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I just got some vishnu wets am im trying to learn how to nose butter but i keep popping out of my look pivot 12s, I weight 130lbs and i am 6,0 feet tall, i was thinking to turn my dins up to a 7 but i dont want to destroy my acl/knee if i crash badly. what do you guys think i should set my din to?
Hit the screwdrivers at the top/bottom of the lift and get crankin'...
Give the front and rear bindings a full turn (or half turn, just remain consistent) of the screwdriver and go try a nosebutter.
If the skis come off, hit the screwdrivers again, If they don't, you're good to go OP.
Don’t crank your din just because someone else around your weight/height range rides a high din. As much as prerelease sucks blowing a knee or breaking your leg sucks even more. Keep your din at the recommended for your height/weight, ski on it alittle, and if u prerelease turn it up .5 until your skis don’t pop off. Keep a screwdriver in your backpack so you can adjust them on the spot. I’m roughly the same height/weight and I ride at 6. My recommended din at skier type 1 is 3.5, 2 is 4.5, 3 is 5.5 and 3+ is 6.5. You always want your din to be as low as it possibly can without pre releasing, especially if ur still learning stuff.
Don't crank your dins blindly especially with pivots since pivots have great hold for butters with their extra elastic travel. Op have you established if your forward pressure is correct? I'm very annoyed to say that the shop I really like with cool people fucked up my forward pressure to the point of not being able to click in. I adjusted it tonight and it was a full cm too tight!
going to try this tommorow and i’ll see what happens but i know that my white tab is in between the black lines
HypeBeastDon't crank your dins blindly especially with pivots since pivots have great hold for butters with their extra elastic travel. Op have you established if your forward pressure is correct? I'm very annoyed to say that the shop I really like with cool people fucked up my forward pressure to the point of not being able to click in. I adjusted it tonight and it was a full cm too tight!
Grab a screw driver. Nose butter in the lift line and crank the din up 1 place at a time until you don't pop out anymore. Then add like one click above that if you want just to be safe if you are still worried about coming out. Don't over do it if you want the have knees still. Or if you are fine with replacing your knees crank those dins up and never worry about coming out on butter again! But for real I am 115 and 5 7 and run my dins on 6 and come out fine when I crash, but have never come out on a nose butter. Just takes some expirementing
Im ~ 140 and around 6 and I only ride 6 din but I believe it’s about what bindings your using too some release too much and I have to crank em up but others work great at what they’re supposed to
I’m a big fan of high dins as long as you’re not a huge jump person. Then again ripping your ski off with a mute would be absolutely terrifying.
I’m 5 9 165 and ride a 12 din. When I butter the last thing I wanna worry about is my ski popping off since I suck at butters/presses/nollies and have to hyper focus on them. I sound like an ass saying this but I don’t fall a whole lot even trying shit out of my comfort zone aka bigger 2 ons, switch 2s onto high rails, etc but I’ve sacked a staple rail doing a sw 2 and my legs got caught under, skis came off otherwise I woulda been toast. Tldr high dins ain’t bad.
i’m 5’ 10” 135 and ride a 7-8 fin and i only pop out when I want to. don’t crank, the nose bud isn’t worth the price of knee surgery, and joint problems for the rest of your life.
SwagMan420i’m 5’ 10” 135 and ride a 7-8 fin and i only pop out when I want to. don’t crank, the nose bud isn’t worth the price of knee surgery, and joint problems for the rest of your life.
I'm 5'10 , 165. When I get my bindings mounted the shop has me at a 7 but i've double ejected just carving at that din. After some testing I have found 8.5 to be a perfect happy medium. I can ride fast, carve, disaster onto rails, and do butters without my skis coming off, but when I need them to release they always do. If you really want to stop ejecting on butters I would slowly increase your dins until you find what works (e.g 7.5, 8, 8.5).
I'de say set them at a 9, I'm about the same body weight and an inch shorter. They come off at an 8 if I do the ski tripod thing so 9 should be perfect. I Usually rock 10 though just in case, they'll still pop out at a 10 if the fall is fucked enough. But they'll almost never come off at a 10. 9 Raaarely.
Honestly man if your bindings are set up properly you should not be pre-releasing at a 7. I would triple check everything yourself and then take to a shop that does a release test - it should be like $15. This has less to do with ACL, which tears often from a backward twisting fall, which din does not really help with that much. It has more to do with tib / fib fractures which are absolutely terrible...that is what you risk with a din way too high. Good luck.
I don't want to give you bad information so I'm not going to tell you what specific din to ride at. But I can say pretty confidently that if you try to flex forward while stationary and you come out of your bindings then your din is too low. I'd recommend that you *gradually* adjust your din by small increments until you no longer come out of your bindings when flexing forward while stationary. Hope this helps
ericformanHonestly man if your bindings are set up properly you should not be pre-releasing at a 7. I would triple check everything yourself and then take to a shop that does a release test - it should be like $15. This has less to do with ACL, which tears often from a backward twisting fall, which din does not really help with that much. It has more to do with tib / fib fractures which are absolutely terrible...that is what you risk with a din way too high. Good luck.
