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ObwonI'm still rocking my Salomon spk's from 10+years ago.
Do full tilts offer more performance?
What other brands do park specific ski boots?
mystery3I don't know if anything on the market has the massive bucket like fit of the spk.
Current full tilts are basically the same as they have been for 35+ years.
Don't worry about "park boots" There's really no such thing and some of the biggest freestyle skiers in the world ride straight up race boots, just get one that fits well.
ObwonSounds like you don't hit jumps. I don't design boots but the 1080 and Spk we're the only boots that weren't brutal to jump in. Both park specific boots so I am concerned about it. Pros riding perfectly groomed parks and rarely making mistakes can probably get a way with a stiffer boot that gives them better control. Just get a boot that fits lol. Thanks for advice
driftsyou came here for asking whats changed in the ski boot realm in the last 10 years and now you wanna argue with the people who know more than you and are trying to help? fuck you. also buy full tilts
LogiNo need to get so boot bro
r00kieThis thread is why the end of the Full Tilt brand may be a good thing. There is no such thing as a park boot but so many clueless kids and bootfitters labeled ft as such and therefore weren't buying the boot that was actually best for them.
SchoessHere come the downvotes but...
Firstly in my experience Full Tilts are not always the best option. Many many friends and people I know have had Full Tilts break after less than a season on them (buckles, cables, tounge mount, etc).
Secondly a 3 buckle boot does not properly fit everyone's foot to prevent heel lift, give you control with comfort, etc.
Lastly, while a 3 piece boot gives a more progressive flex in the park and you'll for sure get laid riding B&E boots, what will ultimately be much better than that is having whatever boot actually fits your foot the best. Even if that's a rando boot like previously stated here. I am currently riding an Atomic normie boot because it far and away felt the best from every boot I tried on. Listen to your bootfitter and don't be stuck on 1 brand of boot if your feet are not vibing.
SchoessHere come the downvotes but...
Firstly in my experience Full Tilts are not always the best option. Many many friends and people I know have had Full Tilts break after less than a season on them (buckles, cables, tounge mount, etc).
Secondly a 3 buckle boot does not properly fit everyone's foot to prevent heel lift, give you control with comfort, etc.
Lastly, while a 3 piece boot gives a more progressive flex in the park and you'll for sure get laid riding B&E boots, what will ultimately be much better than that is having whatever boot actually fits your foot the best. Even if that's a rando boot like previously stated here. I am currently riding an Atomic normie boot because it far and away felt the best from every boot I tried on. Listen to your bootfitter and don't be stuck on 1 brand of boot if your feet are not vibing.
ajbskiThere are obvious benefits of the 3 piece design for park skiers. the flex (resistance) of the boot is more consistent through out the entire range of motion of the boot compared to a traditional dual cuff. traditional boots only flex so far before they start distorting in shape and get crazy stiff. i think you need that increased consistent range of motion skiing park.
on another note, FT were the first boots i had with the wrap intuition liner and i havent had any other liner since. except for my touring boot. i think putting a wrap intuition liner into any boot makes it more suitable for park. i also put some dr.schols gel foot beds in my fischers to help with the impacts a bit.
k2 is probably axeing the "FT" brand just to reduce marketing costs. from what i understand, they are still going to produce the three piece.
Piss_BoyMy feet haven't vibed in years
Schoess"need" is a strong word
Also putting Dr Schols in ur boots is some hood shit LOL
There's a reason SuperFeet are not just rebranded Dr Schols, it's not really the correct application.
ajbskiyoure right. maybe not need. but the forgiviness is nice regardless of what level youre at. landing wrong in a 130 flex boots just staright up hurts.
again, youre right. its not the right application. but there is no doubt that it adds a bit of squish to the heel of the boot.
ive seen these shock absorbing foot beds on instagram. the ad has some guy dropping a bowling ball on a cinder block with and without the foot bed. the foot bed stopped the block from exploding. anyone tried those? they claim its for skateboarding impacts
r00kieThere is no such thing as a park boot
SchoessI actually use Dr Schols in all of my skate shoes and hiking boots. They're dope and work well, I just think if you overshoot a 50 ft jump, its gunna hurt anyway and insoles arn't going to solve that. Ski insoles are much more about planting your foot than they are shock absorption. I've been riding boots without it for awhile and I think I have better feel because of it. Also I'm not convinced my last boots that did have it really made that much of a difference.
cydwhitThis thread is already a dumpster fire, so here's some more gas for the flames:
The words "progressive flex" get thrown around a lot in relation to Full Tilts, which is funny, since they are actually marketed as having a more linear flex (something three piece boots generally have in common).
I'd be pretty shocked if most average skiers (myself included) can actually "feel" the difference between a linear and progressive flexing boot in a blind test. But for some reason we like to get all uppity like "I only ski Full Tilt because of their progressive flex" when in reality a cheapo overlap rental boot probably has a more progressive flex than you beloved B&E's.
Get a boot that fits you well. Don't get hung up in the marketing. Ski in it until it's stinky.
