New STH 16

I had no idea the made a new sth. Looks like it's mnc and has a wider afd too which is awesome. I wonder what the stack height is and what this switch is all about

BiffbarfI had no idea the made a new sth. Looks like it's mnc and has a wider afd too which is awesome. I wonder what the stack height is and what this switch is all about

Supposedly one setting is for more direct edge control and response and the other one somehow makes it more damp and impact absorbing. Sounds almost like locking your rear suspension for the climb then unlocking it for the ride down. Idk seems to me like moving parts and bindings are not a great combination

animatorSupposedly one setting is for more direct edge control and response and the other one somehow makes it more damp and impact absorbing. Sounds almost like locking your rear suspension for the climb then unlocking it for the ride down. Idk seems to me like moving parts and bindings are not a great combination

We will have to see. The sth is already the most elastic toe on the market, I'm a big fan even though i prefer pivots because of stack height. Regardless, I'm always stoked for new binding tech

BiffbarfWe will have to see. The sth is already the most elastic toe on the market, I'm a big fan even though i prefer pivots because of stack height. Regardless, I'm always stoked for new binding tech

I thought pivots had more elasticity

animatorI thought pivots had more elasticity

Only in the heel

BiffbarfOnly in the heel

Pivot heel + STH toe = rubber band bindings

animatorSupposedly one setting is for more direct edge control and response and the other one somehow makes it more damp and impact absorbing. Sounds almost like locking your rear suspension for the climb then unlocking it for the ride down. Idk seems to me like moving parts and bindings are not a great combination

i wonder how in terms of the spring inside would this work? spring gets taught out to a longer/shorter length when you flip the switch ?

So it looks like the switch is just on the baseplate and doesn't effect how the binding actually interfaces with the boot. I'd assume the switch changes the baseplate mount from a rubber to a solid interface between the binding and the ski. Sth's used a rubber 'dampening' material between the ski and the mount. I bet the switch just turns this on/off.

Also looks like a sliding afd. Meh. More things to break.

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/1013813/STH2-MNC-16---Salomon-Ski

not interested but i'm def curious what exactly the mechanism is

also hoo boy is that a stupid name for a piece of recreational equipment. STH2 MNC16 sounds like some horrible document i'd file at work

I haven't skied 'em, but as far as I can tell/have seen, it just adjusts some arbitrary "feel" of the binding by switching part of the toe-to-ski interface from either plastic to topsheet or plastic to rubber to topsheet. There was a discussion somewhere, must have been TGR. It doesn't seem to adjust the elastic travel of the binding, or lock in the AFD, so I'd be surprised if it made that big of a difference. I know some folks complain about bindings having too much elasticity, and being "mushy" so I guess they'll be fans of this. It's also interesting that Salomon seems to be pushing the "different feels for different conditions" angle, while Atomic is pushing the "different settings for different boots" side of things. I bet 99.9% of people won't ever flip that switch, and the .1% that do will just do it as a placebo.

Either way, I don't think it's gonna matter. If you need new bindings, this doesn't seem like a reason not to buy new STH's. If you have old STH's, this doesn't seem like a reason to replace them. Inbounds bindings are really good, and have been for quite some time, see the longevity of Look Pivots for example. And they're pretty durable, STH's being notably so. Brands gotta give us some excuse to buy new bindings once in a while. I don't know if I prefer pro model paint jobs or gimmicky switches but capitalism gotta capitalize.

I remember looking these up when they came out and wondering what the switch actually does. Sounds like there is either the typical plastic connection under the AFD in the “direct mode” or it sits on some rubber in the “progressive mode”.

From the Evo site-

Transfer Switch Technology – Choose between two power transfer modes at the flick of a switch. In PROGRESSIVE position, the toe pedal sits on a rubber pad, providing increased dampening to smooth out terrain and snow feedback. In DIRECT position, the toe pedal sits on hard plastic pieces, providing immediate response and the most direct edge engagement.


Looks to have the same 24.5mm heel and 18.5mm toe as before so still one of the higher binding deltas out there. Even the Attack 11 are flatter now like the other Attacks for 2022.

did this raise the stack height in the toe? The regular sth2 16s have done me better than pivots or attacks so pretty bummed to see this. At least discounts will pop up for the non-mnc 16s now.

