It’s fine if you’re from Colorado…

Great work chief. I agree though. It’s all stolen land

People act like being from Colorado is personality trait.

I lived there for about 2 years. Never understood that vibe. So odd.

It’s anywhere you go. Exact same in Tahoe

@CLQ

Colorado is pretty chill as long as you stay away from Denver IMO. The problem is people get so obsessed with the Colorado 'brand' instead of just living here.

No one in Colorado is even fucking from here. They move here and start acting all vibed out with their Colorado flag gear and "bagging" 14ers for IG. It's extremely fucking annoying and they get their feathers really ruffled when it gets pointed out.

I'm from Colorado, please accept my most sincere apologies.

I felt poor walking around in towns when I went on a ski trip to CO

Shake your fist at the sky a little harder

skeirmanNo one in Colorado is even fucking from here. They move here and start acting all vibed out with their Colorado flag gear and "bagging" 14ers for IG. It's extremely fucking annoying and they get their feathers really ruffled when it gets pointed out.

MaimHelpI felt poor walking around in towns when I went on a ski trip to CO

Proud to say I street parked my dodge neon in front of the Gucci store in aspen a couple years ago.

skeirmanNo one in Colorado is even fucking from here. They move here and start acting all vibed out with their Colorado flag gear and "bagging" 14ers for IG. It's extremely fucking annoying and they get their feathers really ruffled when it gets pointed out.

I bet $100 you have a Native bumper sticker...

Jokes aside the biggest problem with Colorado is Denver is basically a giant easy to develop field right next to world class mountains with a big freeway going right up it. This makes it really easy for people to come from other states, have all the urban stuff they like and super easy to access "wilderness". This allows the kind of people that just want the vibe to come here instead of people that actually appreciate the mountains and the responsibilities that come with it.

I moved to CO to go to college and lived in Utah for a few years before moving back to CO with my Wife who was born here. Colorado is an amazing state but I have to say I cant stand Denver and the whole "CO branded Bro" attitude. That is one of the reasons I live in Colorado Springs because there is less people and you are actually right up against the mountains and some real Wild West mines and stuff to explore. I refuse to have any shirt, sticker or mug with a Colorado flag on it too.

The more I live here the more I see how the locals are pissed off at the over development of the state and the 'brand' that drives it. Its shitty that the same thing is happening to Eastern Washington/North Idaho where I am from but the infrastructure cant handle it at all which causes even more problems.

SuspiciousFishI bet $100 you have a Native bumper sticker...

Jokes aside the biggest problem with Colorado is Denver is basically a giant easy to develop field right next to world class mountains with a big freeway going right up it. This makes it really easy for people to come from other states, have all the urban stuff they like and super easy to access "wilderness". This allows the kind of people that just want the vibe to come here instead of people that actually appreciate the mountains and the responsibilities that come with it.

I moved to CO to go to college and lived in Utah for a few years before moving back to CO with my Wife who was born here. Colorado is an amazing state but I have to say I cant stand Denver and the whole "CO branded Bro" attitude. That is one of the reasons I live in Colorado Springs because there is less people and you are actually right up against the mountains and some real Wild West mines and stuff to explore. I refuse to have any shirt, sticker or mug with a Colorado flag on it too.

The more I live here the more I see how the locals are pissed off at the over development of the state and the 'brand' that drives it. Its shitty that the same thing is happening to Eastern Washington/North Idaho where I am from but the infrastructure cant handle it at all which causes even more problems.

Denver sounds horrible. Paying insane housing prices to live in a big city out the plains. All the mountain activities are still to far away to make part of a daily routine. Pretty sure I would spend more time indoors living in Denver than I would anywhere in Michigan.

r00kieDenver sounds horrible. Paying insane housing prices to live in a big city out the plains. All the mountain activities are still to far away to make part of a daily routine. Pretty sure I would spend more time indoors living in Denver than I would anywhere in Michigan.

Just wait until the wildfire smoke is so bad you cant even SEE the mountains. Its just a dirty, homeless camp shit hole full of self righteous idiot hipsters. Its sad too because the city was pretty fun back in the late 2000s. Colorado Springs is actually really nice, I can drive 30 min to some awesome hikes, check out crazy old gold mines, head down south to camp near Canyon City in the spring/fall where everything else is too cold and there are actually trees and forests around town.

