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8 Dead At Travis Scott Concert From Being Trampled/Crushed
Not really posting as much with an agenda but though both of these were cool to see. I hadn't seen either. I've been to 5-600 shows I think so it's always cool to see people looking out for the crowd. I had to climb over the barrier at primus once because I was getting crushed up by the rail. Most of the shows I've been to were shows where people had been to a bunch of shows or a few shows, so things were generally pretty mellow. Even some of the hardcore shows I've seen which were more out of my thing I remember getting knocked down or seeing somebody knocked down in a mosh pit and helped up. That was pretty cool. Even within moshing which can get violent and you can get fucked up, people aren't trying to trample you.
Initially when I first saw the post about 8 dead I thought there might have been some garbage getting sold as molly or something. Hasn't been a big crowd surge death toll in a while but it definitely happens. Some concerts, even a football game in England that has a doc about it, maybe a 30 for 30.
That breakdown is pretty gross. At 9:38 the Houston PD told the show to end early because people were dying. At 9:42 the crowd was chanting “stop the show.” Travis kept playing and literally brought out Drake at 10pm and played Sicko Mode. Travis played his entire set list, ending at 10:15. Someone should’ve pulled the plug 30 minutes before that
I haven't seen anything yet that confirms dude was injecting people. As far as I know they said the security guard was injected with opiates, that's it.
Sure a lot of things could happen, but with the current evidence, serial killer dude going around injecting everyone with fentanyl at a concert doesn't really happen, it could but it's not a thing. People getting trampled in large crowds does and has happened.
Not really posting as much with an agenda but though both of these were cool to see. I hadn't seen either. I've been to 5-600 shows I think so it's always cool to see people looking out for the crowd. I had to climb over the barrier at primus once because I was getting crushed up by the rail. Most of the shows I've been to were shows where people had been to a bunch of shows or a few shows, so things were generally pretty mellow. Even some of the hardcore shows I've seen which were more out of my thing I remember getting knocked down or seeing somebody knocked down in a mosh pit and helped up. That was pretty cool. Even within moshing which can get violent and you can get fucked up, people aren't trying to trample you.
Initially when I first saw the post about 8 dead I thought there might have been some garbage getting sold as molly or something. Hasn't been a big crowd surge death toll in a while but it definitely happens. Some concerts, even a football game in England that has a doc about it, maybe a 30 for 30.
Fucking scary way to go.
throw him in jail like they did with randy blythe of lamb of god
some dink fell off the stage at a show in prague and bonked his head and died like a day later and poor ol randy spent 2 years in a czech prison for it
HypeBeastJesus it's criminal for those who were aware and continued to proceed with the show. But nothing is gonna happen.
Yeah some of the footage coming out is really disturbing. Fans were straight up climbing on the fence yelling to stop the show. Who in there right mind would cram 50,000 people together like that anyway. So many things can go wrong with that many people just jammed together.
That video of them rushing through the gate is totally indistinguishable from a zombie horde in a movie. Absolutely disgraceful mob behavior. People getting trampled and having medical episodes as other people just film with their phones and the show continues. All for a fucking travis scott show. Pathetic.
Reminds me of this from a few weeks back. Woman got raped on a train and the other passengers did nothing.
Has anyone in this thread been to a Travis Scott show? Asking for reference. I was a massive fan until this weekend. Grew up 3 hours from Houston, have family there to this day, and always felt like he was a genuinely good guy. He does community outreach in the city and always seemed like he cared so much about his fans. His Netflix documentary is basically a bunch of kids saying how he saved their lives and gave them hope etc.
Astroworld in 2018 (the original show) was probably the best single concert I’ve ever been to. The energy in that place was like nothing I’ve ever witnessed and I’ve been to everything from a local bar with zero attendants to Austin City Limits with 250,000 people.
Bottom line, Travis wants it that way. He creates the chaos and encourages everyone to “rage” like I have been to actual hard core metal shows in New Jersey basements that had less violent mosh pits than a Travis scott concert. I will admit he does it in good fun and tells the crowd to take care of each other but how do you watch lifeless bodies get taken away in front of you and continue to mumble in auto tune? There is NO WAY he was clueless about the situation. I used to promote concerts and work live shows and can tell you there’s usually two people who can stop a show at any given moment. The talent (Travis) or the house sound/light guys. And both of them are usually tuned the fuck in to what’s happening.
