is his gameplan is to let Ukraine win - sorta, but push for the right wing nationalists of Ukraine to take over the government in some manner - thus giving him justification for an expanded war, and a way to tell the west "see? Nazis!" and tell his people "see? The west is Nazis!"

If that's not his gameplan, and he simply intends to hold onto all territory south of the Dinipro, and solidify his holdings in the Donbass so that he can keep the Crimean Canal flowing, then he's in for a bit of a protracted war here..
Nov 14 2022 2:28PM
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mrk127
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.frenchyrussia has commenced the bombings! lets see where this goes!!


These exclamation points didn't age well
Nov 15 2022 2:31AM
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BradFiAusNzCoCa
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Poland border town next to Ukraine hit with 2 missiles. 2 dead. Anonymous US intel source says they are Russian. Pentagon nor Poland have confirmed. However, Poland is holding emergency crisis meeting.
Nov 15 2022 3:02PM
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PacificRimJob
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BradFiAusNzCoCaPoland border town next to Ukraine hit with 2 missiles. 2 dead. Anonymous US intel source says they are Russian. Pentagon nor Poland have confirmed. However, Poland is holding emergency crisis meeting.


oh shit...
Nov 15 2022 3:09PM
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SofaKingSick
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BradFiAusNzCoCaPoland border town next to Ukraine hit with 2 missiles. 2 dead. Anonymous US intel source says they are Russian. Pentagon nor Poland have confirmed. However, Poland is holding emergency crisis meeting.


PacificRimJoboh shit...


that won't fundamentally change things much



also i forgot about this thread. some hilariously bad takes esp from the 3 dudes who say they're in the military, some strong cases of needing to read more and talk less
Nov 15 2022 3:47PM
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Lonely
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SofaKingSickthat won't fundamentally change things much


Care to elaborate given your experiences?

I'd assume the amount/type of weapons Ukraine receives would maybe change, but this is probably not "ARTICLE 5 WW3" as everyone is making it out to be.

The memes are funny tho
Nov 15 2022 3:55PM
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SofaKingSick
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LonelyCare to elaborate given your experiences?

I'd assume the amount/type of weapons Ukraine receives would maybe change, but this is probably not "ARTICLE 5 WW3" as everyone is making it out to be.

The memes are funny tho


yeah this is article 4 territory ("let's talk about this and our response as a group"), not article 5 ("enemy attacked us, y'all are now going to help me repel this attack/destroy this enemy"). they'll discuss what they think is an appropriate response and do it

result likely to be some limited response attacks at most, and an uptick in aid given to ukraine/uptick in aggressiveness of our policy on the whole thing
Nov 15 2022 4:13PM
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malchik
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Haha there we have it. I knew this was to happen about 2 weeks ago when the lil yachty bringing wok to poland song was psyopped into creation. Gen Z golems do not give a rats ass about Poland and do not even know what it is but now that yes good rapper man sings it they will support nato invasion. Well played mossad
Nov 15 2022 5:15PM
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ASSholebomber22
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malchikHaha there we have it. I knew this was to happen about 2 weeks ago when the lil yachty bringing wok to poland song was psyopped into creation. Gen Z golems do not give a rats ass about Poland and do not even know what it is but now that yes good rapper man sings it they will support nato invasion. Well played mossad


First ns russian bot?
Nov 15 2022 5:22PM
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SofaKingSick
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malchikHaha there we have it. I knew this was to happen about 2 weeks ago when the lil yachty bringing wok to poland song was psyopped into creation. Gen Z golems do not give a rats ass about Poland and do not even know what it is but now that yes good rapper man sings it they will support nato invasion. Well played mossad


straight up nonsense takes like this are way too common. gen z golems? lil yachty x mossad conspiracy? you didn't know what poland was before this? nato invasion... of whom?

but i'm sure you'll reassess your 4chan-induced fever dream take when none of this materializes, right?
Nov 15 2022 5:29PM
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0sum
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ASSholebomber22First ns russian bot?


