‼️Trigger Warning‼️ Post contains personal opinions

EfisherfLet me have it… I want to know your opinions.

I’m relatively new to skiing, really been into it for 2-3 years but that’s it. (I think that’s pretty new to a lot of you guys on here) I’m in my 20’s btw. So far I love it, it’s a total blast. And to be fair I live in the west, so it could even be a regional thing, BUT having some fresh eyes to the sport, there are a few things though that really get under my skin about the current ski industry/culture/climate that I’m curious if anyone else feels or can maybe shed some context on that I would’ve missed by being late to the game?

1: the elephant in the room… I have to agree that pizza before features in the park has got to go… (as soon as you have the ability to transition to carving of course.. obvi we don’t stan gate keeping)

2: what’s up with rail swaps and tons of spinning on and off rails?? Don’t get me wrong I know it’s insanely hard- but as far as style goes i feel like it looks so goofy. Hitting rails with more speed and flowier tricks and some fun jibbing looks so nice in comparison.


3: I’m confused about ski blades. Is it just like a meme or is this a real thing? If so, why?


4: another style thing… why skinny skis for park? I know swing weight etc etc but couldn’t you do essentially the same stuff but on a stompier fatter ski? Unless you’re racing I don’t really get the point of a ski under like 105(which is still on the skinny end)… imagine a sick street part with some 120 fatties… go watch @arkazakov on IG

5: Tall T - the company, not the clothing item. They put out sick products. but what in the world is their logo??


6: street parts: cut it out with the rails. A handrail here or there is beautiful but I feel like so much creativity is lost on tunnel vision for rail hunting. What about ledges? Gaps? Big drops? Idk literally anything creative

7: I feel like Andy Parry is worshipped by a lot of dudes… and don’t get me wrong he’s really talented… but so far I don’t understand the hype, Was there a video part I missed or something? (I’ve watched a lot of TC btw) maybe it’s the skinny skis and all the rail swaps talking…


I already know that this post is getting hate for sure and I know most of this is all up to personal opinion so why should I assume everyone agrees with what I find “stylish” but these are a few that really stand out to me and would love some good explanations as to why. I guess tell me to stfu if this was just way off tho..

Fuck anyone putting out hate for honest questions. Most new members just spew bullshit anyway so this is a good thread overall. Anyway, I have been skiing for almost 3 decades now so here is my .02:

1. Pizza is how you ski as an absolute beginner before you learn to turn properly etc. So it naturally makes you look pretty bad going into a feature even if you pull off a trick. Just throw a couple edge speed checks if you need to. If you have to do it to get set up right then do it but your not going to win any style points.

2.A big part of what makes rails fun is progression and instant gratification. Sure you can focus on flow and style all day but if your lapping park its cool to progress to more technical tricks instead of the same thing all season.

3. Ski blades are basically a meme but people rock them for yucks and giggles.

4. Others have explained this better but wide skies are so you can float in soft snow. Park is all groomer hard pack so its beneficial to have less swing weight etc.

5. Its just a highly stylized cursive script writing of "Tall T". The more stylized font was more popular back in the 2000s and used heavily by companies like 4FRNT, Jiberish etc. Nowadays its all block lettering which is lame IMO (I have repeatedly asked 4FRNT to start making apparel with this script again btw)

6. This has to do with accessibility and speed. Its hard to get speed to do big gaps in urban without a winch and winches are hard to get an operate unless you are with a bigger company or crew. It also takes a lot more shoveling of snow to build jumps and landings in the city. Back in the day they used elastic bungee cords called "Banshee Bungee" and during that time you saw more jumps and transitions because it was easy to use them to get speed. The product was inherently dangerous and the company eventually wend under.

Here is Cam Riley's segment from Stept WEIGHT. Cam was known for going huge on both rails and bomb drops etc


https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/1012339/WEIGHT-Part-8---Cam-Riley
7. Andy Parry is known as a legend because he brought both talent and relatability at a time skiing needed it most. Back in the late 2000's the ski culture had a problem where the content was so insane and high consequence it was hard for average skiers to relate too. Sure it was dope to watch but there was a severe disconnect between what normal people did on the mountain and the footage in the movies. Travelling Circus bridged that gap by showing fun creative ski content that could be relatable or replicated by you and your buddies at your resort or around town. This focus on fun and creativity over insane death defying content made the show so awesome.

SuspiciousFishFuck anyone putting out hate for honest questions. Most new members just spew bullshit anyway so this is a good thread overall. Anyway, I have been skiing for almost 3 decades now so here is my .02:

1. Pizza is how you ski as an absolute beginner before you learn to turn properly etc. So it naturally makes you look pretty bad going into a feature even if you pull off a trick. Just throw a couple edge speed checks if you need to. If you have to do it to get set up right then do it but your not going to win any style points.

2.A big part of what makes rails fun is progression and instant gratification. Sure you can focus on flow and style all day but if your lapping park its cool to progress to more technical tricks instead of the same thing all season.

3. Ski blades are basically a meme but people rock them for yucks and giggles.

4. Others have explained this better but wide skies are so you can float in soft snow. Park is all groomer hard pack so its beneficial to have less swing weight etc.