BradFiAusNzCoCaIt’s anywhere you go. Exact same in Tahoe

Man, Tahoe people are so weird sometimes. Like, they'll have moved there from the Bay area 3 years ago but get pissed off at Bay area tourists coming and ruining their little personal mountain paradise like they weren't in the same boat pretty fucking recently.

Where do they draw the line? Bay area? Sacramento? Reno? I'd say who's really at fault is any of those fuckers who drive up in their god damn corollas, on shitty all season tires, with no chains looking for a weekend vacation. Except it just snowed 26" and they go "wow I didn't know it snowed in California", argue with chain control, crash their shit and cause 3+ hour backups.

I'm not sure if there's as many people there who moved their for the 'vibe', like Colorado, but they are super possessive about their town, even though their lifeblood is tourism- though I'm sure many other mountain towns are like that.

SuspiciousFishI bet $100 you have a Native bumper sticker...

Jokes aside the biggest problem with Colorado is Denver is basically a giant easy to develop field right next to world class mountains with a big freeway going right up it. This makes it really easy for people to come from other states, have all the urban stuff they like and super easy to access "wilderness". This allows the kind of people that just want the vibe to come here instead of people that actually appreciate the mountains and the responsibilities that come with it.

I moved to CO to go to college and lived in Utah for a few years before moving back to CO with my Wife who was born here. Colorado is an amazing state but I have to say I cant stand Denver and the whole "CO branded Bro" attitude. That is one of the reasons I live in Colorado Springs because there is less people and you are actually right up against the mountains and some real Wild West mines and stuff to explore. I refuse to have any shirt, sticker or mug with a Colorado flag on it too.

The more I live here the more I see how the locals are pissed off at the over development of the state and the 'brand' that drives it. Its shitty that the same thing is happening to Eastern Washington/North Idaho where I am from but the infrastructure cant handle it at all which causes even more problems.

Haha, absolutely not. I am not in any way "proud" to be from here. Denver was nothing but a cowtown growing up. It has gotten straight up unlivable there now. Everything changed when when legalization hit.

I've always liked things about the Springs. Ya'll got some real weirdos in that city though. Not even hating.

“Weed changed everything” LMAO

skeirmanHaha, absolutely not. I am not in any way "proud" to be from here. Denver was nothing but a cowtown growing up. It has gotten straight up unlivable there now. Everything changed when when legalization hit.

I've always liked things about the Springs. Ya'll got some real weirdos in that city though. Not even hating.

DesertStix“Weed changed everything” LMAO

It certainly did, CO was one of the first states to legalize did you forget this?

I did not forget this. I see the influx of tax money every year. What else is it heavily influencing? People smoke weed openly?

eheathIt certainly did, CO was one of the first states to legalize did you forget this?

I'm from Colorado and nothing makes me want to throw up more than hearing people argue about who has lived here longer. This thread is no exception

ToddlerBodyBagI'm from Colorado and nothing makes me want to throw up more than hearing people argue about who has lived here longer. This thread is no exception

Just don’t pretend like you personally invented mountains if you move elsewhere.

I was on board with everything until you were like “the springs is tight” LOL

SuspiciousFishI bet $100 you have a Native bumper sticker...

Jokes aside the biggest problem with Colorado is Denver is basically a giant easy to develop field right next to world class mountains with a big freeway going right up it. This makes it really easy for people to come from other states, have all the urban stuff they like and super easy to access "wilderness". This allows the kind of people that just want the vibe to come here instead of people that actually appreciate the mountains and the responsibilities that come with it.

I moved to CO to go to college and lived in Utah for a few years before moving back to CO with my Wife who was born here. Colorado is an amazing state but I have to say I cant stand Denver and the whole "CO branded Bro" attitude. That is one of the reasons I live in Colorado Springs because there is less people and you are actually right up against the mountains and some real Wild West mines and stuff to explore. I refuse to have any shirt, sticker or mug with a Colorado flag on it too.

The more I live here the more I see how the locals are pissed off at the over development of the state and the 'brand' that drives it. Its shitty that the same thing is happening to Eastern Washington/North Idaho where I am from but the infrastructure cant handle it at all which causes even more problems.

My family lineage goes back to early 1800's here on my moms side and I could care less about it, I really wanna move Denver is not a vibe anymore.

DesertStix“Weed changed everything” LMAO

I mean, it did. I don't think anyone who was here through it all thinks otherwise. It is an absolutely massive industry here.

