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Matej actually won big air?

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GrandThings
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Anybody else see the post in his story? Scored two 48s on different tricks, resulting in a total of 96, that would have beat AHall - but they were incorrectly logged as the same nose butter 19 and therefore didn't count.

Am I misunderstanding this? Feel like there already would have been a thread on this because it might be the wackest thing I've seen come out of Xgames
Jan 27 2022 4:40PM
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theabortionator
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What tricks were they? I know they were saying they counted a roght sode 10 and 12 as the same because it's adding a 180 to the same rotation.

I wasn't paying that close attention though.
Jan 27 2022 4:43PM
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little1337
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Bring me back to the good old days of Simon's dub front winning gold :)





I'm kidding btw, who's got the pitchforks?
Jan 27 2022 4:50PM
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KCoCM
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idk why they removed the left and right spin tequirement, it’s the easiest way to just flat out say whether or not the trick is different
Jan 27 2022 4:51PM
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GrandThings
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theabortionatorWhat tricks were they? I know they were saying they counted a roght sode 10 and 12 as the same because it's adding a 180 to the same rotation.

I wasn't paying that close attention though.


One was a trip 19 and one was a quad. I guess maybe that makes sense, but those feel like pretty damn different tricks to me.
Jan 27 2022 4:54PM
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Andi_G
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GrandThingsOne was a trip 19 and one was a quad. I guess maybe that makes sense, but those feel like pretty damn different tricks to me.


One was switch and one was a nosebutter right? Along with the differing number of corks. Some bs for sure
Jan 27 2022 5:00PM
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GrandThings
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AndrewGravesSVOne was switch and one was a nosebutter right? Along with the differing number of corks. Some bs for sure


Wow yep didn't even realize that - the quad was switch
Jan 27 2022 5:02PM
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KCoCM
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regardless of spin direction if one trick is switch and one is forward they’re definitely different tricks imo
GrandThingsWow yep didn't even realize that - the quad was switch
Jan 27 2022 5:05PM
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TheDriftingDad
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Last time I checked its a lot harder to do a quad than a triple
Jan 27 2022 5:12PM
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mrk127
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https://www.instagram.com/p/CZPeVxFtthR/


lol his caption. Man is not stoked

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Jan 27 2022 5:13PM
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SSteezle
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I was wondering how his second trick didn't score better than a 36. So whack. Everyone slayed it but Matej deserved the win and apparently did win. I hope they get him his medal
Jan 27 2022 5:59PM
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theabortionator
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little1337Bring me back to the good old days of Simon's dub front winning gold :)





I'm kidding btw, who's got the pitchforks?


That was such a painful moment. Thank jebus they got rid of fan voting.
Jan 27 2022 6:04PM
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BLandz
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If AHall was a beauty he would give the gold to Matej but at the same time I don't blame him for not doing it considering the fact that Matej will probably go on the craziest win streak of all time after this
Jan 27 2022 6:17PM
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SSteezle
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The judges at Xgames are terrible. It's not fair to the athletes who podium'd, or to Matej. Judges clearly don't even know the tricks the skiers are throwing anymore.
Jan 27 2022 6:44PM
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asparagus
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theabortionatorWhat tricks were they? I know they were saying they counted a roght sode 10 and 12 as the same because it's adding a 180 to the same rotation.

I wasn't paying that close attention though.


GrandThingsOne was a trip 19 and one was a quad. I guess maybe that makes sense, but those feel like pretty damn different tricks to me.


