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Hey guys, put some time and thought into making this, happy to know what you think. I know it's not likely to change much, but some action is definitely better than no action.
TLDR: By not disclosing that there would be the fast tracks program, Snowbird violated business practice in Utah by selling season passes since April without that disclosure. They can't make a fair refund because customers lost the opportunity to buy another season's pass before prices were raised. If you sign it, maybe it will help.
Op you reallllllly hate snowbird and their decisions. I'll agree the fast passes are garbage. They had that shit at Snowshoe and it was miserable last year cuz the lifties just let em all go. Combine that with covid lift lines and it made for some terribly long waits.
On the other hand, if you're so salty about snowbird, get a season pass elsewhere. There's other places ya know... Your local mentality is a bit on the nutty side, just saying.
I really really like the mountain, and my argument is pretty valid
HypeBeastOp you reallllllly hate snowbird and their decisions. I'll agree the fast passes are garbage. They had that shit at Snowshoe and it was miserable last year cuz the lifties just let em all go. Combine that with covid lift lines and it made for some terribly long waits.
On the other hand, if you're so salty about snowbird, get a season pass elsewhere. There's other places ya know... Your local mentality is a bit on the nutty side, just saying.
BigPurpleSkiSuitI really really like the mountain, and my argument is pretty valid
Going out on a limb and assuming that there is a caveot in the terms and conditions if your pass that allows Snowbird to change things without notice and by purchasing a pass you accepted that possibility. Also, is fast tracks really going to deteriorate the skiing experience that much? Kind of stretching for an argument there.
What is everyone so butt hurt about. The money only benefits the ski hill, the 20 or so people that are going to be "cutting" the line on days aren't going to change where you ski, and Its not even that much money.
Tell me you don't buy a fast pass at Disney or any other amusement park. Why wouldn't you? It's such a marginal cost to make your day that much better.
If there are only 20 people doing it, ill be astounded
soupWhat is everyone so butt hurt about. The money only benefits the ski hill, the 20 or so people that are going to be "cutting" the line on days aren't going to change where you ski, and Its not even that much money.
Tell me you don't buy a fast pass at Disney or any other amusement park. Why wouldn't you? It's such a marginal cost to make your day that much better.
BigPurpleSkiSuitIf there are only 20 people doing it, ill be astounded
Who's to say there will be more? Revelstoke has had a fast pass system for years. You get early up any day which means about three runs of fresh and then you cut the line the rest of the day. Never seen more than a couple groups of four taking it.
soupWho's to say there will be more? Revelstoke has had a fast pass system for years. You get early up any day which means about three runs of fresh and then you cut the line the rest of the day. Never seen more than a couple groups of four taking it.
If priced accordingly this will be popular. Imagine people coming in on a season pass or ikon pass. At $69 base cost, this is literally the cost of a lift ticket at a cheap resort. Why not add it on and have a full day skiing. Snowshoe did a similar thing, except made it a pass for the entire year and it was much more pricey. You'll see much more than 20 people however this really depends on what number their quota is- 100, 1000, 2000.... At a big popular resort like Snowbird I'd expect 20 people at any given time at any lift to have this pass. Then you got folks lapping you while you wait in line. But then again this really depends how many they allow to sell each day.
HypeBeastIf priced accordingly this will be popular. Imagine people coming in on a season pass or ikon pass. At $69 base cost, this is literally the cost of a lift ticket at a cheap resort. Why not add it on and have a full day skiing. Snowshoe did a similar thing, except made it a pass for the entire year and it was much more pricey. You'll see much more than 20 people however this really depends on what number their quota is- 100, 1000, 2000.... At a big popular resort like Snowbird I'd expect 20 people at any given time at any lift to have this pass. Then you got folks lapping you while you wait in line. But then again this really depends how many they allow to sell each day.
Op how about we all buy fast passes on a single random day to ensure we all get them. They we have a combined competition. Do your Chinese Downhill followed by who can lap the tram the most times in a day.