And anyone can fuck right off talking about the tax benefits from legalization. Public facilities on every level, schools, roads, city facilities, crime etc., have all worsened, not gotten better. No one can argue life in Denver is better on any level since legalization. And I'm not even saying its all the weed industry, I'm just saying the tax benefits that were used to sell legalization never materialized.

DesertStixI did not forget this. I see the influx of tax money every year. What else is it heavily influencing? People smoke weed openly?

people moving to colorado? maybe were on different pages here

In California it's funny, weed legalization changed literally nothing except who I buy my weed from.

Google & Facebook, on the other hand...

Price_PoliceGreat work chief. I agree though. It’s all stolen land

I guess in the sense that all land is inherently non-indigenous. So you could argue that even Native Americans "stole" the land they currently occupy.

Even Athabaskan speaking native tribes (Navajo , Apache) "stole" their tribal lands from the Ancestral Puebloans and other archaic South Western Cultures who then disappeared or migrated to the South in order to carve out a life for themselves with less competition for resources.

Oh I’m sure they materialized somewhere. But I understand your point. I’m hoping this isn’t the state I live in 10+ years from now.

skeirmanI mean, it did. I don't think anyone who was here through it all thinks otherwise. It is an absolutely massive industry here.

And anyone can fuck right off talking about the tax benefits from legalization. Public facilities on every level, schools, roads, city facilities, crime etc., have all worsened, not gotten better. No one can argue life in Denver is better on any level since legalization. And I'm not even saying its all the weed industry, I'm just saying the tax benefits that were used to sell legalization never materialized.

Utah sounds better anywah

Yeah different pages for sure. I made a poor attempt at saying weed was a Colorado culture staple way before the state made it legal.

eheathpeople moving to colorado? maybe were on different pages here

weastcoatUtah sounds better anywah

anyway *

Moving to Denver Colorado is the male equivalent of getting bangs.

trying to find that trevor wallace skit about this

Wisconsins a bigger brag anyway(-_-)

SuspiciousFishIts shitty that the same thing is happening to Eastern Washington/North Idaho where I am from but the infrastructure cant handle it at all which causes even more problems.

honestly all of idaho has this issue right now. housing prices in boise area as well as in IF and pocatello are batshit insane and there’s not enough roads to support any of the new high density developments so traffic is through the roof now compared to even just 5 years ago. nothing wrong with people moving here but the places and way it’s being done is idiotic and unsustainable

casualI was on board with everything until you were like “the springs is tight” LOL

The Springs is legit when you are older. Yeah there are some really bad parts but so does Denver unless you like living in Commerce City. The East side of the city on Powers is much nicer. Palmer Park is 10 min away and feels like hiking in the mountains in the middle of the city, Manitou Springs is cool to check out and there are tons of hiking trails. I get the Springs gets a bad rep sometimes but I really do enjoy living here.

I’m mostly kidding. But, I like living in the mountains, and the uhh….culture of the Springs ain’t for me at all.

im glad you like it and I’m sure it’s better than I think. BTW, I’m 37, so not exactly a child,
my CO brother.

SuspiciousFishThe Springs is legit when you are older. Yeah there are some really bad parts but so does Denver unless you like living in Commerce City. The East side of the city on Powers is much nicer. Palmer Park is 10 min away and feels like hiking in the mountains in the middle of the city, Manitou Springs is cool to check out and there are tons of hiking trails. I get the Springs gets a bad rep sometimes but I really do enjoy living here.

r00kiePeople act like being from Colorado is personality trait.

BradFiAusNzCoCaIt’s anywhere you go. Exact same in Tahoe

SuspiciousFishthe biggest problem with Colorado is Denver is basically a giant easy to develop field right next to world class mountains with a big freeway going right up it. This makes it really easy for people to come from other states, have all the urban stuff they like and super easy to access "wilderness". This allows the kind of people that just want the vibe to come here instead of people that actually appreciate the mountains and the responsibilities that come with it.

The more I live here the more I see how the locals are pissed off at the over development of the state and the 'brand' that drives it.

betzMan, Tahoe people are so weird sometimes. Like, they'll have moved there from the Bay area 3 years ago but get pissed off at Bay area tourists coming and ruining their little personal mountain paradise like they weren't in the same boat pretty fucking recently.