I know this is an essay but I’m so mad that livenation, Travis, and Houston police let this happen. “Crowd crush” is a known problem and that’s why festivals are usually required to have measures in place preventing it. Shit is devastating and I’m so furious for those kids who got all the way up to the stage and begged the show to stop only to be booed and told they were gonna be thrown off the stage if they didn’t get down. So fucked…
SuspiciousFishYeah some of the footage coming out is really disturbing. Fans were straight up climbing on the fence yelling to stop the show. Who in there right mind would cram 50,000 people together like that anyway. So many things can go wrong with that many people just jammed together.
Sounds like the venue wasn't prepared for that many people. There's a few videos of people bushing down security fences to get in
SuspiciousFishYeah some of the footage coming out is really disturbing. Fans were straight up climbing on the fence yelling to stop the show. Who in there right mind would cram 50,000 people together like that anyway. So many things can go wrong with that many people just jammed together.
I mean bonnaroo has been up to 115,000 I believe. Woodstock 99 shows were 200k plus probably.
It's not uncommon to have big GA shows. 50k is enough to be excessive though depending on the show and how it's set up. Also you gotta figure a show like this(like many others) draws a large percentage of people who have never been to a concert or rarely go to ones. Most people in this country really don't go to many shows.
It was weird that people were talking about how it would have been worse if they stopped the show. Sure riots happen, but generally people stop when the lights turn on and the music stops. At least in terms of getting people out of the venue this absolutely could have happened.
The ball seemed to have been dropped at several levels though. Pretty unfortunate. This is def not the outcome people go to a concert for.
DesertStixHas anyone in this thread been to a Travis Scott show? Asking for reference. I was a massive fan until this weekend. Grew up 3 hours from Houston, have family there to this day, and always felt like he was a genuinely good guy. He does community outreach in the city and always seemed like he cared so much about his fans. His Netflix documentary is basically a bunch of kids saying how he saved their lives and gave them hope etc.
Astroworld in 2018 (the original show) was probably the best single concert I’ve ever been to. The energy in that place was like nothing I’ve ever witnessed and I’ve been to everything from a local bar with zero attendants to Austin City Limits with 250,000 people.
Bottom line, Travis wants it that way. He creates the chaos and encourages everyone to “rage” like I have been to actual hard core metal shows in New Jersey basements that had less violent mosh pits than a Travis scott concert. I will admit he does it in good fun and tells the crowd to take care of each other but how do you watch lifeless bodies get taken away in front of you and continue to mumble in auto tune? There is NO WAY he was clueless about the situation. I used to promote concerts and work live shows and can tell you there’s usually two people who can stop a show at any given moment. The talent (Travis) or the house sound/light guys. And both of them are usually tuned the fuck in to what’s happening.
I know this is an essay but I’m so mad that livenation, Travis, and Houston police let this happen. “Crowd crush” is a known problem and that’s why festivals are usually required to have measures in place preventing it. Shit is devastating and I’m so furious for those kids who got all the way up to the stage and begged the show to stop only to be booed and told they were gonna be thrown off the stage if they didn’t get down. So fucked…
For a a show this size there's a whole team of security, police, there's somebody running that show that can absolutely pull the plug. If it's getting that bad it def shouldn't fall on the sound guy. Even on the performer depending on the situation. If shit is fucked and you can see it and keep going or encourage it, that sucks, but these are big production shows and there are absolutely people who can pull the plug on the show and sounds like they dropped the ball. Sure if they pull the plug the lighting director would turn the lights on, but that isn't his call, and likely he didn't even know what was going. He's probably there on his board next to the sound board trying to make sure everything looks seamless.
According to the news, the event was notified by hpd that “mass casualties” happened at 9:45. Travis went on stage at 10 with sicko mode. Everyone is in radio comms. You do the math.
A young girl is on video climbing on stage in front of a camera pleading with the camera man that people are dying and his response was “this is live-streamed if you don’t get down I’m going to push you off stage”
Allegedly Apple Music was contracting with livenation on a livestream and whoever was in charge of production decided the concert was more important than dead people.
My only point about the house crew is they have the power to stop everything on a dime. A random cameraman can’t flip a switch and end the entire show like a sound or a light person.
To be honest, I’m frustrated at the whole situation not a single sound engineer, Travis, or livenation. It’s a failure of the whole system and these are the same people who charge us $500 for festival tickets with $150 in fees on top. It’s been a racket for awhile and they’re clearly so negligent now it’s ending in loss of life.
theabortionatorFor a a show this size there's a whole team of security, police, there's somebody running that show that can absolutely pull the plug. If it's getting that bad it def shouldn't fall on the sound guy. Even on the performer depending on the situation. If shit is fucked and you can see it and keep going or encourage it, that sucks, but these are big production shows and there are absolutely people who can pull the plug on the show and sounds like they dropped the ball. Sure if they pull the plug the lighting director would turn the lights on, but that isn't his call, and likely he didn't even know what was going. He's probably there on his board next to the sound board trying to make sure everything looks seamless.
