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Worst Trend in Freeskiing

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lilnoid666
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Has anyone noticed that the skis people use today are so much smaller than the skis that were used when freestyle was just becoming a thing. I watched Happy Dayz not too long ago, I also watched a Shane McConkey documentary. In both of these films I never failed to notice how tall their skis were compared to them. Some skis had to be almost a foot taller than their riders.

Why do you think in this era of skiing have skis actually become shorter and not bigger, or even stay the same? Seems weird that they were throwing down some crazy shit while riding 7ft long 2*4s, when some skiers today use skis up to their nose just to slide a flat rail.

Personally, I think freestyle should have never trended towards short skis.

**This thread was edited on Nov 21st 2021 at 11:47:06pm
Nov 21 2021 11:43PM
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Oliver_akgonul
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But why not
Nov 21 2021 11:51PM
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ReturnToMonkey
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Because ski design has come a long way and length isn't the only design feature of a ski.
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lilnoid666
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ReturnToMonkeyBecause ski design has come a long way and length isn't the only design feature of a ski.


true, but what innovations have taken away the need for longer skis

if you think about skis should be getting longer, because they are getting lighter and more rockered

**This post was edited on Nov 22nd 2021 at 12:26:11am
Nov 22 2021 12:23AM
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mrk127
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give 👏 us 👏 198 👏 wets👏
Nov 22 2021 12:36AM
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ReturnToMonkey
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ButteryStix69true, but what innovations have taken away the need for longer skis

if you think about skis should be getting longer, because they are getting lighter and more rockered

**This post was edited on Nov 22nd 2021 at 12:26:11am

They are getting lighter because they are getting shorter and thinner. New materials are one of the causes for this and also provide different characteristics as far as flexibility, dampness, strength, and weight distribution go. These allow ski designers to optimize different parts and shapes to ensure the skis can add enough support for stable skiing, but also be smaller and lighter weight for less work on the skier.

Most skis have gone through extensive testing and develolpment and companies have years of market performance data to go off of. If longer skis were better, they would still be very long. But they aren't.
Nov 22 2021 12:45AM
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TournevisRond
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Enough internet
Nov 22 2021 12:53AM
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keagan.karstens
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Worst trend gotta be trying to be “core”. Like just fucking wear what you actually like and ride skis that you actually enjoy. Stop buying shit just because it’s “cool”. It makes you look like you don’t actually care about skiing and that you just like the Idea of it and want it to be your fake personality. I cant tell you how many skiers I’ve met who really don’t care about or enjoy skiing that much who do it just so that they can say they ski, it’s ridiculous

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Nov 22 2021 1:02AM
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MiIfHunter
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Farting
Nov 22 2021 1:03AM
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teabag
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I can not comprehend why you would waste your time making this thread
Nov 22 2021 1:10AM
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dolanslebensraum
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Grabbing your ski while you are on the ground

https://www.newschoolers.com/forum/thread/924358/Saw-the-sickest-thing-the-other-day--Some-dude-busted-out-a-true-nose-grab-IN-THE-FUCKING-LIFT-LINE
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blyatful
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Huhh?? Hows this a thing.. Go ride your long skies and let the others ride whatever they want. Thats how life is, just care about yourself and do whatever is right for you
ButteryStix69Has anyone noticed that the skis people use today are so much smaller than the skis that were used when freestyle was just becoming a thing. I watched Happy Dayz not too long ago, I also watched a Shane McConkey documentary. In both of these films I never failed to notice how tall their skis were compared to them. Some skis had to be almost a foot taller than their riders.

Why do you think in this era of skiing have skis actually become shorter and not bigger, or even stay the same? Seems weird that they were throwing down some crazy shit while riding 7ft long 2*4s, when some skiers today use skis up to their nose just to slide a flat rail.

Personally, I think freestyle should have never trended towards short skis.

**This thread was edited on Nov 21st 2021 at 11:47:06pm
Nov 22 2021 5:06AM
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hi_vis360
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I have watched happy dayz a billion times and I can guarantee none of their skis are much longer than 190, same probably goes with shane.

they look longer cause they're directional, there is way more ski in front of the boot. I grew up skiing in this era and we def weren't on 200s

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Nov 22 2021 5:13AM
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r00kie
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Okay, so do I get the 177s or the 183s?
Nov 22 2021 7:53AM
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Jems
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this kid has never ridden 200cm skis and it shows
Nov 22 2021 8:02AM
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lilnoid666
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r00kieOkay, so do I get the 177s or the 183s?