I'm not sure if there's as many people there who moved their for the 'vibe', like Colorado, but they are super possessive about their town, even though their lifeblood is tourism- though I'm sure many other mountain towns are like that.

As someone who lived for a long time in Truckee, and also lived on the Front Range, I would say they are very different...

Truckee/Tahoe is more like how people feel in Aspen or maybe Silverthorne or Dillon or Breckenridge or something... big city people coming up and flooding everything and not really respecting locals or the natural environment. Tahoe has always been a place where people from the Bay Area and elsewhere come up for recreation. Everyone in the basin recognizes that much.

The newer problem that ticks off locals is more that people who have lived in Truckee or Tahoe for a long time and have businesses built or who have established themselves, are being completely priced out of living at an absurd rate due to influx of 2nd home buying for short-term rentals. The area has always been known for 2nd homes, but nowadays its even worse with people buying a 2nd home (or several) wholly as investment property first and foremost - the same thing is happening in any ski town, but with Tahoe being a world class summer destination as well, it is a little exacerbated by the fact that they can rent it out for both new years and 4th of July and make bank, and then just let it sit empty the rest of the time. Its basically out of towners, only renting to other out of towners. It wasn't always like that. 10 years ago when I first moved there, it wasn't like that. I paid 400$ for rent in a modest shared house. I had plenty of options for long-term rentals, too. The rent would now be 1200$ for that room simply because of market rate, and I would be lucky to be chosen to live there.

There are thousands of empty homes, and very few available for long-term rental or purchase to locals. The regional and local powers that be don't cater to the people that vote for them, but rather the single-family developments that are willing to pay big dollars. It's the same problem in any ski town, but Tahoe is being squeezed really hard, and the people are pretty done with it. I myself was pretty established there for a long time, but left once I saw the writing on the wall.

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Colorado on the other-hand, is, like other's have said... a total brand. It has gone totally corporate over there, with companies like Coors brewing 'Native' branded beers, and other 'colorado native' nonsense. I have lived in Oregon too, which has a bit of a nativist vibe as well due to influx of growth from elsewhere, but Colorado is a whole other monster with it and became extreeemely annoying about it. Less than half of people who live in Colorado were born there in the first place... It's ridiculous.

You have people who live out in Aurora or Centennial - places that might as well be in Kansas - claiming this whole 'I'm this outdoorsy Colorado native' sorta attitude just because their dad moved the family when they were 2 years old from the east coast.. Then theyre scoffing when they find out I'm not some 4th generation Colorado guy, so therefore I 'dont get it' or something? It's so weird. I didn't really see that same sorta thing in other places at all.. There was no prejudice elsewhere, or at least a lot less... At the very worst, it would be some light banter, rather than this self-righteous, unwelcoming, 'Im better because I was born here' attitude.

Like, girls literally put 'Colorado native' in their tinder bios and shit - it was fucking hilarious.

Needless to say, whether its Colorado, California, Oregon, or Idaho, most of the people who live in the west, can't trace their families living there more than 2 or so generations at best... Even if they can, nobody actually cares. If this whole 'colorado native' thing was seen more as a Joke, or as something fun, maybe it would be totally okay... but the fact that it actually creates division and othering due to people taking shit way too seriously? That's pretty bad.

DingoSeanAs someone who lived for a long time in Truckee, and also lived on the Front Range, I would say they are very different...

Truckee/Tahoe is more like how people feel in Aspen or maybe Silverthorne or Dillon or Breckenridge or something... big city people coming up and flooding everything and not really respecting locals or the natural environment. Tahoe has always been a place where people from the Bay Area and elsewhere come up for recreation. Everyone in the basin recognizes that much.

The newer problem that ticks off locals is more that people who have lived in Truckee or Tahoe for a long time and have businesses built or who have established themselves, are being completely priced out of living at an absurd rate due to influx of 2nd home buying for short-term rentals. The area has always been known for 2nd homes, but nowadays its even worse with people buying a 2nd home (or several) wholly as investment property first and foremost - the same thing is happening in any ski town, but with Tahoe being a world class summer destination as well, it is a little exacerbated by the fact that they can rent it out for both new years and 4th of July and make bank, and then just let it sit empty the rest of the time. Its basically out of towners, only renting to other out of towners. It wasn't always like that. 10 years ago when I first moved there, it wasn't like that. I paid 400$ for rent in a modest shared house. I had plenty of options for long-term rentals, too. The rent would now be 1200$ for that room simply because of market rate, and I would be lucky to be chosen to live there.