5. Its just a highly stylized cursive script writing of "Tall T". The more stylized font was more popular back in the 2000s and used heavily by companies like 4FRNT, Jiberish etc. Nowadays its all block lettering which is lame IMO (I have repeatedly asked 4FRNT to start making apparel with this script again btw)

6. This has to do with accessibility and speed. Its hard to get speed to do big gaps in urban without a winch and winches are hard to get an operate unless you are with a bigger company or crew. It also takes a lot more shoveling of snow to build jumps and landings in the city. Back in the day they used elastic bungee cords called "Banshee Bungee" and during that time you saw more jumps and transitions because it was easy to use them to get speed. The product was inherently dangerous and the company eventually wend under.

Here is Cam Riley's segment from Stept WEIGHT. Cam was known for going huge on both rails and bomb drops etc


https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/1012339/WEIGHT-Part-8---Cam-Riley
7. Andy Parry is known as a legend because he brought both talent and relatability at a time skiing needed it most. Back in the late 2000's the ski culture had a problem where the content was so insane and high consequence it was hard for average skiers to relate too. Sure it was dope to watch but there was a severe disconnect between what normal people did on the mountain and the footage in the movies. Travelling Circus bridged that gap by showing fun creative ski content that could be relatable or replicated by you and your buddies at your resort or around town. This focus on fun and creativity over insane death defying content made the show so awesome.

Wow.. this was a thread ender. That pretty much gave me all the context and explanations I was lacking. I had never really thought about just getting really technical in the park (we don’t really have much of a park where I live, (in and out in 3 minutes) just some baby rails and a couple kickers) but if you’re in the park all day I can see the appeal for sure. I also haven’t really made any ski friends in the area yet, so when I’m skiing by myself all day it doesn’t make a lot of sense to be practicing on rails when no one is hyping you up but I imagine in another setting I could be really hyped on it. Also cool about the stylized fonts and the bungee system thanks for explaining. The way you explained Andy and TC clarified a lot as well because they were really like my first intro into skiing. Since posting this thread I watched the new episode and was totally entertained and it did feel relatable. I can see how they really bridged the gap between these impossible video parts and just dicking around with your friends on the mountain. Andy seems like a good dude and very creative. (My perspective was pretty skewed as I wasn’t watching a lot of Andy and seeing clips of him like walking on park benches with his skis on just let me confused) now that I’ve gone back with a better perspective i really like how he doesn’t take skiing too serious but also very seriously at the same time, if that makes sense. Has a way of leveling with guys like me to pull them up to a higher level rather than only displaying the side of him performing at the highest level. Cool. Thanks again.

One thing about skinnier skis is that they're cheaper. For instance, I believe that ARV 96s are about $100 more than the 86s. And I think the 106s are about $100 more than the 96s.

Skiing is honestly hostile as fuck and part of me hates it but part of me thinks it’s necessary because I seriously have a hard time watching ski content sometimes. Ive learned to just ignore it tho I realized the only ppl that are haters are the ones that arent satisfied with their own abilities yet because if you were a baller on skis and could do any trick you want, you would probably be the change in skiing that you want to see instead of being the guy telling everyone what they can and can’t do. Tbh I still do hate on tons of shit in skiing but ive learned that theres something about skiing as a sport that just attracts ppl with a weird sense of style and thats okay, it honestly serves it purpose and just makes the dope shit that much more sick. Hopefully one day ill be dope at skiing and make baller edits myself. Until then lets just stick to hating on the important shit in skiing. That being: Ppl who are the polar extreme of what subgenre of skiing they want to be part of and they take shit way too far and its cringe. Be the spin to win guy or the creative guy but don’t get sucked into it so hard that its all you do because I can only watch you do that same shit so many times before I want to blow my brains out.

Also remember that ur a white kid whos probably talked to no more than 4 black guys in ur whole life. Just sayin

who asked

fishbaithonest question, is some of it a regional thing? Like out here powder skiing is kinda the big thing, but I imagine east coast is more park, rails, swaps, you don’t need fat skis etc… so maybe that’s a lot of it?? Again literally no hate on the east. Dudes go hard asf. Just being new to skiing and only being exposed to western ski style I wonder if there’s a whole other half to skiing I’ve just never confronted or tried?

It's definitely a personal thing and not regional. I'm from out west and we have some very notable parks around, namely squaw, mammoth, and north star. There's definitely more of a park culture out east tho I'll give you that.

hdubsIt's definitely a personal thing and not regional. I'm from out west and we have some very notable parks around, namely squaw, mammoth, and north star. There's definitely more of a park culture out east tho I'll give you that.

Okay yeah that makes sense👍🙏🏻

honestly i'm shocked at how tame and reasonable this debate was cuz usually ns arguments are shitshows

**This post was edited on Oct 1st 2021 at 12:43:29am

SlitherySnakehonestly i'm shocked at how tame and reasonable this debate was cuz usually ns arguments are shitshows

**This post was edited on Oct 1st 2021 at 12:43:29am

Hahahaha yeah in the end I actually learned a ton

I think a twiiter kid found ns guys

Piss_BoyI think a twiiter kid found ns guys

I have never had a Twitter or really understand the point.. but you seem pretty familiar with the type?