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MaimHelp
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Don’t get me wrong I love how guys like Emmett and the zoot space guys are getting all this support and funds from this and I have nothing wrong with it.


but, on the jskis giveaway I see so many people asking for jets or Vishnus and it got me to thinking. Why does everyone want whats trendy, it’d be a lot better if people just got what they wanted instead of what everyone else wanted.


probably a pointless thread but that’s my 2 cents
Oct 16 2021 9:16PM
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AlaskaDogfart
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A lot of people want skis that will "help them" ski like the skiers they like. If someone sees cal carson and likes how he skis, then they will think that maybe having the same skis as him will help. If cal carson is is "trendy", then everyone will want the skis he uses. After zootspace, everyone wants jet skis because thats what most of those guys were on.

**This post was edited on Oct 16th 2021 at 9:22:59pm
Oct 16 2021 9:21PM
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ski_salmon69
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bro you literally asked for jets
Oct 16 2021 10:03PM
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MaimHelp
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ski_salmon69bro you literally asked for jets


I know, then I realized how many people wanted them lol, if I won I’d ask if they can just get me keys.

**This post was edited on Oct 16th 2021 at 10:05:06pm
Oct 16 2021 10:03PM
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sindreplassen
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I think it’s cool that people want to support companies like Vishnu
Oct 17 2021 7:08AM
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hi_vis360
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anything that gets popular will have annoying fans at some point.

when it comes to ski companies these days though, there is such a clear distinction between companies like vishnu, jetskis, on3p, surface, 1000, and everybody else. they're all small companies that directly target our demographic and support the skiers that we like to watch. many of them put out their own film projects. supporting them means supporting film projects and the culture as a whole, and you feel like you're having a direct positive influence on the scene.

the only two main stream companies that give a shit about street skiing are Line and Armada. Honestly I think Line doesn't get enough credit for making affordable skis for people of all ages to enjoy and sponsoring lots of film skiers. But here's the thing - am I really making a positive impact on the scene if I buy a pair of lines or Armadas? Maybe, maybe not. They're so much bigger that it's kind of hard to tell if you're making a difference.
Oct 17 2021 7:53AM
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piss.boy
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Some of that is definitely just trend following but some people prolly just think they look fun skis ya know
Oct 17 2021 11:37AM
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KCoCM
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MaimHelpI know, then I realized how many people wanted them lol, if I won I’d ask if they can just get me keys.

**This post was edited on Oct 16th 2021 at 10:05:06pm


so you changed your choice......... based on what other people were doing........? isnt this exactly what you said you thought was lame?

if people are spending their money they can spend it on whatever they want lol.

havent your last two pairs of skis been on3p and vishnu? lol
Oct 17 2021 12:02PM
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1M_peaches
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I have always been on the search for a ski that is not main stream, like klint, but i fell into the jaws of armadas marketing and realized that I would be better off getting arv 86's deff not the coolest ski but they are what im looking for in terms of size flex and overall look. graphics are mint ngl. Plus Edollo skis them so they will make me a better skier because thats how that works.
Oct 17 2021 12:13PM
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TRVP_ANGEL
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Posts a thread calling himself out. How embarassing
Oct 17 2021 12:20PM
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MaimHelp
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TRVP_ANGELPosts a thread calling himself out. How embarassing


Bingo you got it
Oct 17 2021 2:03PM
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Session
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Been skiing ON3P for 11 years. Trying to figure out of I'm trend following or I just like good skis.

Also how do you idiots think J is going to magically get a pair of skis from companies that barely scrape enough cash together to make a tiny run from another OEM.
Oct 17 2021 3:00PM
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Emma_Watson
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WTB 178 Revision Skis & Natural Grown Heaters xxxxl tall-tee

pm me
Oct 17 2021 3:15PM
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-Dan
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What about following a trend is bad? I’m not taking a stance here, just looking for some elaboration/critical thinking.
Oct 17 2021 3:17PM
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MaimHelp
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-DanWhat about following a trend is bad? I’m not taking a stance here, just looking for some elaboration/critical thinking.