There are thousands of empty homes, and very few available for long-term rental or purchase to locals. The regional and local powers that be don't cater to the people that vote for them, but rather the single-family developments that are willing to pay big dollars. It's the same problem in any ski town, but Tahoe is being squeezed really hard, and the people are pretty done with it. I myself was pretty established there for a long time, but left once I saw the writing on the wall.

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Colorado on the other-hand, is, like other's have said... a total brand. It has gone totally corporate over there, with companies like Coors brewing 'Native' branded beers, and other 'colorado native' nonsense. I have lived in Oregon too, which has a bit of a nativist vibe as well due to influx of growth from elsewhere, but Colorado is a whole other monster with it and became extreeemely annoying about it. Less than half of people who live in Colorado were born there in the first place... It's ridiculous.

You have people who live out in Aurora or Centennial - places that might as well be in Kansas - claiming this whole 'I'm this outdoorsy Colorado native' sorta attitude just because their dad moved the family when they were 2 years old from the east coast.. Then theyre scoffing when they find out I'm not some 4th generation Colorado guy, so therefore I 'dont get it' or something? It's so weird. I didn't really see that same sorta thing in other places at all.. There was no prejudice elsewhere, or at least a lot less... At the very worst, it would be some light banter, rather than this self-righteous, unwelcoming, 'Im better because I was born here' attitude.

Like, girls literally put 'Colorado native' in their tinder bios and shit - it was fucking hilarious.

Needless to say, whether its Colorado, California, Oregon, or Idaho, most of the people who live in the west, can't trace their families living there more than 2 or so generations at best... Even if they can, nobody actually cares. If this whole 'colorado native' thing was seen more as a Joke, or as something fun, maybe it would be totally okay... but the fact that it actually creates division and othering due to people taking shit way too seriously? That's pretty bad.

Its like people are trying to cover up the fact that their family isn't from there by being as obnoxious and stereotypical as possible. Like dude, nobody gives a shit where you're from as long as you aren't trying to cover it up with obnoxious "Idahome" stickers. I think people just get really insecure about it, and jealous of folks that are from here. When I first moved west, I was super jealous of the local folks. My childhood in suburban hell sucked, and the few bright spots were when I went to visit family out west. Getting out here and meeting folks who had grown up skiing, hunting and fishing was cool, but I couldn't help feel a little resentment that they'd been able to enjoy this their whole lives. I think that we like to find groups of people that we can feel connected too. Don't forget that for most of our evolutionary history, we've been living in very small groups. The evolution of our society has gone too fast for our brains to keep up with. I think traits like obnoxious western transplant behaviour are the result of this. People move somewhere cool, and want to feel like they're part of something, cause they're feeling really lost. So they buy a 4runner, slap some stickers on it, and everytime they see another 4runner with stickers on it they feel a little warm inside. "There's one of my people, I'm not that alone." Idk, just a thought.

born and bred here but i cant wait to get out

BradFiAusNzCoCaIt’s anywhere you go. Exact same in Tahoe

I feel like Tahoe has a worse influx of bay area "locals" who bring those vibes up while telling you how local they are and how long they've lived there.

Idk, just don't be a douche while trying to convince me how local you are. I feel like that rule applies anywhere.

theabortionatorI feel like Tahoe has a worse influx of bay area "locals" who bring those vibes up while telling you how local they are and how long they've lived there.

Idk, just don't be a douche while trying to convince me how local you are. I feel like that rule applies anywhere.

You get along okay with the logger folk in Greenwater?

Yup but man I’ve noticed, as I’m sure have you, it literally is everywhere. Traveled across the world and skied across the world just to find out people are the same.

But yeah Tahoe Is actually experiencing a huge crisis now as so many people I knew are leaving. 110% priced out with no great job prospects.

theabortionatorI feel like Tahoe has a worse influx of bay area "locals" who bring those vibes up while telling you how local they are and how long they've lived there.

Idk, just don't be a douche while trying to convince me how local you are. I feel like that rule applies anywhere.

r00kieDenver sounds horrible. Paying insane housing prices to live in a big city out the plains. All the mountain activities are still to far away to make part of a daily routine. Pretty sure I would spend more time indoors living in Denver than I would anywhere in Michigan.

