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gravel
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what do you think of strobeck style filming in skiing? specifically heavy zooms from just the head to the feet.

personally, i really like skate style filming, but what i don't fuck with is only being able to see someone's feet. skiing's a full body expression and i feel like you miss out on the trick and the feature when you only see boots, skis, and knees. it's not like skating in the sense that the footwork isn't the main emphasis of a trick. so why cut off the swag of the arms, hips, and head? why cut out being able to see the scale of the feature? though i do really like the face zooms before and after the trick though - seeing some personality in the moment is really sick as opposed to just supplementing it with broll.
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Nov 3 2021 5:01PM
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sindreplassen
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Dope but kinda played at this point, works on some clips too. but like you said sometimes it ruins the clip because you won’t be able to see how big the spot or the trick actually is. I also think it works better for skateboarding
Nov 3 2021 5:21PM
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WoFlowz
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I don’t mind it here and there. But it is kinda lame. Zoom in on the head before the feature if u rly wanna get fancy zoom out during the trick then zoom in on the run out
Nov 3 2021 5:54PM
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weastcoat
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I’m really glad someone appreciates details like this too.

I agree. It’s something that needs to be done like once every handful of times. Otherwise it’s essential to get the full body in the shot no matter what.


That being said, what the fuck is up with this influx in overexposed style of filming/editing I’ve been seeing lately? Like it actually looks like dog shit you can’t make out any details in the snow it’s just all over exposed white lol. Like yeah I get you’re trying to create your own style of filming/editing but like why would you do it if it actually makes the image look like shit? Like is that a skate filming thing too or nah?
Nov 3 2021 6:27PM
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WoFlowz
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weastcoatI’m really glad someone appreciates details like this too.

I agree. It’s something that needs to be done like once every handful of times. Otherwise it’s essential to get the full body in the shot no matter what.


That being said, what the fuck is up with this influx in overexposed style of filming/editing I’ve been seeing lately? Like it actually looks like dog shit you can’t make out any details in the snow it’s just all over exposed white lol. Like yeah I get you’re trying to create your own style of filming/editing but like why would you do it if it actually makes the image look like shit? Like is that a skate filming thing too or nah?


Yes and no. But most good skate filmers don’t usually over expose stuff. They may mess with scene files or white balance. To get a yellowish or orange look. A lot of filmers in Europe seem to do that with their HVX or HPX along with Beagle. Most skaters that over expose stuff consistently to where it looks like shit. I think just don’t know how to use their cam or are learning.
Nov 4 2021 6:49PM
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bbw.enthusiast
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if you are wearing any syndicate outerwear im okay with only seeing your ski boots
Nov 4 2021 8:08PM
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weastcoat
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WoFlowzYes and no. But most good skate filmers don’t usually over expose stuff. They may mess with scene files or white balance. To get a yellowish or orange look. A lot of filmers in Europe seem to do that with their HVX or HPX along with Beagle. Most skaters that over expose stuff consistently to where it looks like shit. I think just don’t know how to use their cam or are learning.


I’m talking about ski filmers.
Nov 4 2021 8:25PM
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WoFlowz
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weastcoatI’m talking about ski filmers.


I’m just saying it’s not really a skate thing. But I’d agree rly over exposing stuff like looks lame to me. Now if it’s messing with ur white balance or scene files to get a orange or yellow or pink look it’s chill. But idrk I like to see what’s going on in the landing or lip or even just how tall the rail is
Nov 4 2021 8:30PM
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weastcoat
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WoFlowzI’m just saying it’s not really a skate thing. But I’d agree rly over exposing stuff like looks lame to me. Now if it’s messing with ur white balance or scene files to get a orange or yellow or pink look it’s chill. But idrk I like to see what’s going on in the landing or lip or even just how tall the rail is