:/
Nov 22 2021 8:28AM
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lilnoid666
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teabagI can not comprehend why you would waste your time making this thread


It was something that I had been thinking about, wanted others opinions on it

thought it would be a fun thing to talk about maybe… idk
Nov 22 2021 8:30AM
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partyandBS
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OP needs to hit the park in some old school shapeless skis.
Nov 22 2021 8:35AM
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teabag
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ButteryStix69It was something that I had been thinking about, wanted others opinions on it

thought it would be a fun thing to talk about maybe… idk

sry for being toxic about it but like it’s obvious why we don’t use super long skis
Nov 22 2021 11:21AM
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Bellinghomie
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There are purpose built edgeless skis now, I doubt that’s got something to do with the length but easier to slide on concrete
Nov 22 2021 11:38AM
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piss.boy
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keagan.karstensWorst trend gotta be trying to be “core”. Like just fucking wear what you actually like and ride skis that you actually enjoy. Stop buying shit just because it’s “cool”. It makes you look like you don’t actually care about skiing and that you just like the Idea of it and want it to be your fake personality. I cant tell you how many skiers I’ve met who really don’t care about or enjoy skiing that much who do it just so that they can say they ski, it’s ridiculous

**This post was edited on Nov 22nd 2021 at 1:04:14am


This isn't really related but I'm arguably the worst park rider at my mountain. But I enjoy skiing more then anyone there. I'll genuinely have a smile on my face when skiing and my friends will shit on my for not being able to kfed yet
Nov 22 2021 12:11PM
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eheath
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hi_vis360I have watched happy dayz a billion times and I can guarantee none of their skis are much longer than 190, same probably goes with shane.]


This.

The skis in happy days are 181 at the max (salomon 1080s) rossi scratch's were 180 i believe, troublemakers were 176 max maybe? maybe they made a 180-185 I don't remember.

OP, I've said this before, but y'all worry way too much about how your skis make you look, the best skiers in the world make their skis look good regardless of size.
Nov 22 2021 12:20PM
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animator
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ButteryStix69true, but what innovations have taken away the need for longer skis

if you think about skis should be getting longer, because they are getting lighter and more rockered

**This post was edited on Nov 22nd 2021 at 12:26:11am


its the math involved in ski design theory. With the addition of sidecut, camber and rocker, those 3 things can combine and give a skier the same effective edge as a 210 straight ski, while being significantly lighter and significantly more agile, while maintaining the same stability. theres way more to ski design theory (good ski design theory, anyway) than meets the eye.
Nov 22 2021 12:24PM
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tri_photo
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Have you ever skied on a pair of 210s? Get back to me when you do and let me know if you still feel that way
Nov 22 2021 12:32PM
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keagan.karstens
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Piss_BoyThis isn't really related but I'm arguably the worst park rider at my mountain. But I enjoy skiing more then anyone there. I'll genuinely have a smile on my face when skiing and my friends will shit on my for not being able to kfed yet


You’ll be the best one day, passion is what keeps people going, the others will die out sooner or later. Just stick with it and keep having a great time dawg!!!
Nov 22 2021 12:33PM
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hoodratz47
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Scratch bc were 188. I think k2 pow airs wee 190
eheathThis.

The skis in happy days are 181 at the max (salomon 1080s) rossi scratch's were 180 i believe, troublemakers were 176 max maybe? maybe they made a 180-185 I don't remember.

OP, I've said this before, but y'all worry way too much about how your skis make you look, the best skiers in the world make their skis look good regardless of size.
Nov 22 2021 12:38PM
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mrk127
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tri_photoHave you ever skied on a pair of 210s? Get back to me when you do and let me know if you still feel that way

I’ve skied on many skis over 200cm but Have you ever skied a pair of wide, full rockered 210s? I haven’t either but it sounds baller af
Nov 22 2021 2:03PM
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SOMNIX
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Not caring about what others think is so core bro
keagan.karstensWorst trend gotta be trying to be “core”. Like just fucking wear what you actually like and ride skis that you actually enjoy. Stop buying shit just because it’s “cool”. It makes you look like you don’t actually care about skiing and that you just like the Idea of it and want it to be your fake personality. I cant tell you how many skiers I’ve met who really don’t care about or enjoy skiing that much who do it just so that they can say they ski, it’s ridiculous

**This post was edited on Nov 22nd 2021 at 1:04:14am
Nov 22 2021 3:09PM
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JLej
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a ton of pro skiers are like 5'6-5'9 so even 180s looks big on them.
Nov 22 2021 4:01PM
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Pakanaka
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this dude's a troll
Nov 22 2021 4:05PM
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eheath
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Pakanakathis dude's a troll


thats what I thought too, but i'm not sure honestly
Nov 22 2021 4:06PM
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Chrischi69
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If u aint riding 190s with a 150 waist wyd????
Nov 22 2021 5:08PM
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KCoCM
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190cm by 150cm right
Chrischi69If u aint riding 190s with a 150 waist wyd????
Nov 22 2021 5:31PM
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CatdickBojangles
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eheaththats what I thought too, but i'm not sure honestly