DesertStixAccording to the news, the event was notified by hpd that “mass casualties” happened at 9:45. Travis went on stage at 10 with sicko mode. Everyone is in radio comms. You do the math.
A young girl is on video climbing on stage in front of a camera pleading with the camera man that people are dying and his response was “this is live-streamed if you don’t get down I’m going to push you off stage”
Allegedly Apple Music was contracting with livenation on a livestream and whoever was in charge of production decided the concert was more important than dead people.
My only point about the house crew is they have the power to stop everything on a dime. A random cameraman can’t flip a switch and end the entire show like a sound or a light person.
To be honest, I’m frustrated at the whole situation not a single sound engineer, Travis, or livenation. It’s a failure of the whole system and these are the same people who charge us $500 for festival tickets with $150 in fees on top. It’s been a racket for awhile and they’re clearly so negligent now it’s ending in loss of life.
I mean I feel you, and sure a guy can stop the sound and another guy can throw on the lights but there are people in place to make these calls. That's there job is literally just the safety and making a call like this. In hindsight I get it but these people are told to keep doing there job and there is a person that will pull the plug if it needs to happen.
Also livenation/ticketmaster is fucking garbage. They have a massive monopoly, they own many of the big venues these days. It's all pretty fucked. I like that some of the smaller markets have their own ticketing companies. Denver uses AXS. Idk that much about them but at least it's not livenation. Most events in denver have been using them for years. Even like 2014 if I remember.
Sucks in the latimes article they had some kook dude who thinks GA shows should exist anywhere basically. He got street cred from the who concert investigation and rode it along the way. Sometimes bad shit happens when the people in charge don't pull the plug. GA events are fine.
Yeah dude that’s my point. All it takes is one person with their fucking head on their shoulders to say “this is wrong and I don’t care if I lose my job I’m not doing this” and maybe this could have been avoided. The videos from people in the crowd are just heart breaking.
theabortionatorI mean I feel you, and sure a guy can stop the sound and another guy can throw on the lights but there are people in place to make these calls. That's there job is literally just the safety and making a call like this. In hindsight I get it but these people are told to keep doing there job and there is a person that will pull the plug if it needs to happen.
Also livenation/ticketmaster is fucking garbage. They have a massive monopoly, they own many of the big venues these days. It's all pretty fucked. I like that some of the smaller markets have their own ticketing companies. Denver uses AXS. Idk that much about them but at least it's not livenation. Most events in denver have been using them for years. Even like 2014 if I remember.
Sucks in the latimes article they had some kook dude who thinks GA shows should exist anywhere basically. He got street cred from the who concert investigation and rode it along the way. Sometimes bad shit happens when the people in charge don't pull the plug. GA events are fine.
DesertStixAccording to the news, the event was notified by hpd that “mass casualties” happened at 9:45. Travis went on stage at 10 with sicko mode. Everyone is in radio comms. You do the math.
A young girl is on video climbing on stage in front of a camera pleading with the camera man that people are dying and his response was “this is live-streamed if you don’t get down I’m going to push you off stage”
Allegedly Apple Music was contracting with livenation on a livestream and whoever was in charge of production decided the concert was more important than dead people.
My only point about the house crew is they have the power to stop everything on a dime. A random cameraman can’t flip a switch and end the entire show like a sound or a light person.
To be honest, I’m frustrated at the whole situation not a single sound engineer, Travis, or livenation. It’s a failure of the whole system and these are the same people who charge us $500 for festival tickets with $150 in fees on top. It’s been a racket for awhile and they’re clearly so negligent now it’s ending in loss of life.
This is absolutely sickening to read. Hell, even the HPD should have flicked on the lights and pulled the PA plug. The fact that they kept playing for 30 min with people literally being killed is beyond criminal. All they had to do was turn the sound off, the lights on and get someone on the sound system to tell everyone to move back to at least buy some time for those getting crushed.
100% the first responders were in a nightmare trying to help people while everyone was still “raging.” There’s a video of a couple guys on top of an emergency vehicle dancing and impeding them from getting to people in need.
I read an eyewitness statement that lifeless bodies were being taken to the medic tent in large numbers and the majority of people carrying the bodies were just concert goers and not even staff.