Swear I've seen people promoting TWOOWT a suspicious amount...
Nov 15 2022 5:48PM
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malchik
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SofaKingSickstraight up nonsense takes like this are way too common. gen z golems? lil yachty x mossad conspiracy? you didn't know what poland was before this? nato invasion... of whom?

but i'm sure you'll reassess your 4chan-induced fever dream take when none of this materializes, right?


Nonsense? How?
Nov 15 2022 6:02PM
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PacificRimJob
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LonelyCare to elaborate given your experiences?

I'd assume the amount/type of weapons Ukraine receives would maybe change, but this is probably not "ARTICLE 5 WW3" as everyone is making it out to be.

The memes are funny tho


Yeah, we haven't seen anyone go to Defcon 3 or anything...

But if Russia is gonna lob missiles, miss, and hit neighbours and knock out power to multiple countries, then yeah... it's time to give Ukraine some real big shit...

Perhaps even more 'contractors' - No doubt there are some NATO military members who have been 'discharged' in able for them to go on special assignments in Ukraine. There's a chance you might find more Poles lining the Dinipro after this.
Nov 15 2022 6:06PM
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T.L.
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Hour 1 - "Russian Missile hits Poland, 2 dead!"
Hour 2 - Markets are now reacting to the news.
Hour 3 - Normies consume their spoon-fed headlines and take to social media to denounce the "attack"
Hour 4 - Zelensky says it was Russia!
Hour 5 - Article 4 meeting to discuss Article 5 now!!!
Hour 6 - Headlines start changing from "Russian Missile Strike kills 2" to "Blast Kills 2"
Hour 7 - "Yeah ummm, it wasn't the Russians, no more questions."

Within the first 3 hours OSINT folks on twitter had come to the conclusion that it was a S300 missile based on pictures of fragments that had been found at the impact site and that it likely originated from Ukraine.

It's criminal what the mainstream media does to incite panic on the world.
Nov 15 2022 9:37PM
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Lonely
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Nov 15 2022 10:16PM
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T.L.
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https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/poland-russian-made-missile-fell-country-killing-93390447


NATO member Poland and the head of the military alliance both said Wednesday there is “no indication” that a missile that came down in Polish farmland, killing two people, was an intentional attack, and that air defenses in neighboring Ukraine likely launched the Soviet-era projectile to fend off a Russian assault that savaged its power grid.

“Ukraine’s defense was launching their missiles in various directions and it is highly probable that one of these missiles unfortunately fell on Polish territory," said Polish President Andrzej Duda. “There is nothing, absolutely nothing, to suggest that it was an intentional attack on Poland.”
Nov 16 2022 8:50AM
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T.L.
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Lonely


What is this even about?

I was laying out a timeline of how fast things occurred and how wrong MSM continues to get the story as it unfolds even with all their "anonymous US intelligence source" claims.

It was all correct and happened just as I said.
Nov 16 2022 8:56AM
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SofaKingSick
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T.L.Hour 1 - "Russian Missile hits Poland, 2 dead!"
Hour 2 - Markets are now reacting to the news.
Hour 3 - Normies consume their spoon-fed headlines and take to social media to denounce the "attack"
Hour 4 - Zelensky says it was Russia!
Hour 5 - Article 4 meeting to discuss Article 5 now!!!
Hour 6 - Headlines start changing from "Russian Missile Strike kills 2" to "Blast Kills 2"
Hour 7 - "Yeah ummm, it wasn't the Russians, no more questions."

Within the first 3 hours OSINT folks on twitter had come to the conclusion that it was a S300 missile based on pictures of fragments that had been found at the impact site and that it likely originated from Ukraine.