I mean the mountains are still right there. Bigger mountains the a lot of other place. I'm not saying there aren't better areas to live for skiing, climbing, mtn biking whatever, but you can't act like the mtns are crazy far away. As far as major cities go it's relatively close. I'm not even a fan of denver, but the mountains are close ish for a city that size.

I paid $420 for a room in a share in IV back in 2018. Seems like that’s less common now.

Colorado is a bunch of southerners who moved west. I had to stop talking shit because I eventually realized that I am also a southerner who moved west despite not living in the south for years. I feel I can handle Colorado now because I know what to expect, but I was very turned off by Colorado when I moved there from Tahoe back in 2018. I lived on the front range and western slope so saw both sides. Very interesting overall.

I do think the stoke vibes are higher in Tahoe though. There’s a weird aggressiveness to Colorado. Maybe that native shit you’re talking about. I can’t even take half the people serious in that state. I feel like half of them have never actually explored mountain landscapes outside of co.

DingoSeanAs someone who lived for a long time in Truckee, and also lived on the Front Range, I would say they are very different...

Truckee/Tahoe is more like how people feel in Aspen or maybe Silverthorne or Dillon or Breckenridge or something... big city people coming up and flooding everything and not really respecting locals or the natural environment. Tahoe has always been a place where people from the Bay Area and elsewhere come up for recreation. Everyone in the basin recognizes that much.

The newer problem that ticks off locals is more that people who have lived in Truckee or Tahoe for a long time and have businesses built or who have established themselves, are being completely priced out of living at an absurd rate due to influx of 2nd home buying for short-term rentals. The area has always been known for 2nd homes, but nowadays its even worse with people buying a 2nd home (or several) wholly as investment property first and foremost - the same thing is happening in any ski town, but with Tahoe being a world class summer destination as well, it is a little exacerbated by the fact that they can rent it out for both new years and 4th of July and make bank, and then just let it sit empty the rest of the time. Its basically out of towners, only renting to other out of towners. It wasn't always like that. 10 years ago when I first moved there, it wasn't like that. I paid 400$ for rent in a modest shared house. I had plenty of options for long-term rentals, too. The rent would now be 1200$ for that room simply because of market rate, and I would be lucky to be chosen to live there.

There are thousands of empty homes, and very few available for long-term rental or purchase to locals. The regional and local powers that be don't cater to the people that vote for them, but rather the single-family developments that are willing to pay big dollars. It's the same problem in any ski town, but Tahoe is being squeezed really hard, and the people are pretty done with it. I myself was pretty established there for a long time, but left once I saw the writing on the wall.

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Colorado on the other-hand, is, like other's have said... a total brand. It has gone totally corporate over there, with companies like Coors brewing 'Native' branded beers, and other 'colorado native' nonsense. I have lived in Oregon too, which has a bit of a nativist vibe as well due to influx of growth from elsewhere, but Colorado is a whole other monster with it and became extreeemely annoying about it. Less than half of people who live in Colorado were born there in the first place... It's ridiculous.

You have people who live out in Aurora or Centennial - places that might as well be in Kansas - claiming this whole 'I'm this outdoorsy Colorado native' sorta attitude just because their dad moved the family when they were 2 years old from the east coast.. Then theyre scoffing when they find out I'm not some 4th generation Colorado guy, so therefore I 'dont get it' or something? It's so weird. I didn't really see that same sorta thing in other places at all.. There was no prejudice elsewhere, or at least a lot less... At the very worst, it would be some light banter, rather than this self-righteous, unwelcoming, 'Im better because I was born here' attitude.

Like, girls literally put 'Colorado native' in their tinder bios and shit - it was fucking hilarious.

Needless to say, whether its Colorado, California, Oregon, or Idaho, most of the people who live in the west, can't trace their families living there more than 2 or so generations at best... Even if they can, nobody actually cares. If this whole 'colorado native' thing was seen more as a Joke, or as something fun, maybe it would be totally okay... but the fact that it actually creates division and othering due to people taking shit way too seriously? That's pretty bad.

CaseyYou get along okay with the logger folk in Greenwater?

Living on the mountain at Crystal. Spend very little time down there. I can get along with anyone and avoid getting political with some of those types and just have a beer if I'm down there.

BradFiAusNzCoCaYup but man I’ve noticed, as I’m sure have you, it literally is everywhere. Traveled across the world and skied across the world just to find out people are the same.