SuspiciousFishThis is absolutely sickening to read. Hell, even the HPD should have flicked on the lights and pulled the PA plug. The fact that they kept playing for 30 min with people literally being killed is beyond criminal. All they had to do was turn the sound off, the lights on and get someone on the sound system to tell everyone to move back to at least buy some time for those getting crushed.
so fucked. one of my friends thats big into the hardcore punk scene was posting on his story about how "hardcore is way more violent music but regardless when you see somebody knocked on the ground you help them back up"
T.L.That video of them rushing through the gate is totally indistinguishable from a zombie horde in a movie. Absolutely disgraceful mob behavior. People getting trampled and having medical episodes as other people just film with their phones and the show continues. All for a fucking travis scott show. Pathetic.
Reminds me of this from a few weeks back. Woman got raped on a train and the other passengers did nothing.
CrunnchyVanManso fucked. one of my friends thats big into the hardcore punk scene was posting on his story about how "hardcore is way more violent music but regardless when you see somebody knocked on the ground you help them back up"
I have a buddy that goes to punk shows and mash pits all the time and that is what he says. Everyone goes crazy but there are set in stone rules that everyone follows like always helping people off the ground, taking them out if they get hurt etc. There is a certain comradery about it all which is pretty cool.
T.L.Hell yeah dude!! Just people casually getting smashed to death while people just stand around and film it. Awesome stuff, right?
Cheers!
You expect for people right next to the people getting crushed to death to just move out of the way or something? It’s not like they could do anything, they were stuck too
SuspiciousFishI have a buddy that goes to punk shows and mash pits all the time and that is what he says. Everyone goes crazy but there are set in stone rules that everyone follows like always helping people off the ground, taking them out if they get hurt etc. There is a certain comradery about it all which is pretty cool.
I dont wanna diss new age rap but I feel like a lot of it stems from the "fuck you im rich" mentality thats pretty individualistic and there isn't a lot of "this system sucks shit and we fight together" mentality/comaraderie that punk has.
CrunnchyVanManI dont wanna diss new age rap but I feel like a lot of it stems from the "fuck you im rich" mentality thats pretty individualistic and there isn't a lot of "this system sucks shit and we fight together" mentality/comaraderie that punk has.
fans take care of your fellow fans
New age rap is literally just a shitty musical form of Nihilism.
DesertStixI was wondering if you could elaborate on your theory
there’s not much to the theory, just basing it on the general attitude to psychs in modern rap and just how i assume travis scott would want to be tripping on something when performing.
powpatrolthere’s not much to the theory, just basing it on the general attitude to psychs in modern rap and just how i assume travis scott would want to be tripping on something when performing.
skiermanSometimes an event so horrendous happens, it forces me to step away from trolling for a minute to seriously reflect on the important questions....
lol i didn’t ‘make it up’ as travis scott and a lot of modern music is heavily influenced by psychedelics, so pondering on such an idea doesn’t really require much creativity or ‘making up’ on my end.
idk, who cares in the end, travis scott has blood on his hands and holds responsibility for those who passed. rip
It kinda feels like something like this was bound to happen. Less than a year after the country finally relaxing on COVID restrictions and allowing full-capacity crowds back at events + people already pent-up and full of anger due to how shitty the last 2 years have been in the US + tons of drugs and alcohol = bad times. Travis Scott is in huge shit but lets not forget all the aggressive fucked-up people making issues too...Like people were dancing on ambulances trying to get to people in cardiac arrest allegedly, people were so fucked up they thought it was part of the show.
**This post was edited on Nov 9th 2021 at 12:52:14pm
This was another great point that someone I know working in live music made. It’s been awhile since we, as a society, have had these 50k+ events and people lose touch
DeebieSkeebiesIt kinda feels like something like this was bound to happen. Less than a year after the country finally relaxing on COVID restrictions and allowing full-capacity crowds back at events + people already pent-up and full of anger due to how shitty the last 2 years have been in the US + tons of drugs and alcohol = bad times. Travis Scott is in huge shit but lets not forget all the aggressive fucked-up people making issues too...Like people were dancing on ambulances trying to get to people in cardiac arrest allegedly, people were so fucked up they thought it was part of the show.
**This post was edited on Nov 9th 2021 at 12:52:14pm
DesertStixThis was another great point that someone I know working in live music made. It’s been awhile since we, as a society, have had these 50k+ events and people lose touch
For sure. Sporting events are good examples too. People are acting like assholes at games all over the country.
Nike is seemingly containing their partnership with Travis too which once again shows how the consumerist/capitalistic nature of our country is just absolutely fucked. They're like the number one company that will cut ties with ANY bad press or PR and (to my knowledge) they've yet to even acknowledge the event. Just hyping up their next drop of Travis AirMax's which is fuuuucked.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the fbi gang/drug trafficking task force gets his crew and throws them all in prison for life like fetti wap and those guys last week in NY