It's criminal what the mainstream media does to incite panic on the world.


yeah, if i was pathetic enough to root for the invading russians i guess i'd leap on this one too. closest thing those clowns have had to a W

thank god you're here to defend them - that wasn't their missile, only the other 500 shot at civilians have been them! mean ol' media reporting on war crimes :(
Nov 16 2022 9:27AM
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SofaKingSick
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SofaKingSickyeah, if i was pathetic enough to root for the invading russians i guess i'd leap on this one too. closest thing those clowns have had to a W

thank god you're here to defend them - that wasn't their missile, only the other 500 shot at civilians have been them! mean ol' media reporting on war crimes :(


if you don't know what we're referring to, a russian-made missile or 2 landed in poland yesterday and killed 2 people. people went ahead and assumed it was shot by russia, you know, like the other 900 that have been shot by russia at civilian shit this year. then it was found that it was likely an errant defensive missile shot by ukraine. NATO/poland said okay, honest mistake, watch it!

thus constituting the biggest win russia and its pathetic online fans have logged so far
Nov 16 2022 9:36AM
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T.L.
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SofaKingSickyeah, if i was pathetic enough to root for the invading russians i guess i'd leap on this one too. closest thing those clowns have had to a W

thank god you're here to defend them - that wasn't their missile, only the other 500 shot at civilians have been them! mean ol' media reporting on war crimes :(


k..

Fact finding and looking for accurate sources is defending Russia how??

Russia can fuck themselves, Ukraine can fuck themselves, and you can can as well.
Nov 16 2022 10:23AM
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ASSholebomber22
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T.L.k..

Fact finding and looking for accurate sources is defending Russia how??

Russia can fuck themselves, Ukraine can fuck themselves, and you can can as well.


I will never understand how willing people are to gobble some cock on one side or the other of this issue.
Nov 16 2022 6:57PM
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SofaKingSick
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T.L.k..

Fact finding and looking for accurate sources is defending Russia how??

Russia can fuck themselves, Ukraine can fuck themselves, and you can can as well.


dude we "normies" as you call us weren't born yesterday, i know where you get all this shit, it's all the exact same hillbilly shit my father in law quotes every day, i know exactly what you're doing. you're trying to root for russia but it's tough because not only are they complete shitheads and clearly in the wrong, they're also completely incompetent

so you just make these weak oblique attacks on ukraine and their supporters and then say "no fuck everyone" when you get questioned on it

have fun trying to root for russia, it's going to get harder and harder man


ASSholebomber22I will never understand how willing people are to gobble some cock on one side or the other of this issue.


naw dude the crazy thing is people finding ways to muddy the waters and pretend the two sides are even remotely comparable. straight Internet Douchebag nonsense, there is nothing more 2022 than these tards "no man you're just a sheep, here's why the russians invading isn't that bad/they were forced to do it blah blah blah." get fucked, honestly, y'all sounds like ahmet trying to carry water for putin, it's pathetic
Nov 17 2022 9:31AM
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ASSholebomber22
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SofaKingSickdude we "normies" as you call us weren't born yesterday, i know where you get all this shit, it's all the exact same hillbilly shit my father in law quotes every day, i know exactly what you're doing. you're trying to root for russia but it's tough because not only are they complete shitheads and clearly in the wrong, they're also completely incompetent

so you just make these weak oblique attacks on ukraine and their supporters and then say "no fuck everyone" when you get questioned on it

have fun trying to root for russia, it's going to get harder and harder man




naw dude the crazy thing is people finding ways to muddy the waters and pretend the two sides are even remotely comparable. straight Internet Douchebag nonsense, there is nothing more 2022 than these tards "no man you're just a sheep, here's why the russians invading isn't that bad/they were forced to do it blah blah blah." get fucked, honestly, y'all sounds like ahmet trying to carry water for putin, it's pathetic


First of all, calm down killer lmao

Second of all, I would never condone Russia's attack on Ukraine.

Third of all, you know Ukraine has literal nazi military regimens right? Call it what you want but it's hilarious seeing people sweep that under the rug trying to take a side.

And lastly, the amount of propaganda and disinformation out there is astounding. I genuinely feel like people with no firsthand experience in this war have no idea what's actually going on.