ObwonFrom what I've seen it seems like 'freestyle' boots are more likely to have impact/compression pad on bottom of boot or more of one. I have custom like running inserts you think those think those would be good to put in boot?
cydwhitThis thread is already a dumpster fire, so here's some more gas for the flames:
The words "progressive flex" get thrown around a lot in relation to Full Tilts, which is funny, since they are actually marketed as having a more linear flex (something three piece boots generally have in common).
I'd be pretty shocked if most average skiers (myself included) can actually "feel" the difference between a linear and progressive flexing boot in a blind test. But for some reason we like to get all uppity like "I only ski Full Tilt because of their progressive flex" when in reality a cheapo overlap rental boot probably has a more progressive flex than you beloved B&E's.
Get a boot that fits you well. Don't get hung up in the marketing. Ski in it until it's stinky.
tomPietrowskiThank you Cy. 3piece are generally much more linear and its this characteristic which really lends its self to freestyle and why you are seeing them all over the freestyle events at Beijing and nowhere in the alpine events.
But its interesting what you say about not feeling the difference. I actually think people could potentially. We are working on two projects currently, a new overlap and the new 3 piece boot so i'm skiing both back to back pretty regularly. I actually think you should be able to tell the difference as they should have different characteristics to the flex. This is an important factor and why we are not just trying to make a 3pice boot feel like an overlap. The differences can be subtle sure but we are really working on fine tuning the differences as if we didn't it makes no sense to make both really. If 3piece ski like overlap then just make an overlap boot. Both types have a reason to exist and getting the best out of both styles is a big part
cydwhitInteresting! That was purely conjecture on my end, but I do think that if you put an overlap and a three piece boot in some sort of wrap so the skier had no idea what was on their feet, and they fit identically, most skiers on this site couldn’t reliably say which was which. But I could be way off the mark and I’m very interested in seeing where the projects you mentioned lead!
tomPietrowskiI change the toe box shape slightly too to give the big toe some room for the inevitable back seat landings
ajbskiwhat do you mean by this? you grinding it out from the inside?
tomPietrowskiNo just punching it to be more square and slightly longer on the big toe side.
ajbskiso on the side?
ive had some shop techs telling me they cant punch the toe because of some problems with bindings. i have problems with my big toe smashing into the front of my boot and have grinded them out, but it didnt help much.
could you maybe possibly please share some pictures of what you did? ... please? and thank-you?
tomPietrowskiLastly I build up the heel of the boot board with a soft intuition foam. This adds some shock absorbing properties but also raises the ramp angle slightly making it feel slightly more similar to an FTS although not to the same extreme of that.
Now admittedly a lot of this may be more personal stuff for me but having skied park for 20 years now and knowing boots very well I can say these boots are some of the best I have used for park in a long time.
tomPietrowskiAlso I just wanted to add that I actually do think there are some things which can make a boot more suitable for park. I actually built myself a "park" boot this year as non of our inline models were exactly what I wanted.
I have a 130 lower shell which is nice and stiff but then i add to that a softer upper cuff. I like this mix as the lower shell is good and stiff and has a powerful flex you can push into but the cuff has a little more give making it better for slower speed movements and also big hits as it gives slightly more than a stiffer cuff would.
Beyond that I add our powerplate and a spoiler from an FTS. This allows me to build up the height in both the front and back but in a softer material than using a taller cuff for example.
I change the toe box shape slightly too to give the big toe some room for the inevitable back seat landings
Lastly I build up the heel of the boot board with a soft intuition foam. This adds some shock absorbing properties but also raises the ramp angle slightly making it feel slightly more similar to an FTS although not to the same extreme of that.
Now admittedly a lot of this may be more personal stuff for me but having skied park for 20 years now and knowing boots very well I can say these boots are some of the best I have used for park in a long time.
A lot of this is done in our new Recon 120+ which will be out in the next week or two so some of you may want to check those out.
mrk127These boots you talk of sound so cool. I've been thinking about grinding my boot board a little bit and adding some cushion under my liner but had no idea what kind of material to use. So you are saying you use foam from intuition?
tomPietrowskiAlso I just wanted to add that I actually do think there are some things which can make a boot more suitable for park. I actually built myself a "park" boot this year as non of our inline models were exactly what I wanted.
I have a 130 lower shell which is nice and stiff but then i add to that a softer upper cuff. I like this mix as the lower shell is good and stiff and has a powerful flex you can push into but the cuff has a little more give making it better for slower speed movements and also big hits as it gives slightly more than a stiffer cuff would.
Beyond that I add our powerplate and a spoiler from an FTS. This allows me to build up the height in both the front and back but in a softer material than using a taller cuff for example.
I change the toe box shape slightly too to give the big toe some room for the inevitable back seat landings
Lastly I build up the heel of the boot board with a soft intuition foam. This adds some shock absorbing properties but also raises the ramp angle slightly making it feel slightly more similar to an FTS although not to the same extreme of that.
Now admittedly a lot of this may be more personal stuff for me but having skied park for 20 years now and knowing boots very well I can say these boots are some of the best I have used for park in a long time.
A lot of this is done in our new Recon 120+ which will be out in the next week or two so some of you may want to check those out.
animatorPer that last bit Tom, do you mean the recon 120 plus that has the 2 different colored boots?
