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if you're a younger teenager who's getting into park then marker squires are honestly fine imo. No need for 14 din bindings like pivots when you're riding at 7.
switchlip2Don’t get pivots till your skiing ability actually benefits from them. I see people on directional all mountain skis with pivots shit makes me cringe
lol wtf is the problem with pivots on directionals?
switchlip2It was a pair of head kore 87s and I gurantee the guy riding has never left the ground on skis
You don’t have to jump/drop on your skis to benefit from Pivots….. the elasticity means that even people who rip groomers really fucking hard don’t prerelease… this is an L opinion
kj.read is great though if you want something that makes you wanna claw your eyes out, like that one where he calls his gaper girlfriend a gaper and a bitch lmao
At least get attacks. Squires are only good for complete beginners.
Christian_Baleif you're a younger teenager who's getting into park then marker squires are honestly fine imo. No need for 14 din bindings like pivots when you're riding at 7.
Christian_Baleif you're a younger teenager who's getting into park then marker squires are honestly fine imo. No need for 14 din bindings like pivots when you're riding at 7.
I mean, Squires are a lot of plastic.. yeah? They give off some Z10 vibes haha
Coleg55At least get attacks. Squires are only good for complete beginners.
yeah attacks would be better, but I disagree that they're for complete beginners. If you're 12 years old and trying to slide your first tube I honestly think that they'd get the job done.
switchlip2Don’t get pivots till your skiing ability actually benefits from them. I see people on directional all mountain skis with pivots shit makes me cringe
Your complete lack of knowledge about a binding that existed decades before a terrain park existed, and even longer before skiers were allowed in them is the cringe.
Christian_Baleif you're a younger teenager who's getting into park then marker squires are honestly fine imo. No need for 14 din bindings like pivots when you're riding at 7.
I switched from marker squires to pivot 14s and my din is only 6.5. Pretty big difference. No more pre-releases, I can actually butter while having my skis release correctly when I fall, so no more cranking dins.
asparagusI switched from marker squires to pivot 14s and my din is only 6.5. Pretty big difference. No more pre-releases, I can actually butter while having my skis release correctly when I fall, so no more cranking dins.
Bro just let people use what bindings they like. I use pivots because I like the low structure, the consistency on release, and the multi function pivoting heelpiece/dildo.
Also my local shop sells them for under retail and then often has sales on top of that. Are some thats gonna get mad that I uses those bindings even though I can't cork 7?
Yeah. no need to be crazy to ride pivots. They change the dynamic and make the releases more predictable. They can be a pain to put back on in some instances like pow, but if you can snag em for 220 from Corbets for the 15s, why get any other binding apart from preference?
SmokedGoudaYeah. no need to be crazy to ride pivots. They change the dynamic and make the releases more predictable. They can be a pain to put back on in some instances like pow, but if you can snag em for 220 from Corbets for the 15s, why get any other binding apart from preference?
Exactly, corbetts is my local shop. I'm there like 10x a season lmfao
switchlip2Don’t get pivots till your skiing ability actually benefits from them. I see people on directional all mountain skis with pivots shit makes me cringe
Icant_kfedPeople were giving me shit on that post for telling people not to get pivots if you can’t ski
switchlip2It was a pair of head kore 87s and I gurantee the guy riding has never left the ground on skis
Wait...arent these two assholes saying the same thing? Why is the one post being up voted? Did the double negatives confuse y'all? Icantkfed literally just said he told people who can't ski to avoid getting pivots.
Who fucking cares where you ski, what you ski, or how good you are. As long as the din setting is cool and the binding category is correct for its usage, then it doesn't matter. You don't need a specific type of ski or ability to rock one binding or another. Sheesh.
HypeBeastWait...arent these two assholes saying the same thing? Why is the one post being up voted? Did the double negatives confuse y'all? Icantkfed literally just said he told people who can't ski to avoid getting pivots.
Who fucking cares where you ski, what you ski, or how good you are. As long as the din setting is cool and the binding category is correct for its usage, then it doesn't matter. You don't need a specific type of ski or ability to rock one binding or another. Sheesh.
Switchlip being downvoted for saying pivots shouldn’t go on directionals probably
I was about to post this haha. Well in that case enjoy some photos of some old Marker turntable (Pivot) designs (MRR and Rotomat's). I'm far far too young for this, but I'm pretty sure the turntable design dominated for a while across many brands. Maybe the old dudes on the Skitalk forums know.
hate me if you want, but my current park whips are 171 elan sling shots with squires. i weigh 180lbs and im 5'10". the dins are set to 10 and ive never pre-released throwing cork 5s/7s off of medium jumps. the whole set up cost like $400 cad. when you go through a pair of skis or bindings every other year it does not make sense to spend more unless you are competing.
they are super-light bindings with very little wrong with them. ive owned pivots, jesters, attacks and sth and i would still return to squires.
-pivots can rotate when taking them off and not release the spring. just a pain in the ass if you are hiking a rail.