But keep bitching online dude, especially to people just trynna figure out what's actually going down. That's really what'll make putin shake in his boots.
Nov 17 2022 9:53AM
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T.L.
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SofaKingSickdude we "normies" as you call us weren't born yesterday, i know where you get all this shit, it's all the exact same hillbilly shit my father in law quotes every day, i know exactly what you're doing. you're trying to root for russia but it's tough because not only are they complete shitheads and clearly in the wrong, they're also completely incompetent

so you just make these weak oblique attacks on ukraine and their supporters and then say "no fuck everyone" when you get questioned on it

have fun trying to root for russia, it's going to get harder and harder man




naw dude the crazy thing is people finding ways to muddy the waters and pretend the two sides are even remotely comparable. straight Internet Douchebag nonsense, there is nothing more 2022 than these tards "no man you're just a sheep, here's why the russians invading isn't that bad/they were forced to do it blah blah blah." get fucked, honestly, y'all sounds like ahmet trying to carry water for putin, it's pathetic


ok, schizo.

you're literally nuts with all that shit you just typed.
Nov 17 2022 10:02AM
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SofaKingSick
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ASSholebomber22First of all, calm down killer lmao

Second of all, I would never condone Russia's attack on Ukraine.

Third of all, you know Ukraine has literal nazi military regimens right? Call it what you want but it's hilarious seeing people sweep that under the rug trying to take a side.

And lastly, the amount of propaganda and disinformation out there is astounding. I genuinely feel like people with no firsthand experience in this war have no idea what's actually going on.

But keep bitching online dude, especially to people just trynna figure out what's actually going down. That's really what'll make putin shake in his boots.


that's a perfect example, that nazi regiment shit is such a red herring, has nothing to do with the war at all and there is literally almost 0 super-far-right (nazi) activity in ukraine's government, they got like 2% votes last time IIRC. do you really think that has anything to do with the cause of this war?

and "no one has any idea what's going on" is just untrue or youre being lazy. this is the most documented war in history by a long shot, obviously there is propaganda and misinformation but that's why it exists, so people like you go "well golly i'm confused, i'll just accept that no one really knows"

T.L.ok, schizo.

you're literally nuts with all that shit you just typed.


you're literally nuts for rooting for russia and thinking youre enlightened by your crackpot internet sources
Nov 17 2022 10:47AM
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ASSholebomber22
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SofaKingSickthat's a perfect example, that nazi regiment shit is such a red herring, has nothing to do with the war at all and there is literally almost 0 super-far-right (nazi) activity in ukraine's government, they got like 2% votes last time IIRC. do you really think that has anything to do with the cause of this war?

and "no one has any idea what's going on" is just untrue or youre being lazy. this is the most documented war in history by a long shot, obviously there is propaganda and misinformation but that's why it exists, so people like you go "well golly i'm confused, i'll just accept that no one really knows"


Did you miss where I said I don't condone russia invading Ukraine? My point is that Ukraine's shifty as fuck, always has been. I saw everyone bust a nut over the ghost of kyiv, snake island, etc only to have the rug pulled out from underneath them, and you're even justifying them having literal nazis in their ranks. I'm not pro russia but that doesn't mean I'm gonna rally for ukraine after such blatant propaganda and misinformation.
Nov 17 2022 11:02AM
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T.L.
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SofaKingSickthat's a perfect example, that nazi regiment shit is such a red herring, has nothing to do with the war at all and there is literally almost 0 super-far-right (nazi) activity in ukraine's government, they got like 2% votes last time IIRC. do you really think that has anything to do with the cause of this war?

and "no one has any idea what's going on" is just untrue or youre being lazy. this is the most documented war in history by a long shot, obviously there is propaganda and misinformation but that's why it exists, so people like you go "well golly i'm confused, i'll just accept that no one really knows"



you're literally nuts for rooting for russia and thinking youre enlightened by your crackpot internet sources


ok, schizo.
Nov 17 2022 11:07AM
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SofaKingSick
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ASSholebomber22Did you miss where I said I don't condone russia invading Ukraine? My point is that Ukraine's shifty as fuck, always has been. I saw everyone bust a nut over the ghost of kyiv, snake island, etc only to have the rug pulled out from underneath them, and you're even justifying them having literal nazis in their ranks. I'm not pro russia but that doesn't mean I'm gonna rally for ukraine after such blatant propaganda and misinformation.