I never said it was bad, I more meant people may buy skis that won’t even fit their style of skiing because they see everyone else doing it. I’m fine with following and I do it myself lol, but sometimes people who like to ski fast and go big night but wets or something and be disappointed they didn’t turn them into cal Carson or something
Oct 17 2021 3:21PM
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Emma_Watson
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hello class, please find today's essay prompt below. 2 pages, MLA, and please include some critical thinking
-DanWhat about following a trend is bad? I’m not taking a stance here, just looking for some elaboration/critical thinking.
Oct 17 2021 3:21PM
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Emma_Watson
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-DanWhat about following a trend is bad? I’m not taking a stance here, just looking for some elaboration/critical thinking.


but tbh this question is at the core of NS' identity at the moment me thinks.

and @-Dan , as someone who capitalizes on trends and trend setting, what do you think is bad about trend following?

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**This post was edited on Oct 17th 2021 at 4:17:30pm
Oct 17 2021 4:13PM
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FruitBootPro
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Vishnus are great but Jets are so fucking cringe. They're nothing special design or aesthetic wise, and has the brand announced anything at all recently? No wonder this site has memed them into oblivion.

Honestly the trend of "new indie ski brand with very minimal topsheet designs and uninteresting shape + flex" is so mid at this point
Oct 17 2021 4:43PM
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FruitBootPro
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MaimHelpI never said it was bad, I more meant people may buy skis that won’t even fit their style of skiing because they see everyone else doing it. I’m fine with following and I do it myself lol, but sometimes people who like to ski fast and go big night but wets or something and be disappointed they didn’t turn them into cal Carson or something


maybe it's just because a lot ofpeople think soft skis are fun nowadays. damn lmao. and even if they don't it's good to experiment with styles
Oct 17 2021 4:49PM
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Pakanaka
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MaimHelpDon’t get me wrong I love how guys like Emmett and the zoot space guys are getting all this support and funds from this and I have nothing wrong with it.


but, on the jskis giveaway I see so many people asking for jets or Vishnus and it got me to thinking. Why does everyone want whats trendy, it’d be a lot better if people just got what they wanted instead of what everyone else wanted.


probably a pointless thread but that’s my 2 cents


it's because people are sick of stiff solid standard park skis and they want to make the whole mountain their playground with something unique and fun. they see guys like cal on vishnu's and they think if they get the same skis they can do the same wavy shit but actually those guys can be all new wave on any type of ski because they are very good skiers.
Oct 17 2021 5:15PM
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Christian_Bale
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FruitBootProVishnus are great but Jets are so fucking cringe. They're nothing special design or aesthetic wise, and has the brand announced anything at all recently? No wonder this site has memed them into oblivion.

Honestly the trend of "new indie ski brand with very minimal topsheet designs and uninteresting shape + flex" is so mid at this point

Minimalistic designs arent necessarily bad. I think jets look like pretty solid skis. I haven't heard anyone who bought them complain about their durability or about any other issues. Personally I like how their flex looks.
Oct 17 2021 5:35PM
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sarc
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1) find a good thing
2) spread the word
3) you ruined it

profit?
Oct 17 2021 5:51PM
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FruitBootPro
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Christian_BaleMinimalistic designs arent necessarily bad. I think jets look like pretty solid skis. I haven't heard anyone who bought them complain about their durability or about any other issues. Personally I like how their flex looks.


They look like pure mid. Wets were remarkable because they had a unique rocker profile and a really well designed flex for a park ski. What's interesting about these? Maybe if they advertised what makes their skis actually fun, people would take them seriously, but I guess advertising isn't #core enough
Oct 17 2021 6:03PM
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Chrischi69
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Seem like fun skis tho like if everybody wjo is riding them is puttting out sick shit id want the same skis as them
Oct 17 2021 7:44PM
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d5r
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core is core
Christian_BaleMinimalistic designs arent necessarily bad. I think jets look like pretty solid skis. I haven't heard anyone who bought them complain about their durability or about any other issues. Personally I like how their flex looks.



