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Detuning question (serious)

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washcloths
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Okay this is not a meme,

I grabbed some Vishnu Wets this year because I was really curious about the amount of rocker + being in a 189 cause I'm "big boned" (also a really cool brand). I was going to have them de-tuned under foot because I futz around on boxes and rails throughout the season, but the shop tech sort of talked me out of it. He exclaimed that not having those underfoot edges will turn my skiing into a surfy madness. Will de tuning really affect the quality of riding that much? (east cost skier). I don't want to catch on a rail and eat total shit, or destroy my edges, but then again I don't want all mountain skiing to be "annoying" without the edge.

Can a rail rat with totally fuckin smooth edges please advise?

Thanks
Dec 20 2021 7:07PM
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dognutz
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is surfy madness a bad thing?
Dec 20 2021 7:10PM
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washcloths
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dognutsis surfy madness a bad thing?


Only if I can't catch up to my little brother hot dogging on Devastators.
Dec 20 2021 7:11PM
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hi_vis360
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dude I got 189 wets and I did a detune underfoot and a mild detune on the whole ski after a couple runs cause they felt weird and grabby, after the detune it was surfy madness
Dec 20 2021 7:15PM
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hi_vis360
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also detuning prevents edge cracks so yeah that tech is wrong

When I got my first pair I didn't detune, I saw emmet at the bonezone and he asked me if I had detuned and I said no. He just looked so disappointed in me. Don't disappoint emmet!
Dec 20 2021 7:32PM
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theabortionator
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dognutsis surfy madness a bad thing?

I'm pretty sure this is on both the warning label and stats for any pair of vishnus.
Dec 20 2021 7:34PM
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Casey
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You can’t really get the ceramic factory tune back once you dull it- but for those it’s not like you’re spending your mornings on a GS course, detune away that’s what they are for
Dec 20 2021 7:34PM
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MaimHelp
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If they are gonna see any sort of rail you must detune, or you’re fucked
Dec 20 2021 7:46PM
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.Morton
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I’ve never once detuned my skis I always just hit a couple rails and by the end of the first day my edges are how I like them. Dulling your edges underfoot definitely effects your ability to carve on hard snow/ice so it’s really a question of how much park vs all mountain skiing you are doing.
Dec 20 2021 8:08PM
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switchlip2
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washclothsOkay this is not a meme,

I grabbed some Vishnu Wets this year because I was really curious about the amount of rocker + being in a 189 cause I'm "big boned" (also a really cool brand). I was going to have them de-tuned under foot because I futz around on boxes and rails throughout the season, but the shop tech sort of talked me out of it. He exclaimed that not having those underfoot edges will turn my skiing into a surfy madness. Will de tuning really affect the quality of riding that much? (east cost skier). I don't want to catch on a rail and eat total shit, or destroy my edges, but then again I don't want all mountain skiing to be "annoying" without the edge.

Can a rail rat with totally fuckin smooth edges please advise?

Thanks

That tech is a fucking pussy
Dec 20 2021 8:15PM
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jompcock
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.MortonI’ve never once detuned my skis I always just hit a couple rails and by the end of the first day my edges are how I like them. Dulling your edges underfoot definitely effects your ability to carve on hard snow/ice so it’s really a question of how much park vs all mountain skiing you are doing.


This is a horrible idea. Enjoy getting edge cracks and shortening the lifespan of your skis.
Dec 20 2021 11:13PM
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BradFiAusNzCoCa
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I mean it’s a trade off but if the snow is semi-soft you can carve/grip. But ice is difficult. You do get used to applying pressure and feeling the limit of grip. But yeah they won’t ski like a GS ski. However, I’ve got some detuned skis underfoot (light detune but smooth on rails) and they rail GS turns pretty hard as long as it isn’t icy (I’m in Colorado too though so snow is often decent). Like I mentioned though, you can feel when the edge gives and you lose grip. Gotta be light on your feet.
Dec 20 2021 11:38PM
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KilaTsunami
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Some of us love surfy madness
Dec 20 2021 11:38PM
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Chunderface
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If you're detuned and put 'em on edge and hit firm snow you'll lose it.
Dec 21 2021 12:01AM
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Paul.
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You didnt buy vishnus to race in a slalom course, you bought em to smash into picnic tables n shit. Detune them yourself, the shop techs will never understand.
Dec 21 2021 12:03AM
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mnosbod
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washclothsOkay this is not a meme,