Oh also I should say this is not advice to actually run 7....go check they are properly set up first at a shop and get advice there
Most of us reading this are probably saying to ourselves "just turn up the heel DIN bro", but giving advice on safety equipment over the internet based off one sentence of context isn't a great look, so instead its probably better to just say general advice on DINs:
1.) Check forward pressure or other adjustments (looking at you, Salomon bindings with a ton of adjustments). That could be cause. Check for excessive wear on your boots, this could also contribute. If you are still concerned the binding simply isn't releasing correctly, (not DIN to low, but DIN is set reasonably and it feels too low/high) you should be able to take your skis and boots to a ski shop and test it. Sometimes older bindings test lower than they are set, or in the case of Marker the other way around (I had an old griffon set to DIN 8 test at DIN 9).
2.) If you are still having pre-ejection issues, you can turn up your DIN but obviously you need to understand and accept the higher risk of injury, namely tib/fib fractures but also to a lesser extent other injuries. People argue over whether your DINS need to match or not, my personal view is that mismatched Heel/Toe DINs sound weird but there's no real reason to crank your toe DIN if you're having heel ejection issues. Whether you match them or not, you only need to turn up your DINs to the point of them being skiable, no need to max them for the sake of maxing them. If it doesn't give you any issues at DIN 8 don't crank it to 12.
3.) To prevent ACL injury, best you can do is get your legs strong, do your stretches, and learn about what types of falls to avoid (phantom foot and slip-catch). Muscle fatigue is also an injury factor so maybe curb trying a new trick you're likely to fall on late in the day when your legs are toast. Unfortunately modern ski bindings do not really protect your ACL well, and Pivots aren't an exception. I think If I remember correctly, some of Rick Howell's research suggests an average adult male can still tear an ACL at DIN 4.
bananaman123431I just got some vishnu wets am im trying to learn how to nose butter but i keep popping out of my look pivot 12s, I weight 130lbs and i am 6,0 feet tall, i was thinking to turn my dins up to a 7 but i dont want to destroy my acl/knee if i crash badly. what do you guys think i should set my din to?
I’m 5’10/160lbs riding on Piv 12s and mine are set at a 9. I pretty much bent the wets in half while buddering the other day. No release. Try a 9 out. My tech that set them said they’re at a good level for what I do/safety precautions
eheathany reason for this? basically everyone I know has always used the white tab as a reference for correct forward pressure.
It's fine brand new but everything I read online is that it becomes less reliable overtime. I have a pair where the white tab is broken but look said the binding is fine to use but obviously the tab in that circumstance is unreliable
i'm 5'8, 175lb and ive kept mine at 8. bumped em up to 9 after i popped out buttering my v's, good to go now!
bananaman123431I just got some vishnu wets am im trying to learn how to nose butter but i keep popping out of my look pivot 12s, I weight 130lbs and i am 6,0 feet tall, i was thinking to turn my dins up to a 7 but i dont want to destroy my acl/knee if i crash badly. what do you guys think i should set my din to?
OP I am about your height but 30lbs heavier. I ride on pivots generally and ride them at 11. However, I got to this number incrementally over the last 6-10 years as I slowly got more aggressive on my skis and noticing myself releasing or feeling "loose" at high speeds.
Firstly I'd recommend double checking the forward pressure on your pivots, they can be kinda finicky to set if you're not used to them and I get the right by feel more than anything. Here I recommend GOING TO A TECH. If you don't know what you're doing it's not worth messing up your knees (you always can on skis mind) throw some techs a few beers and learn about the bindings you have so that in the future you're all over it and can make your own adjustments.
Without your BSL or skier type I can't work out your DINs for you (EDIT: hadn't seen that this has been done up the thread and 6 was the answer) - aforementioned point of GOING TO A TECH stands here - but there comes a point with freestyle and freeride skiing that you'll always be higher than a DIN chart will suggest even at Type 3+... this is where the trade off between "do I want to lose a ski or risk my knees" comes into play with DINs.
7 is certainly not a high DIN for the kind of skiing it sounds like you're doing but it's not something worth playing with if you're not comfortable doing that - again I can't work it out for you. The best case is probably increasing in .5 increments until you feel comfortable that your skis aren't pre releasing* - no point turning them to 10 straight up and blowing a ligament. Much easier to add .5 to your DINS after a slam than put your knee back together.
Apologies for the long response but DINs are something not to be messed with lightly, I've worked in rentals and currently also do stints in a shop and it always scares me a little bit adjusting DINs because they're not my knees/hips etc and we ALWAYS get a second set of eyes on a DIN calculation because it's not worth the risk.
*This entire response is my opinion and I take no responsibility for you adjusting your DINs yourself. The overarching point of GO TO A TECH stands but there's many factors to take into account when making a decision about how much force it takes to pull your skis off.
Have fun. Stay safe and enjoy those butters dude!!
Sorry for the long post :)
**This post was edited on Dec 15th 2021 at 10:33:48am