Killington added this. Couldn't say we didn't see that one coming. Just one more reason to avoid that place. Sad cuz it's a big place but the people are just dicks and now there's a fast pass. Sheesh.
Everyone: Well what is the exact number that 'limited' means
Bird:
Not going to share exact numbers, but I can tell you that it will actually really be capped at a tiny percentage of the daily traffic the resort gets, they're not bullshitting on that.
Monsieur_PatateNot going to share exact numbers, but I can tell you that it will actually really be capped at a tiny percentage of the daily traffic the resort gets, they're not bullshitting on that.
It will be fun to see how high the price goes on those weekend and holiday times!
Starting at $59.00. I guesstimate to over $100.00 on those "special" days.
Monsieur_PatateNot going to share exact numbers, but I can tell you that it will actually really be capped at a tiny percentage of the daily traffic the resort gets, they're not bullshitting on that.
Percentage. That says it all.
The bigger the crowd, the more they will sell.
Holiday times are already nuts enough.
I go first thing, get a few turns, and then hang out for a while before I go home.
Fast tracks doesn't really seem that much of an issue now that Alta actually is going to charge money to access public lands in the nearby BC terrain outside of the resort. Yeah, that stuff gets tracked out as bad as the resorts do but having a private company making money off of you for just going for a walk in your national forest and not even using their resources or infrastructure should piss you off more than another lift line.
Stop giving these places money to go ski, the terrain isn't worth your community getting exploited for profit.
**This post was edited on Nov 3rd 2021 at 3:25:37pm
DeebieSkeebiesFast tracks doesn't really seem that much of an issue now that Alta actually is going to charge money to access public lands in the nearby BC terrain outside of the resort. Yeah, that stuff gets tracked out as bad as the resorts do but having a private company making money off of you for just going for a walk in your national forest and not even using their resources or infrastructure should piss you off more than another lift line.
Stop giving these places money to go ski, the terrain isn't worth your community getting exploited for profit.
**This post was edited on Nov 3rd 2021 at 3:25:37pm
what's the rationale for that? is it something that ends up being the responsibility of ski patrol sometimes?
DeebieSkeebiesFast tracks doesn't really seem that much of an issue now that Alta actually is going to charge money to access public lands in the nearby BC terrain outside of the resort. Yeah, that stuff gets tracked out as bad as the resorts do but having a private company making money off of you for just going for a walk in your national forest and not even using their resources or infrastructure should piss you off more than another lift line.
Stop giving these places money to go ski, the terrain isn't worth your community getting exploited for profit.
**This post was edited on Nov 3rd 2021 at 3:25:37pm
To be fair, its their property that just happens to be the access point, it's not like they're overtaking some "public" area to block off access to public lands. I imagine they had tons of issues with people taking up space in their private lots that caused more issues with their resort parking, it's really not that surprising...
Alta/all of the cottonwoods resorts are trying to reduce traffic up the canyon and this seems to be the only thing that they think will do anything, I'm not sure if it the right thing but at least they're doing something.
You seemed to imply that they're lying about limiting the fast tracks passes, all I'm saying is they're not, but you don't have to believe me.
That type of data and other key business metrics are confidential for good reasons, not because they want to lie to their customers, it's just how the industry works, especially when you're part of big corp.
Monsieur_PatateYou seemed to imply that they're lying about limiting the fast tracks passes, all I'm saying is they're not, but you don't have to believe me.
That type of data and other key business metrics are confidential for good reasons, not because they want to lie to their customers, it's just how the industry works, especially when you're part of big corp.
I've worked in large corporations before, they keep things private, even among employees, and say it's just company policy in order to protect their own price points and profit margins.