I grabbed some Vishnu Wets this year because I was really curious about the amount of rocker + being in a 189 cause I'm "big boned" (also a really cool brand). I was going to have them de-tuned under foot because I futz around on boxes and rails throughout the season, but the shop tech sort of talked me out of it. He exclaimed that not having those underfoot edges will turn my skiing into a surfy madness. Will de tuning really affect the quality of riding that much? (east cost skier). I don't want to catch on a rail and eat total shit, or destroy my edges, but then again I don't want all mountain skiing to be "annoying" without the edge.

Can a rail rat with totally fuckin smooth edges please advise?

Thanks


washclothsOnly if I can't catch up to my little brother hot dogging on Devastators.


If you're looking for an all mountain ski that can be ridden hard and sometimes hit the park that has full rocker you should have bought some devs. Vishnu's are noodles almost exclusively for sliding shit. Supporting Indy brands is dope but these skis are a tool for a very specific use. Detune and slide stuff or sell them and buy an all mountain twin tip
Dec 21 2021 1:48AM
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tomatonater
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My arv116s are detuned for rails. Get after it on the picnic table surfy madness
Dec 21 2021 7:18AM
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bananaman123431
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washclothsOkay this is not a meme,

I grabbed some Vishnu Wets this year because I was really curious about the amount of rocker + being in a 189 cause I'm "big boned" (also a really cool brand). I was going to have them de-tuned under foot because I futz around on boxes and rails throughout the season, but the shop tech sort of talked me out of it. He exclaimed that not having those underfoot edges will turn my skiing into a surfy madness. Will de tuning really affect the quality of riding that much? (east cost skier). I don't want to catch on a rail and eat total shit, or destroy my edges, but then again I don't want all mountain skiing to be "annoying" without the edge.

Can a rail rat with totally fuckin smooth edges please advise?

Thanks


got the same skis and defined myself, can say it is not surfy like you will wash out every second
Dec 21 2021 9:15AM
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lilnoid666
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vishnu wet is not an all mountain ski, why buy it if you don't plan on using it as intended?
Dec 21 2021 9:22AM
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PimpChimpin
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Dec 21 2021 11:29AM
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PimpChimpin
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But seriously, if your gonna be hitting rails at all, detune the skis. I can still ski all mountain with them detuned but it’s not the most fun.


Also, detuning your skis is fairly easy, all you need is a file and gummy stone. It’s not really something you need a shop for

**This post was edited on Dec 21st 2021 at 11:32:15am
Dec 21 2021 11:30AM
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ben.j3
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definitely detune, but don’t go crazy. i didn’t and was pissed asf when i couldn’t pretz swap. brought my file and incrementally went until i felt good again haha. just remember you can’t get that edge back go little by little.
Dec 21 2021 1:57PM
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animator
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hi_vis360also detuning prevents edge cracks so yeah that tech is wrong

When I got my first pair I didn't detune, I saw emmet at the bonezone and he asked me if I had detuned and I said no. He just looked so disappointed in me. Don't disappoint emmet!


He’s not wrong about detunes, they definitely do affect the on snow feel and would definitely make a ski feel looser. If you’re skiing rails most of the time you spend skiing, get the detune. Sharp edges and rails are not your friend.
Dec 21 2021 7:08PM
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Nuno812
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Catch an edge on a rail and I guarantee you will detune any pair you buy after that experience.
Dec 21 2021 7:38PM
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muffMan.
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Just don’t turn
washclothsOnly if I can't catch up to my little brother hot dogging on Devastators.
Dec 21 2021 9:40PM
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fucintight
Posts: 274 - Karma: 737
i got some wets this season too, detuning is a must if you want the ski to last. you can feel the difference after but you can still catch an edge as long as it's not straight ice. like others said above, go incrementally and feel it out
Dec 21 2021 9:55PM
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Chrischi69
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I have magnus 90s wherr the edge is literally ripped out underfoot. I teach lessons and i can turn just fine
Dec 21 2021 10:18PM
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