But yeah Tahoe Is actually experiencing a huge crisis now as so many people I knew are leaving. 110% priced out with no great job prospects.

Caution: rant inbound

Yeah it's fucked. That's why I moved to WA. People at the ski resorts bitching that locals don't want to work while paying less than fucking taco bell. Like yeah, I'm trying to compete in this insane housing market for a skilled job to make less than the base sticker price for fast food. Fuck those people in the ski industry and I hope them and their mountains eat shit.

Sucks J1's are coming back. I love visas and travel but I hate the way the ski industry exploits that labor force. I hope the ski industry gets fucked over eventually. It fully would deserve it.

I hate seeing mountains go under but the mountains in those markets exploiting people should eat shit and go under tomorrow. It sucks to say but that's how I feel. It's crazy how low some of these mountains pay in resort towns where housing is a crisis and every fast food place offers a significant raise. And then these pieces of shit in marketing say that "the locals just don't want to work and that's why we have to hire J1's". Like yeah, the locals want to be able to pay rent and buy groceries in the same month. Many J1's just want the visa and money doesn't matter. They come to be in America. I wish that visa was restricted more. The way the ski industry exploits it is terrible. Once again I hope those mtns eat shit and fold.

Look at fast food the last 5 years, especially the last 2 years. Any place you drive by is hiring for a legit wage. The ski industry can fuck off. All those scumbag mountains paying garbage wages should go under.


Currently am working for a mountain that pays well and has cheap employee housing, but the ski industry is fucked. I get sad seeing places fold, but that's the only way anyone learns. If fast food is going to pay more than skill operators I hope those places eat shit and fold. They fully deserve it, and nobody should feel bad.

Sorry, rant about obviously terrible $$$ and exploitation of foreign workers to avoid paying reasonable wages while pretending to be offering a service. Those ski areas are trash and should eat shit and fold.

DingoSeanAs someone who lived for a long time in Truckee, and also lived on the Front Range, I would say they are very different...

Truckee/Tahoe is more like how people feel in Aspen or maybe Silverthorne or Dillon or Breckenridge or something... big city people coming up and flooding everything and not really respecting locals or the natural environment. Tahoe has always been a place where people from the Bay Area and elsewhere come up for recreation. Everyone in the basin recognizes that much.

The newer problem that ticks off locals is more that people who have lived in Truckee or Tahoe for a long time and have businesses built or who have established themselves, are being completely priced out of living at an absurd rate due to influx of 2nd home buying for short-term rentals. The area has always been known for 2nd homes, but nowadays its even worse with people buying a 2nd home (or several) wholly as investment property first and foremost - the same thing is happening in any ski town, but with Tahoe being a world class summer destination as well, it is a little exacerbated by the fact that they can rent it out for both new years and 4th of July and make bank, and then just let it sit empty the rest of the time. Its basically out of towners, only renting to other out of towners. It wasn't always like that. 10 years ago when I first moved there, it wasn't like that. I paid 400$ for rent in a modest shared house. I had plenty of options for long-term rentals, too. The rent would now be 1200$ for that room simply because of market rate, and I would be lucky to be chosen to live there.

There are thousands of empty homes, and very few available for long-term rental or purchase to locals. The regional and local powers that be don't cater to the people that vote for them, but rather the single-family developments that are willing to pay big dollars. It's the same problem in any ski town, but Tahoe is being squeezed really hard, and the people are pretty done with it. I myself was pretty established there for a long time, but left once I saw the writing on the wall.

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Colorado on the other-hand, is, like other's have said... a total brand.

All of this completely true, though it's more of a problem with vacation rentals than it is outsiders coming to Tahoe. Once I was on a chairlift with a local, an older lady who coached a kids ski team. I was having a good conversation with her and her friends until she asked me where I was from, I said the bay area and she literally ignored me for the rest of the ride. Like wouldn't acknowledge me and just carried on like I wasn't there. This was probably about 3 years back at Sierra. Like, a broad hatred of all people from a certain area never makes sense to me. You start hating on them when it's clear they're the part of the problem lol.