-jesters are awesome but much heavier than squires. and i would get the heel piece in the ass getting deep into a turn in moguls more that pivots
-i like the attack toe piece, but the dual/cam action heel piece has caused me problems with snow buildup freezing in the mechanism
-STHs offer the best hold and release characteristics IMO, but the heel piece has the same problems as the attacks. and theyre just so bulky.
kids gotta stop getting into this macho "i need 150 flex boots, with 18 din bindings and 200cm@120mm waist skis because others will think im good" you are just making progression harder for yourself. stop looking at the prestige of peoples equipment as a measure of how good they are. nothing looks more stupid than being decked out in the most expensive gear and not actually skiing well.
what looks coolest imo is someone with good but completley trashed equipment. im talking duct taped jackets, pants burnt through from sparks, edges sticking out in every direction, poles bent to shit. those guys are the ones actually using their gear to its full potential.
ajbskihate me if you want, but my current park whips are 171 elan sling shots with squires. i weigh 180lbs and im 5'10". the dins are set to 10 and ive never pre-released throwing cork 5s/7s off of medium jumps. the whole set up cost like $400 cad. when you go through a pair of skis or bindings every other year it does not make sense to spend more unless you are competing.
they are super-light bindings with very little wrong with them. ive owned pivots, jesters, attacks and sth and i would still return to squires.
-pivots can rotate when taking them off and not release the spring. just a pain in the ass if you are hiking a rail.
-jesters are awesome but much heavier than squires. and i would get the heel piece in the ass getting deep into a turn in moguls more that pivots
-i like the attack toe piece, but the dual/cam action heel piece has caused me problems with snow buildup freezing in the mechanism
-STHs offer the best hold and release characteristics IMO, but the heel piece has the same problems as the attacks. and theyre just so bulky.
just wait until you land switch going really nose heavy and maybe your opinion will change. most people buy pivots and nicer bindings for longevity and overall reliability (besides their brakes obviously) instead of “trying to make people think they’re good”.
Jemsjust wait until you land switch going really nose heavy and maybe your opinion will change. most people buy pivots and nicer bindings for longevity and overall reliability (besides their brakes obviously) instead of “trying to make people think they’re good”.
jems are you saying you also ride 150 flex boots and 190cmx120mm skis?
fks and pivots have horrible quality, the low friction pad on the toe piece peels away for no reason.
the plastic wings that wrap around your toe box snap off
the screws to adjust back pressure keep moving, strip away or shear.
the base plate on the heel cracks and the springs fall out
the drill points on the heel piece are way too close together and the binding tears away due to a lack of leverage.
you can find squires for $150. ive bought two sets of squires and replace parts as necessary and i still spend less money than on jesters/griffons/pivots/attacks. the same bindings have been mounted at least 3 pairs of skis over the last 5 years.
im 30 years old, theres no way i would pick landing a bad jump over busting my knees.
ajbskijems are you saying you also ride 150 flex boots and 190cmx120mm skis?
fks and pivots have horrible quality, the low friction pad on the toe piece peels away for no reason.
the plastic wings that wrap around your toe box snap off
the screws to adjust back pressure keep moving, strip away or shear.
the base plate on the heel cracks and the springs fall out
the drill points on the heel piece are way too close together and the binding tears away due to a lack of leverage.
you can find squires for $150. ive bought two sets of squires and replace parts as necessary and i still spend less money than on jesters/griffons/pivots/attacks. the same bindings have been mounted at least 3 pairs of skis over the last 5 years.
im 30 years old, theres no way i would pick landing a bad jump over busting my knees.
i’m a park rat and i ride 96mm/180cm. i don’t appreciate bindings that have broken on me, my brother, and multiple homies from slams rather than ware. i’ll agree pivots are very overrated but they are still superior to squires. there’s a reason you don’t see anyone over the age of 15 riding them in the park.
Jemsi’m a park rat and i ride 96mm/180cm. i don’t appreciate bindings that have broken on me, my brother, and multiple homies from slams rather than ware. i’ll agree pivots are very overrated but they are still superior to squires. there’s a reason you don’t see anyone over the age of 15 riding them in the park.
i dont agree, but thats ok. who the fuck am i anyways?
just take what i say as a gain of salt. squires def dont deserve the bad rep they have. and pivots sure as hell dont deserve the good rep they have.
switchlip2Don’t get pivots till your skiing ability actually benefits from them. I see people on directional all mountain skis with pivots shit makes me cringe
i’ve got pivots on my line blades, whatcha gonna do about it big boy
HomerPimpinlmaoo don’t hate cause you’re too broke to buy blades
If I got them for free, I would still go and buy different skis. If the only good attribute to the ski you can place is price then just get off ns and go to ski tok
HomerPimpinlmaoo don’t hate cause you’re too broke to buy blades
NikolaB73If I got them for free, I would still go and buy different skis. If the only good attribute to the ski you can place is price then just get off ns and go to ski tok
I suck(getting a lot better; commitment issues) and still ride pivots because they release more reliably than other bindings. It’s nice when I do a drop and don’t fall because of the skis pre releasing with other bindings at a lower din. Surprised my pivots rarely release and I set em at a 9 while I weigh about 190. Very durable and when sales are going on at corbetts, I’d much rather buy pivot 15s for 220 than Tyrolias, jesters, or squires for 150(or whatever they sell for).
ajbskithe drill points on the heel piece are way too close together and the binding tears away due to a lack of leverage.
i ride pivots but this is actually related to an issue i ran into recently. 2019 arv 106s with the base/edge separating from the ski beneath the heel. i asked the armada rep at my shop if he might know why this is happening and he said that he sees it with look bindings occasionally because the screw pattern is so close together that it exerts more force than other bindings and can rip out or cause layer separation.
ive never had that problem on any other ski in over 10 years of riding pivots, so it makes me question the build quality of that year's armada lineup. i wonder why look doesnt widen the screw pattern though
**This post was edited on Jan 13th 2022 at 6:23:16pm