Maybe POWDR Corp didn't want to lie to their customers, but what they did by introducing fast tracks 6 months after selling season passes is a clear lie by omission to begin with. I made a purchase on a product where the quality of that product was affected by fast tracks existence, and I was informed of this 6 months after my purchase. Not only did I buy a product where the quality of the product was not what I agreed upon when I bought it, but I also cannot go back in time to purchase another season's pass at the same price point. They know this, and took advantage of me and their other customers in doing so. So yeah, I don't trust for a second that POWDR Corp will limit the fast pass sales as they have said. If they really wanted to limit it, they would say, we will cap fast pass sales at X number or X percentage/total skiers anticipated per day.
Obviously they won't want too big of a line in the fast pass lane, but to overcrowd a mountain with skiers on pow days via Ikon and then 'solve' that problem by introducing a pay to skip the line option is a real slap in the face to anyone who buys a season's pass. Also a 5 minute wait will seem fast for fast pass users when compared to
Yes, I get that we don't buy a lot of 20 dollar hamburgers, or stay at the cliff lodge, or buy drinks anywhere but the now closed Tram Club, but we give them a loan for the whole summer by purchasing next year's season pass at the end of April. We're not worthless, and we're there when the snow that brings the crowds isn't.
**This post was edited on Nov 3rd 2021 at 5:15:55pm
SofaKingSickwhat's the rationale for that? is it something that ends up being the responsibility of ski patrol sometimes?
I don't think so no, but that terrain nearby that the parking lot serves as an access point to does get control work done in on, but not often. When they do, UDOT does a good job of communicating BC closures throughout the canyon in regard to stuff like that. Patrol takes care of stuff inside the ropes and its a community effort whenever they have special tasks like control work or SAR calls, meaning both snowbird and alta and other agencies work together when weather gets bad or the canyon goes into interlodge.
I believe it's another way for them to do some sort of crowd control on peak days/weekends/weeks. This will only be for like 40-50 days out of the season (weekends and holidays, maybe weeks of holidays) so its not a M-F thing, but its one of the major access points for the wasatch in terms of BC skiing and more issues are surely about to rise.
DeebieSkeebiesFast tracks doesn't really seem that much of an issue now that Alta actually is going to charge money to access public lands in the nearby BC terrain outside of the resort. Yeah, that stuff gets tracked out as bad as the resorts do but having a private company making money off of you for just going for a walk in your national forest and not even using their resources or infrastructure should piss you off more than another lift line.
Stop giving these places money to go ski, the terrain isn't worth your community getting exploited for profit.
**This post was edited on Nov 3rd 2021 at 3:25:37pm
theyre chargin you to park a personal vehicle on their property
not to access terrain
hudge difference
SFBv420.0theyre chargin you to park a personal vehicle on their property
not to access terrain
hudge difference
Whatever. Its all a joke anyways. The ski culture died in utah a long time ago but it has been fun ripping whats left of its corpse up in the last few decades.
**This post was edited on Nov 6th 2021 at 12:59:26pm
BigPurpleSkiSuitMaybe POWDR Corp didn't want to lie to their customers, but what they did by introducing fast tracks 6 months after selling season passes is a clear lie by omission to begin with. I made a purchase on a product where the quality of that product was affected by fast tracks existence, and I was informed of this 6 months after my purchase. Not only did I buy a product where the quality of the product was not what I agreed upon when I bought it, but I also cannot go back in time to purchase another season's pass at the same price point. They know this, and took advantage of me and their other customers in doing so.
**This post was edited on Nov 3rd 2021 at 5:15:55pm
This is what chapped my ass the most. Also, i tried to cancel my bird pass after the news broke and they denied it because i didnt specifically mention fast tracks as the reason for doing so, i had to call and mention that for them to cancel. It pisses me off they hide behind the 'user agreement' which would be unenforceable if it went to court, and policy is not to give refunds before they are able to provide the service you paid for AFTER they change the terms of that service you agreed to.
I think shit is going to get weird on the first pow day when the fast tracks becomes an issue and heckling starts. Im predicting we are going to see a statement from powdr to have their employees threaten pass pulling or temporary bans if any heckling happens after that first shitshow.