And as for Colorado I think many people in Tahoe actually have to live that outdoors life, whether they like it or not. So there is less vibes Instagram-y "outdoors" people. Not nearly as pampered as living in a big city like Denver. In Tahoe you have to shovel/blow several feet of snow out of your driveway every year.. in Denver you only have to shovel snow regularly if your driveway faces the wrong direction lol.

betzAll of this completely true, though it's more of a problem with vacation rentals than it is outsiders coming to Tahoe. Once I was on a chairlift with a local, an older lady who coached a kids ski team. I was having a good conversation with her and her friends until she asked me where I was from, I said the bay area and she literally ignored me for the rest of the ride. Like wouldn't acknowledge me and just carried on like I wasn't there. This was probably about 3 years back at Sierra. Like, a broad hatred of all people from a certain area never makes sense to me. You start hating on them when it's clear they're the part of the problem lol.

And as for Colorado I think many people in Tahoe actually have to live that outdoors life, whether they like it or not. So there is less vibes Instagram-y "outdoors" people. Not nearly as pampered as living in a big city like Denver. In Tahoe you have to shovel/blow several feet of snow out of your driveway every year.. in Denver you only have to shovel snow regularly if your driveway faces the wrong direction lol.

I mean, broad spectrum hatred because of an area is kind of dumb, and hating somebody too much too talk on a lift seems weird. When the lock down hit everybody and their mom, who had been ignoring great conditions for weeks because no powder came up, clusterfucked the town, screamed at the resorts, and brought all our groceries back to the bay. I get that it was going to be tough to find some of the things back there but it sucked fucking hard having our stores picked to nothing and seeing people from the bay area with bulk things bringing them back.

Idk I have no blanket hate for the bay area, my long term roommate was from the bay, but I can see the vibe more base on the economy and the way things go down.

The hype about outsiders always blows but when ski towns pay little and rent and property is $$$it's shitty.


There was a housing crisis before everyone and their mom moved out of the city last year. Now it's just fucked.


Please where a fucking condom or get an abortion if you don't want kids. There are too many people on this planet jesus fucking christ.

/rant not directed to anyone.

For real though. I hate people acting like it's so great to have 6+ kids these days. No you're an asshole. There is only so much land. WTF do you expect to happen? If you vote against basic social stuff as well you're a fucking scumbag.

Idk, the overpopulation issue kills me in general before even thinking of real estate.

betzAll of this completely true, though it's more of a problem with vacation rentals than it is outsiders coming to Tahoe. Once I was on a chairlift with a local, an older lady who coached a kids ski team. I was having a good conversation with her and her friends until she asked me where I was from, I said the bay area and she literally ignored me for the rest of the ride. Like wouldn't acknowledge me and just carried on like I wasn't there. This was probably about 3 years back at Sierra. Like, a broad hatred of all people from a certain area never makes sense to me. You start hating on them when it's clear they're the part of the problem lol.

And as for Colorado I think many people in Tahoe actually have to live that outdoors life, whether they like it or not. So there is less vibes Instagram-y "outdoors" people. Not nearly as pampered as living in a big city like Denver. In Tahoe you have to shovel/blow several feet of snow out of your driveway every year.. in Denver you only have to shovel snow regularly if your driveway faces the wrong direction lol.

Yeah, thats really just it, right? In Colorado, its all people actually moving there full time that get heat from 'Natives' for some reason... Like, 'You live in Colorado? But you're not from Colorado so why are you living in Colorado? I am from Colorado, so I can live in Colorado but you are not from Colorado so don't live here in Colorado because you don't understand Colorado'. ColoradoColoradoColorado

Its all a bit out of touch and ridiculous.

In Tahoe its more like, this resentment from the tourist crowd that once in a while has some bad eggs. Most of the time, I would say people coming up are perfectly respectful and care about the area, but every now and then there are those who drive up, and act like their dollar is the only reason why anything exists in Tahoe to begin with.

I cannot tell you how many jerks from hoity-toity bay area communes like Mill Valley or Danville, or Orinda that would come up, bring some Karen-ass entitled attitude, and act like assholes to me, my employees, my colleagues and my friends. Shit, I even remember some bay area news anchor who I was serving, who absolutely lost his fucking mind when a mistake happened on his order and he had to wait an extra 5-10 minutes. Like full childish meltdown it was embarrassing.

Really, the problem isn't so much that Tahoe is full of bitter locals who hate outsiders (although there definitely are those - for a plethora of reasons), but more that they are tired of the same entitled scumbags everyone else in the bay area also hates.

Go back to Texas OP.