ukraine has been trying to escape its "shifty" soviet style past, that's basically the entire point of this war man. they've handled themselves super well throughout the war so far

why are you even bringing up these insignificant pieces? snake island dude became an icon because he was being engaged by the enemy and told them to fuck themselves, and then he got captured. how was anyone to know what happened to him? and the ghost of kyiv was just typical war propaganda/myth, multiple fighter jets went ham defending the place and people on the ground started acting like it was mostly one dude. hasn't changed a single thing about the war

and i definitely didn't "justify them having literal nazis in their ranks," it's just a nothingburger. we have literal nazis here in the US, do we deserve to be invaded?

idk man it's just disappointing that we can't even agree on things like this anymore. russia invades for no reason, purposely attacking civilians as part of their protocol, and people on the internet are going "oh well idk man, it turns out that snake island guy didn't die, let's just be dismissive about the whole thing"
Nov 17 2022 11:15AM
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SofaKingSick
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SofaKingSickwhy are you even bringing up these insignificant pieces? snake island dude became an icon because he was being engaged by the enemy and told them to fuck themselves, and then he got captured. how was anyone to know what happened to him? and the ghost of kyiv was just typical war propaganda/myth, multiple fighter jets went ham defending the place and people on the ground started acting like it was mostly one dude. hasn't changed a single thing about the war


like, imagine canada was a piece of shit autocracy and invaded us. you're defending your home city and rooting for the badass fighter jocks protecting your sky, and some people start to build it up a mythos about it

and then some dicks on the internet are like well i don't condone the invasion, but jeez i just can't stop talking about that clear myth you guys talked about while saving your country..! that was a real black eye!
Nov 17 2022 11:20AM
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ASSholebomber22
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SofaKingSicklike, imagine canada was a piece of shit autocracy and invaded us. you're defending your home city and rooting for the badass fighter jocks protecting your sky, and some people start to build it up a mythos about it

and then some dicks on the internet are like well i don't condone the invasion, but jeez i just can't stop talking about that clear myth you guys talked about while saving your country..! that was a real black eye!


Idk man I'm just not gonna be the guy that justifies state sponsored nazis and embellishing heroic acts for propaganda purposes. I feel for the innocent civlians, I really do. War is hell.
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SofaKingSick
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ASSholebomber22Idk man I'm just not gonna be the guy that justifies state sponsored nazis and embellishing heroic acts for propaganda purposes. I feel for the innocent civlians, I really do. War is hell.


mm yes very balanced and nuanced, instead youre repeating russia's supposed casus belli for the war (i'm sure you know that's what they claimed, and i'm sure you know that's not why they invaded) and putting war myth-making on the same level as the genocidal invasion itself

you're complaining about propaganda but you're listing the lowest forms of it as your main thoughts on the war. like literally even russia doesn't bang on that drum much anymore

have whatever opinion you want i guess, i'm just really bummed that we can't even agree that a genocidal invasion of a fledgling liberal democracy is unequivocally bad anymore
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SofaKingSickmm yes very balanced and nuanced, instead youre repeating russia's supposed casus belli for the war (i'm sure you know that's what they claimed, and i'm sure you know that's not why they invaded) and putting war myth-making on the same level as the genocidal invasion itself

you're complaining about propaganda but you're listing the lowest forms of it as your main thoughts on the war. like literally even russia doesn't bang on that drum much anymore

have whatever opinion you want i guess, i'm just really bummed that we can't even agree that a genocidal invasion of a fledgling liberal democracy is unequivocally bad anymore