Oct 17 2021 8:07PM
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Dongwater
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I feel like OP has a very valid question and the answer its not that simple, following trends in anything is a double edged sword, trends draw a bunch of people to try the same way of doing something, or try to emulate the same style etc, but also potentially stifle individual creativity and progression. There can for sure be some harsh emptyness in that... and i dont think the goal of any subculture should be to continually narrow down what is cool. But idk maybe everyone just has to go on a long journey of dipping out of various trends and styles and eventually if you stay generally passionate and put in actual physical/mental/emotional energy you get spit out with your own style and way of finding the most enjoyment out of whatever you're doing
Oct 17 2021 8:43PM
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weastcoat
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Trend following isn’t bad… but don’t follow the trend if you suck at skiing, you make yourself look like an ass especially if you clout chase.
Oct 17 2021 9:15PM
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-Dan
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weastcoastTrend following isn’t bad… but don’t follow the trend if you suck at skiing, you make yourself look like an ass especially if you clout chase.

Idk this one sounds like gate keeping. If ability were a prerequisite for anything I never would have been able to participate
Oct 17 2021 9:25PM
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Grantito
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At the end of the day I would say just do your own thing and let trends influence what you do if you like them.
Oct 17 2021 9:29PM
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Christian_Bale
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FruitBootProThey look like pure mid. Wets were remarkable because they had a unique rocker profile and a really well designed flex for a park ski. What's interesting about these? Maybe if they advertised what makes their skis actually fun, people would take them seriously, but I guess advertising isn't #core enough

I see what youre saying and I don't think that they look super unique, but they remind me of skinnier danollies which in my experience is a very solid and fun pair of skis
Oct 17 2021 9:51PM
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ski_salmon69
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FruitBootProVishnus are great but Jets are so fucking cringe. They're nothing special design or aesthetic wise, and has the brand announced anything at all recently? No wonder this site has memed them into oblivion.

Honestly the trend of "new indie ski brand with very minimal topsheet designs and uninteresting shape + flex" is so mid at this point


i just like cryptic smiley face
Oct 17 2021 10:02PM
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ski_salmon69
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-DanIdk this one sounds like gate keeping. If ability were a prerequisite for anything I never would have been able to participate


i believe it’s pronounced scum core
Oct 17 2021 10:03PM
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Jems
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AlaskaDogfartA lot of people want skis that will "help them" ski like the skiers they like. If someone sees cal carson and likes how he skis, then they will think that maybe having the same skis as him will help. If cal carson is is "trendy", then everyone will want the skis he uses. After zootspace, everyone wants jet skis because thats what most of those guys were on.

**This post was edited on Oct 16th 2021 at 9:22:59pm


i ski worse with jets arguably but they’re so fun
Oct 17 2021 10:11PM
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Session
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weastcoastTrend following isn’t bad… but don’t follow the trend if you suck at skiing, you make yourself look like an ass especially if you clout chase.


The only people that think like that are midwest park rats.
Oct 17 2021 10:12PM
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weastcoat
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-DanIdk this one sounds like gate keeping. If ability were a prerequisite for anything I never would have been able to participate


I ain’t gonna lie it is gk to an extent lol. I’m mainly referring to the people though who will buy “trendy skis” but don’t understand the meaning of it all and put no effort into doing so. Kids who buy V’s or jets or x ski company because they want to “look cool” or fit in or whatever, not because they actually think they would enjoy the way the skis ride or that they even realize where their money is going to.


I think ability matters but not as much as the attitude the skier as as OP said. I know everyone is entitled to learning but it’s annoying seeing someone fully kitted out in the newest and (I hate this term) core kits and setups just because they saw clips from zootspace on some robot skiing repost page. Then they proceed to snake people in the park and fall off tubes early (I have nothing wrong whatsoever with people learning or not being as good as others yet but if you’re gonna carry this attitude about a lack of culture understanding it irks me)

I often see some people riding the “newest or trendiest” skis and I know damn well they didn’t buy them for the way they ski or the morals of the company etc etc. If I catch a conversation with them I’ll often prove my own assumption to be correct.


it just annoys me when someone says “yeah I want Vishnus or jetskis!” And I ask why and they say “they look cool and they’re In style” instead of “yeah I think they’ll fit my skiing and I like the way their rocker shape is” or “I like the softness they have in the tips with stability in the tail etc etc.”

im not telling anyone how to do things and I’ll never hold anyone to it that’s just my two cents. Sometimes the culture is overlooked and has no intent to be learned by certain members of the wonderful park community.