Kinda surprised he didn’t say the worst trend is eheath bullying people on NS lmao
Nov 22 2021 5:44PM
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lilnoid666
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if you guys would have read my post with an open mind it may have been a fun conversation but whatever
Nov 22 2021 5:46PM
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eheath
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ButteryStix69if you guys would have read my post with an open mind it may have been a fun conversation but whatever



Nov 22 2021 5:47PM
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TournevisRond
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ButteryStix69if you guys would have read my post with an open mind it may have been a fun conversation but whatever


The lenght people are skiing just isn’t about look nor is it about following trends. It's about technicality and optimizing how the skis perform.
Nov 22 2021 5:59PM
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hi_vis360
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ButteryStix69if you guys would have read my post with an open mind it may have been a fun conversation but whatever


even though you were wrong about the skis being longer, you do kind of have a point the the tips of the skis were in fact way longer. Which is one of the main reasons I also advocate for longer skis.

Think about it: as skis have become less directional, the tips have gotten much shorter but the ski has stayed the same length. But since you ski mostly on the tips of your skis, park skis now feel much shorter, even though they aren't. Which is why I don't think it's silly to ask for a park ski over 190. I want a symmetrical shape, but I still want a lot of ski to ski on. I'm also 188 cm tall.

Sometimes if feels like there is this made up limit for ski length and if you ask for anything over 190 it's viewed as ABSURD. Yes, I understand that a 210 straight ski or super G ski is hard to ski. But that's irrelevant when what I'm asking for is a 200cm vishnu wet, which is very rockered, symmetrical, and soft. We have no idea what that ski would be like and I think it would be dope.
Nov 22 2021 6:04PM
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ajbski
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hi_vis360I'm asking for is a 200cm vishnu wet, which is very rockered, symmetrical, and soft. We have no idea what that ski would be like and I think it would be dope.

I think it would be pretty floppy.
Nov 22 2021 6:46PM
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hi_vis360
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ajbskiI think it would be pretty floppy.


vishnus aren't very "floppy" in my experience, very very soft yes, but floppy is a word I would use to describe skis like Blends (which I have also owned)

Also keep in mind 200 is only 4 inches longer than the current model, it's not some crazy difference like it sounds
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ajbski
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hi_vis360Also keep in mind 200 is only 4 inches longer than the current model, it's not some crazy difference like it sounds

Ask your girlfriend how much difference 4” makes.

The armada alpha 1 I think was definition of floppy. And that ski was all tip and tail. Not much effective edge for the length...
Nov 22 2021 7:40PM
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mrk127
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dolanslebensraumGrabbing your ski while you are on the ground

https://www.newschoolers.com/forum/thread/924358/Saw-the-sickest-thing-the-other-day--Some-dude-busted-out-a-true-nose-grab-IN-THE-FUCKING-LIFT-LINE


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hi_vis360
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ajbskiAsk your girlfriend how much difference 4” makes.

The armada alpha 1 I think was definition of floppy. And that ski was all tip and tail. Not much effective edge for the length...


I don't have a gf this is newschoolers bro, know your audience
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ajbski
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hi_vis360I don't have a gf this is newschoolers bro, know your audience


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Casey
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Skis used to be longer all around because they were narrower. My first “adult” ski was the Salomon x scream I got when I was 14 in a 187. My dad skied 205s prior to that it was a hard sell for any ski shop to convince real skiers to buy a pair of skis under 200cm for like a solid decade. It just happened slowly and then you get a guy like Eric Pollard putting out the first Elizabeth in a 172 only just because he was trying to mimic the short and wide characteristics of a snowboard. Also Eric is not a very large human I could never ride a 172 but you get the idea. The first bacon was just a longer Elizabeth because people bitched about it enough I assume.
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FruitBootPro
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Maybe they're not over our heads all the time anymore, but I like that nowadays they look like actual planks instead of twigs.
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Young_patty
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ButteryStix69if you guys would have read my post with an open mind it may have been a fun conversation but whatever


eheath





Honestly the only bad trends I’ve seen are really slow rail hits and missing wall ride trannies.
Nov 23 2021 1:38PM
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hi_vis360
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Young_patty


Honestly the only bad trends I’ve seen are really slow rail hits and missing wall ride trannies.


Shoutout the forre crew for skiing fast and doing proper wall rides
Nov 23 2021 7:29PM
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bbw.enthusiast
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fuck this thread best trend in skiing rn is posting every street clip u got during the season straight 2 the reels with the caption "link in bio for full cut" like nah i seen that bih on tiktok already im g
Nov 23 2021 11:59PM
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ReturnToMonkey
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Worst trend in freeskiing is smoking cigarettes
Nov 24 2021 12:07AM
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hoodratz47
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Goddamnit..

You are not wrong. I fucking hate em
ReturnToMonkeyWorst trend in freeskiing is smoking cigarettes
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