Never said it wasn't bad. You can believe the invasion was unjust yet still be critical of supporting ukraine. Jesus dude.
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SofaKingSickmm yes very balanced and nuanced, instead youre repeating russia's supposed casus belli for the war (i'm sure you know that's what they claimed, and i'm sure you know that's not why they invaded) and putting war myth-making on the same level as the genocidal invasion itself

you're complaining about propaganda but you're listing the lowest forms of it as your main thoughts on the war. like literally even russia doesn't bang on that drum much anymore

have whatever opinion you want i guess, i'm just really bummed that we can't even agree that a genocidal invasion of a fledgling liberal democracy is unequivocally bad anymore


you're barking up the wrong tree here man, you're arguing with people who are either 1. absolutely moronic, someone who repeats everything they read online or 2. complete trolls that thrive when normal people react to their dogshit opinons that are clearly manufactured to trigger people.

**This post was edited on Nov 17th 2022 at 12:03:40pm
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ASSholebomber22
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eheathyou're barking up the wrong tree here man, you're arguing with people who are either 1. absolutely moronic, someone who repeats everything they read online or 2. complete trolls that thrive when normal people react to their dogshit opinons that are clearly manufactured to trigger people.

**This post was edited on Nov 17th 2022 at 12:03:40pm

Shit dude. You got me. Being skeptical about current affairs is just moronic and repeating everything I read online. You're the biggest (read: fattest) npc on NS.
Nov 17 2022 12:14PM
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eheath
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ASSholebomber22Shit dude. You got me. Being skeptical about current affairs is just moronic and repeating everything I read online. You're the biggest (read: fattest) npc on NS.


I hope for your own sake that you're just a troll. The shit you (and many others) post on this website is appalling. Calling me an NPC just further justifies my observations, you'd rather win an internet fight than post a reasonable opinion.
Nov 17 2022 12:15PM
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SofaKingSick
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eheathyou're barking up the wrong tree here man, you're arguing with people who are either 1. absolutely moronic, someone who repeats everything they read online or 2. complete trolls that thrive when normal people react to their dogshit opinons that are clearly manufactured to trigger people.

**This post was edited on Nov 17th 2022 at 12:03:40pm


i know, i'm dumb to engage, i just hate the idea of people reading this who don't pay attention and having this stuff lead their thinking
Nov 17 2022 12:16PM
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eheath
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SofaKingSicki know, i'm dumb to engage, i just hate the idea of people reading this who don't pay attention and having this stuff lead their thinking


This isn't unique to NS, reddit is filled with people like biffbarf, zues, TL, milfhuner, yungona, etc people who just post bullshit cause they either 1. believe it's true (idiots) or 2. get great satisfaction out of triggering people. Both are stupid, I understand the latter at least, but there are true nut jobs out there (and on this website) that believe everything they post and tbh its just sad.
Nov 17 2022 12:19PM
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ASSholebomber22
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eheathI hope for your own sake that you're just a troll. The shit you (and many others) post on this website is appalling. Calling me an NPC just further justifies my observations, you'd rather win an internet fight than post a reasonable opinion.


SofaKingSicki know, i'm dumb to engage, i just hate the idea of people reading this who don't pay attention and having this stuff lead their thinking


You guys seriously don't see how it's weird to be so hard dick about a nation with nazis in it's military who has repeatedly made fake propaganda to garner support? Berate me, belittle me, and illicit all the emotional response you'd like. But I haven't been wrong.
Nov 17 2022 12:23PM
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SofaKingSick
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eheathThis isn't unique to NS, reddit is filled with people like biffbarf, zues, TL, milfhuner, yungona, etc people who just post bullshit cause they either 1. believe it's true (idiots) or 2. get great satisfaction out of triggering people. Both are stupid, I understand the latter at least, but there are true nut jobs out there (and on this website) that believe everything they post and tbh its just sad.


oh i didn't realize til now that the pink balloon knot guy is one of those "call everyone an NPC" guys, that explains this entire exchange
Nov 17 2022 12:24PM
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SofaKingSick
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ASSholebomber22You guys seriously don't see how it's weird to be so hard dick about a nation with nazis in it's military who has repeatedly made fake propaganda to garner support? Berate me, belittle me, and illicit all the emotional response you'd like. But I haven't been wrong.