Park.did this raise the stack height in the toe? The regular sth2 16s have done me better than pivots or attacks so pretty bummed to see this. At least discounts will pop up for the non-mnc 16s now.

The STH 16 has always been 18.5mm high in the toe and 24.5mm in the heel, so a 6mm delta. The Warden is higher in the toe(21mm) so it’s flatter overall in comparison.

The Pivot is much flatter at 19mm heel/18mm toe and the Attack GW AFD adjusts from 12-15mm in the toe(about 14mm when adjusted properly on alpine boot) and it’s 17mm in the heel, so about a 3mm difference. Griffons are about 4mm different(22mm heel and 18mm toe).

Some people are very sensitive to the differences in binding delta with too large heel/toe differences throwing off their balance. Good idea to test balance and forward lean settings in their boots on flat ground vs in their bindings in case it’s affected.

Greg_KThe STH 16 has always been 18.5mm high in the toe and 24.5mm in the heel, so a 6mm delta. The Warden is higher in the toe(21mm) so it’s flatter overall in comparison.

The Pivot is much flatter at 19mm heel/18mm toe and the Attack GW AFD adjusts from 12-15mm in the toe(about 14mm when adjusted properly on alpine boot) and it’s 17mm in the heel, so about a 3mm difference. Griffons are about 4mm different(22mm heel and 18mm toe).

Some people are very sensitive to the differences in binding delta with too large heel/toe differences throwing off their balance. Good idea to test balance and forward lean settings in their boots on flat ground vs in their bindings in case it’s affected.

New 21/22 STH 2 is 20.5mm in the toe and this extra 2mm is due to the MNC compatibility, which is honestly the big update to this binding. Whether you feel the new switch or not, the ability to certifiably fit Alpine ISO 5355, GripWalk, and Touring ISO 9523 soles into an STH binding is a bit of a big deal. It's basically a 16-DIN Warden now.

onenerdykidNew 21/22 STH 2 is 20.5mm in the toe and this extra 2mm is due to the MNC compatibility, which is honestly the big update to this binding. Whether you feel the new switch or not, the ability to certifiably fit Alpine ISO 5355, GripWalk, and Touring ISO 9523 soles into an STH binding is a bit of a big deal. It's basically a 16-DIN Warden now.

Oh good! Glad to hear it’s flatter now as I still see the 18.5mm spec on 2022 online dealer listings so assumed it hadn’t changed.

And here I am, still combing ebay everyday and stocking up on pre-STH2 Driver bindings.

Dampening belongs in skis not bindings.

@Biffbarf im a fan of moving afd bc I crank my Dins higher than rec, seems you don’t feel this way, Y? Is it simply just not wanting to replace stuff that breaks? Maybe it’s just me but it seems my bindings with moving afd release with less pain, pull on my groin and knee than the ones w/o at same din

SavageBiffDampening belongs in skis not bindings.

I am sure that you are aware, but binding elasticity provides a shit ton to the overall smoothness of an alpine setup, not only to boot retention.

At some point though less adjustability equals less stuff that can break (especially when adjusting something that arguably doesn't need to be adjustable), which is not a bad thing - especially in first year bindings. :)

SavageBiffDampening belongs in skis not bindings.

@Biffbarf im a fan of moving afd bc I crank my Dins higher than rec, seems you don’t feel this way, Y? Is it simply just not wanting to replace stuff that breaks? Maybe it’s just me but it seems my bindings with moving afd release with less pain, pull on my groin and knee than the ones w/o at same din

The sth has always had a rubber gasket thing between the binding and the ski, this looks like you can just switch to a more 'solid' mount. Idk the difference it would make.

Moving afd's work great, they just break easier than the solid afds is all.

Never knew. I love my attaaks. My jesters and my pivots, my sth are on skis I have got the least time on, which is unfortunately my yle ☹️

BiffbarfThe sth has always had a rubber gasket thing between the binding and the ski, this looks like you can just switch to a more 'solid' mount. Idk the difference it would make.

Moving afd's work great, they just break easier than the solid afds is all.