AndrewGravesSVOne was switch and one was a nosebutter right? Along with the differing number of corks. Some bs for sure


GrandThingsWow yep didn't even realize that - the quad was switch


KCoCMregardless of spin direction if one trick is switch and one is forward they’re definitely different tricks imo


TheDriftingDadLast time I checked its a lot harder to do a quad than a triple


SSteezleI was wondering how his second trick didn't score better than a 36. So whack. Everyone slayed it but Matej deserved the win and apparently did win. I hope they get him his medal


What??? The 48s were for his nosebutter triple 19 safety and nosebutter double 19 japan. The judges plugged in “nosebutter 19” and it counted as the same trick. I think it’s wrong, but that’s what happened. Also the judges probably counted the quad as a triple because the third flip was more of a spin. That’s why the quad only scored high 30s.
Jan 27 2022 6:50PM
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asparagus
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KCoCMidk why they removed the left and right spin tequirement, it’s the easiest way to just flat out say whether or not the trick is different

Henrik flat-out asked them to change it, the reason:

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Jan 27 2022 6:54PM
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yungsteeze
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asparagusWhat??? The 48s were for his nosebutter triple 19 safety and nosebutter double 19 japan. The judges plugged in “nosebutter 19” and it counted as the same trick. I think it’s wrong, but that’s what happened. Also the judges probably counted the quad as a triple because the third flip was more of a spin. That’s why the quad only scored high 30s.


indeed. I was wondering if the judges' reasoning was that he took of forward and spun left both times but i know they don't have that requirement anymore.. i think either way a dub 19 bUiCK and sw dub 21 BuICk are more similar than a dub and a triple with different grabs. future spin gotta win i suppose
Jan 27 2022 7:01PM
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Chrischi69
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I love a hall but matej got absolutely robbed
Jan 27 2022 7:19PM
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theabortionator
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Honestly the bigger the spins get and the more everyone has them it's going to get harder to judge. Both how to rank 1 against another, and then the nuances of the trick on top of that.
Jan 27 2022 7:33PM
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SkierPT
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Matej is about to win the next 5+ years.
Hopefully the X-games sale will bring a better future for the event.
Jan 27 2022 11:59PM
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snomaster
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We figured this out in the official games thread and the NS article on the event notes this controversy in the opening lines.
According the the rules stated during the broadcast, Matej clearly should have won.
but Alex went to the future and stole that shit.
Jan 28 2022 12:18AM
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skierman
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Member when future spins were a joke because everyone thought they were impossible?
Jan 28 2022 8:45AM
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abcdefu
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KCoCMidk why they removed the left and right spin tequirement, it’s the easiest way to just flat out say whether or not the trick is different


I think mandating right and left turns definitely leaves no room for discrepancy in differentiating tricks- but idk, pretty obvious to me both Matej's tricks were notably different so I think the judges fucked up.

Also I think removing it does allow for competitors to really work on throwing their craziest tricks down since they don't have to worry about throwing an unnatural trick if they don't want to, which could ultimately lead to more progression.
Jan 28 2022 11:14AM
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asparagus
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Leave left and right tricks for slopestyle, big air is all about bucking the most insane stuff possible
Jan 28 2022 11:24AM
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Angioedema
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SSteezleThe judges at Xgames are terrible. It's not fair to the athletes who podium'd, or to Matej. Judges clearly don't even know the tricks the skiers are throwing anymore.


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Jan 28 2022 3:25PM
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jakeordie
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skiermanMember when future spins were a joke because everyone thought they were impossible?

Judas and Pilate did 180s in 33 AD
Jan 28 2022 3:31PM
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yungsteeze
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jakeordieJudas and Pilate did 180s in 33 AD


lol i doubt judas and pilate ever skied but skiing is thought to have existed since around 5,000 years ago so future spins must have been commonplace assuming anybody was catching some air
Jan 28 2022 3:39PM
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GrandThings
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yungsteezelol i doubt judas and pilate ever skied but skiing is thought to have existed since around 5,000 years ago so future spins must have been commonplace assuming anybody was catching some air


John the Baptist did a 180 and people were like "damn spin to win huh"
Jan 28 2022 4:56PM
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marrows
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x games is whack regardless of this clown shit m8
Jan 28 2022 5:43PM
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armchair_skier
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@AlexHall thoughts?
Jan 28 2022 6:11PM
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