**This post was edited on Oct 17th 2021 at 10:18:48pm
Oct 17 2021 10:15PM
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weastcoat
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SessionThe only people that think like that are midwest park rats.


I live and breathe hyland hills rope tow motor exhaust
Oct 17 2021 10:16PM
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gravel
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weastcoastim not telling anyone how to do things and I’ll never hold anyone to it that’s just my two cents. Sometimes the culture is overlooked and has no intent to be learned by certain members of the wonderful park community.

**This post was edited on Oct 17th 2021 at 10:18:48pm


seems like you're getting personally offended by other people owning shit when you don't deem them having "the right attitude" or "the culture." which just seems insecure as fuck. just do what you want to do and don't get upset about other people doing their own thing. i fail to see the problem with anyone supporting niche brands regardless of their background or "status", they're supporting an awesome part of skiing right now.
Oct 17 2021 11:53PM
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VISHNU
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it's bad manners to speculate about other people's finances, sir.

Also, do you work for ON3P? Like receive a check from them? Because they way you constantly diss almost every other brand while vocally supporting ON3P doesn't really put them in the best light if you are affiliated with them. And whether you work for them or not, the way you talk on here makes you (and the brand, by extension) seem bitter, threatened, and out of touch.

Consider this a performance review.

SessionBeen skiing ON3P for 11 years. Trying to figure out of I'm trend following or I just like good skis.

Also how do you idiots think J is going to magically get a pair of skis from companies that barely scrape enough cash together to make a tiny run from another OEM.
Oct 18 2021 12:37AM
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Jems
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weastcoastI live and breathe hyland hills rope tow motor exhaust


Looks like you breathe clean air
Oct 18 2021 12:44AM
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weastcoat
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gravelseems like you're getting personally offended by other people owning shit when you don't deem them having "the right attitude" or "the culture." which just seems insecure as fuck. just do what you want to do and don't get upset about other people doing their own thing. i fail to see the problem with anyone supporting niche brands regardless of their background or "status", they're supporting an awesome part of skiing right now.


I don’t have a huge problem with it either, I love seeing core, grassroot brands succeed, there’s just a little part of me that dies when I see someone with Vishnus side jump a lip to a rail or get snaked by someone riding jets and wearing soldier pants, then I proceed to watch them almost die when they try to hit a flat bar at the bottom of the park
Oct 18 2021 12:46AM
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Session
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VISHNUit's bad manners to speculate about other people's finances, sir.

Also, do you work for ON3P? Like receive a check from them? Because they way you constantly diss almost every other brand while vocally supporting ON3P doesn't really put them in the best light if you are affiliated with them. And whether you work for them or not, the way you talk on here makes you (and the brand, by extension) seem bitter, threatened, and out of touch.

Consider this a performance review.


Building skis seems like a lot of hard work, so.....no. But how was anything I was saying a diss?
Oct 18 2021 12:55AM
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hoodratz47
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When you say fit your style of skiing. Do you mean actual slings style or aesthetic style.?
MaimHelpI never said it was bad, I more meant people may buy skis that won’t even fit their style of skiing because they see everyone else doing it. I’m fine with following and I do it myself lol, but sometimes people who like to ski fast and go big night but wets or something and be disappointed they didn’t turn them into cal Carson or something
Oct 18 2021 2:15AM
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ASSholebomber22
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VISHNUit's bad manners to speculate about other people's finances, sir.

Also, do you work for ON3P? Like receive a check from them? Because they way you constantly diss almost every other brand while vocally supporting ON3P doesn't really put them in the best light if you are affiliated with them. And whether you work for them or not, the way you talk on here makes you (and the brand, by extension) seem bitter, threatened, and out of touch.

Consider this a performance review.

If you don’t know bro, you probably shouldn’t be even asking about them bro.

Can’t you see bro, it’s like anti-marketing bro. Keep the brand mysterious bro and then get a bunch of chill bros to ride them bro, the skis sell themselves bro.

fr tho bro, rip vishnu, there is a new edge lord in town. Along with that bro that makes those soldier pants. Don’t cut yourself on those edges bro.
Oct 18 2021 2:28AM
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J_skis
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SessionAlso how do you idiots think J is going to magically get a pair of skis from companies that barely scrape enough cash together to make a tiny run from another OEM.