dude no one is bullying you, i'm just questioning your weak ideas on the topic

that's great you want to be a skeptic but being skeptical doesn't stop at "question everything." the shit you're repeating is stuff that you move past on day 1 if you put just a tiny bit of effort in

also idk if you spend much time with military folks but if we're going to vilify every country that has some tiny percentage of extremist idiots in its military, we'll have to throw em all out

re: propaganda, we staged the famous shot of planting the flag on iwo jima. would you bring that up in a discussion on who was the good guy and bad guy in ww2? no you wouldn't because that would be fucking retarded
Nov 17 2022 12:30PM
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eheath
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ASSholebomber22You guys seriously don't see how it's weird to be so hard dick about a nation with nazis in it's military who has repeatedly made fake propaganda to garner support? Berate me, belittle me, and illicit all the emotional response you'd like. But I haven't been wrong.



Nov 17 2022 12:31PM
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ASSholebomber22
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SofaKingSickdude no one is bullying you, i'm just questioning your weak ideas on the topic

that's great you want to be a skeptic but being skeptical doesn't stop at "question everything." the shit you're repeating is stuff that you move past on day 1 if you put just a tiny bit of effort in

also idk if you spend much time with military folks but if we're going to vilify every country that has some tiny percentage of extremist idiots in its military, we'll have to throw em all out

re: propaganda, we staged the famous shot of planting the flag on iwo jima. would you bring that up in a discussion on who was the good guy and bad guy in ww2? no you wouldn't because that would be fucking retarded


Eheath berated and belittled me in his post without acknowledging anything I've posted, you've been alright.

I've served in the US military. While systems aren't perfect to disallow extremists, US military members swear an oath to defend the constitution against enemies foreign and domestic, and even if someone who is a fascist slips thru the ranks there is no way in hell would they be allowed to form a unit based on their extremist beliefs. This is the fundamental difference and why I have such a hard time with it.

I don't like the propganda regardless of what side. The US has also used propeganda with the gulf of tonkin, the bay of pigs, the korean 'conflict'. They've proved they'll lie about good, and they'll lie about bad. I do not like being lied to, it will erode my trust regardless of the cause.

Again, I'm NOT saying I support russia, but I'm also not interested at all in being team america world police for Ukraine for the reasons above.
Nov 17 2022 12:45PM
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eheath
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ASSholebomber22Eheath berated and belittled me in his post without acknowledging anything I've posted

this is rich coming from a guy who downvotes EVERY POST i make out of spite. play stupid games, get stupid prizes.
Nov 17 2022 12:52PM
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ASSholebomber22
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eheaththis is rich coming from a guy who downvotes EVERY POST i make out of spite. play stupid games, get stupid prizes.


Dude. Maybe make a non-mod alt where it won't tickle your ass so much to see who downvoted you.
Nov 17 2022 12:58PM
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Lonely
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ASSholebomber22Shit dude. You got me. Being skeptical about current affairs is just moronic


Seems that the skepticism in this case though is really just as one sided as the people you're being critical of

If someone was talking about Russia using Wagner group, and their neonazis ties, I wouldn't necessarily agree with it but I could see a comparison to the small group of neonazis in Ukraine.

But when someone says "Hey, the bombing of civilian infrastructure, killing of civilians, lying to their own troops, imprisoning dissenesents, and occupating and invading a European country in the 21st century that they signed treaties with not to invade... Is pretty shitty" and the "skeptic" response "well you can't really tell, Ukraine does bad things too and they have a very small group of neonazis" it kinda seems like your just carrying water for Russia.

I think everyone who isn't some rabid neolib understands that it's war, and that Ukraine engages in bad activities. People are probably a little more focused on Russia though, because they are doing those same things at a much greater scale. It just feel like the "skeptics" aren't actually skeptics. They just go way off in the other directions. Reads more like contrairianism than skepticism

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