Precisely. Scene files can yield some cool film. I think it’s cause they just leave the aperature open too wide and/or use a slow shutter speed.
Nov 4 2021 9:40PM
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HaydenB
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Strobeck himself has been strobecking his clips more and more, I think his latest video was just zoomed in all the way the entire time. I got a headache and only watched a few minutes. I personally don't mind zooming in on the in run, I think it adds expression to the shot and can even show details in someone's kit, but yeah zoom out for the actual trick then zoom back in on the landing if u wanna idc
Nov 4 2021 11:09PM
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HaydenB
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PondyCrewStrobeck himself has been strobecking his clips more and more, I think his latest video was just zoomed in all the way the entire time. I got a headache and only watched a few minutes. I personally don't mind zooming in on the in run, I think it adds expression to the shot and can even show details in someone's kit, but yeah zoom out for the actual trick then zoom back in on the landing if u wanna idc


ps I am guilty of strobecking my edits. Less of that this season trust me
Nov 4 2021 11:10PM
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S.C
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For skating yes, skiing no. The difference for me is that there is a lot more technicality in the 'footwork' in skateboarding and with the number of grinds, flip tricks, etc that you can do on a skateboard versus what you're doing on your feet with your skis. That said, to each their own and there definitely are times where a cutaway closeup of the riders' feet when they're doing some techy maneuver is sick, and impactful. Over use it and it doesnt have as much impact on the viewer and IMO takes away from being able to see a whole skier's body in a shot
Nov 8 2021 12:31PM
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fredyferl
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Even in skateboarding it starts to get old, every video is pretty much filmed this way. I usually like Emerica's style of filming, and even their latest video had a bunch of Strobeck style filming. In general, I liked it better when people had Panasonics but were just filming normal style (this doesn't apply as much to skiing because people were using DSLRs). Even if you don't use a tripod for your panasonic when filming long lens, which I don't because I never really had the time to learn to film properly with a tripod, you shouldn't automatically film Strobeck style, you should think of the way you want to film that particular feature.

I like the Panasonic, it has a cool look, but honestly it really is how you film that makes the difference.
Nov 8 2021 2:59PM
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fredyferl
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WoFlowzYes and no. But most good skate filmers don’t usually over expose stuff. They may mess with scene files or white balance. To get a yellowish or orange look. A lot of filmers in Europe seem to do that with their HVX or HPX along with Beagle. Most skaters that over expose stuff consistently to where it looks like shit. I think just don’t know how to use their cam or are learning.


I feel like with skating it's easier to have your footage not overexposed, as there isn't as much white as with skiing. What I've experienced so far with my Panasonic is that if you can really see the detail of the snow, good chances are that the image will be too dark. Scene files help for sure, but it's an old camera that has it's limits. I try to have the snow as bright as possible, to the point where it's just before being overexposed, or even some spots are overexposed, but even then, if the skier is wearing black and there's a three in your shot, it won't come out the best.
Nov 8 2021 3:07PM
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a_burger
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Whenever I’ve done the foot zoom it’s usually on the inrun of the rail as a transition into the shot, I try and zoom out by the time they’re actually on the feature

I will say the foot focus does work pretty well for all 8 type tricks from certain angles cause then the footwork really is the focus of the trick, see related:
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Nov 9 2021 12:41PM
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gravel
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a_burgerWhenever I’ve done the foot zoom it’s usually on the inrun of the rail as a transition into the shot, I try and zoom out by the time they’re actually on the feature

I will say the foot focus does work pretty well for all 8 type tricks from certain angles cause then the footwork really is the focus of the trick, see related:
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yeah for sure, and i do the foot detail static cutaway angle plenty myself. but in this thread i’m specifically talking about servo zoom cams filming handheld and panning from face to feet for the trick then back to the face after the trick.
Nov 9 2021 2:44PM
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skiP.E.I.
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Just feet is more important than just head, but either way the filmer blew the shot in most cases. Works good as a third angle though, and obviously important if the rail has some fucked details like gaps or skate stops.
Nov 11 2021 9:02AM
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BallClapper
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Lower half of body is sick for photos.
Jan 24 2024 5:26PM
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