I'm gonna buy em at full price from their website just like anyone else would if that's what the winner chooses, put money where it matters most.

Small brands are the heart of this industry, the more people in this space the better. 10 years ago nobody considering buying skis from brands like us because they were too stuck on the big dogs, now it's switching. Indie brands are gaining more and more market share every year, it's dope to witness and be a part of.
Oct 18 2021 10:40AM
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animator
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J_skisI'm gonna buy em at full price from their website just like anyone else would if that's what the winner chooses, put money where it matters most.

Small brands are the heart of this industry, the more people in this space the better. 10 years ago nobody considering buying skis from brands like us because they were too stuck on the big dogs, now it's switching. Indie brands are gaining more and more market share every year, it's dope to witness and be a part of.


Damn that marketing intern got replaced REAL quick
Oct 18 2021 10:58AM
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animator
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Dude the reason I ski is because it’s a way for me to express myself. From skiing stems so much more creativity from me like photography and videography. It’s one of the only things that gets me motivated to create and express. Literally everything moves in trends too. New e-mtbs? Almost every brand has one now. When twin tips were invented? Everyone hopped on that trend. This is business 101, when there’s a way to capitalize on a trend, you’d be an idiot as a company NOT to do it. Same with consumers. 10-12 years ago, 4XL tall tees, FT boots and Saga were all, “in,” so naturally it was super common to see those things on the mountain. The whole, “you bought Vishnu’s and track pants and Pivots but you don’t know how to do a front 4 back surface to switch,” POV is kinda lame. People should be free to do what they want, buy what they want, and ski how they want without fear of being judged by others. Just my $0.02 but I know I stopped giving a shit a while ago, I just buy what makes me feel good and what I like. If you wanna judge me for that, kinda wack but you do you.
Oct 18 2021 11:03AM
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Icant_kfed
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i’m not hopping on a trend and ik skis aren’t gonna magically let me dub 10 but i just wanna ride a pair of vishnus because they look fun
Oct 18 2021 1:07PM
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cobra_commander
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VISHNUit's bad manners to speculate about other people's finances, sir.

Also, do you work for ON3P? Like receive a check from them? Because they way you constantly diss almost every other brand while vocally supporting ON3P doesn't really put them in the best light if you are affiliated with them. And whether you work for them or not, the way you talk on here makes you (and the brand, by extension) seem bitter, threatened, and out of touch.

Consider this a performance review.

This post seems bitter, threatened and sensitive, but maybe not completely out of touch to the realities of cash flow.



I’m not a shareholder so don’t consider this a performance review. But maybe talk to Faction? They have been underperforming, overspending and failing to meet promises to investors for a decade but still seem to keep on kicking.


J_skisI'm gonna buy em at full price from their website just like anyone else would if that's what the winner chooses, put money where it matters most.

Small brands are the heart of this industry, the more people in this space the better. 10 years ago nobody considering buying skis from brands like us because they were too stuck on the big dogs, now it's switching. Indie brands are gaining more and more market share every year, it's dope to witness and be a part of.

Shut the fuck up. You run one of the most exploitive marketing and retail companies posing as a small ski company. Remember when you almost bullied RMU out of business. Pepperidge Farms remembers.
animatorDamn that marketing intern got replaced REAL quick

It wasn’t an intern. It was J lev. Blink-182 released enema of the state in 1999. Lev boy here listened to what’s my age again once and said fuck yeah, that’s me!
Oct 18 2021 2:35PM
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lil.Boye
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It’s just skiing dude. I found my peace in skiing what i wanna ski, how i wanna ski and just enjoy it. Don’t need to follow the trends and jerk the tite of trendy skiing if you don’t care for it.
Oct 18 2021 2:36PM
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Emma_Watson
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VISHNUit's bad manners to speculate about other people's finances, sir.

Also, do you work for ON3P? Like receive a check from them? Because they way you constantly diss almost every other brand while vocally supporting ON3P doesn't really put them in the best light if you are affiliated with them. And whether you work for them or not, the way you talk on here makes you (and the brand, by extension) seem bitter, threatened, and out of touch.

Consider this a performance review.

brand war!!!!

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