Why do some attacks feel so bad

Idk but my dads old attack 13 demo bindings felt more stable and less cheap than my friends newer attack 13

Guarantee it’s just that the Attack 11s have been set up properly and the other Attacks have not been. The Attack 11 has the same toe as the higher DIN versions but a lighter, less beefy heel. The heel stand height is higher on the 11 too as it’s geared towards beginner skiers and a higher heel will naturally lean them more forward. May be too much of a good thing for those with proper forward lean and stance already though, so the Attack 13 and up are a better bet. Attack 14 and 17 out now so HUGE deals on the 13s and 16 Attacks.

Here’s a repost of mine from a few years back on setting up attacks. Another proper AFD visual aid is that when you adjust the AFD on any Attack2 toe, the bottom 2 screw heads should be partially covered(1/3 or so) by the raised AFD. If you see the whole screw head, it’s low!

Almost guarantee that either your Anti-Friction Device(AFD) under your boot toe is too low or your forward pressure isn’t correct if you’re pre-releasing when your DIN is correct.

Afraid there are lots of techs out there that seem to miss important steps and I’d recommend always checking the AFD height and forward pressure before ever raising the DIN.

A critical step often missed by techs when testing AFD height is to put pressure on the back of the boot to try and “wheelie” the toe up and THEN test the space under the toe/AFD with a business card/.5mm spacer. The AFD should be raised until until there is resistance in trying to move the card/spacer under the toe while still pushing the back of the boot back to eliminate any slack. Low AFD is a very common cause of pre-releases.

Forward pressure adjustment is usually a bolt on the back of the heel piece is adjusted till flush(Marker bindings) or until the edge of the heel lines up in a scribed area above the heel track(Tyrolia Attack). Another common cause of pre-releases but usually not as improperly adjusted as AFD height is.

Test the AFD height and look at the heel to confirm forward pressure settings and I bet one or both are off.

Good luck

Greg_KGuarantee it’s just that the Attack 11s have been set up properly and the other Attacks have not been. The Attack 11 has the same toe as the higher DIN versions but a lighter, less beefy heel. The heel stand height is higher on the 11 too as it’s geared towards beginner skiers and a higher heel will naturally lean them more forward. May be too much of a good thing for those with proper forward lean and stance already though, so the Attack 13 and up are a better bet. Attack 14 and 17 out now so HUGE deals on the 13s and 16 Attacks.

Here’s a repost of mine from a few years back on setting up attacks. Another proper AFD visual aid is that when you adjust the AFD on any Attack2 toe, the bottom 2 screw heads should be partially covered(1/3 or so) by the raised AFD. If you see the whole screw head, it’s low!

Almost guarantee that either your Anti-Friction Device(AFD) under your boot toe is too low or your forward pressure isn’t correct if you’re pre-releasing when your DIN is correct.

Afraid there are lots of techs out there that seem to miss important steps and I’d recommend always checking the AFD height and forward pressure before ever raising the DIN.

A critical step often missed by techs when testing AFD height is to put pressure on the back of the boot to try and “wheelie” the toe up and THEN test the space under the toe/AFD with a business card/.5mm spacer. The AFD should be raised until until there is resistance in trying to move the card/spacer under the toe while still pushing the back of the boot back to eliminate any slack. Low AFD is a very common cause of pre-releases.

Forward pressure adjustment is usually a bolt on the back of the heel piece is adjusted till flush(Marker bindings) or until the edge of the heel lines up in a scribed area above the heel track(Tyrolia Attack). Another common cause of pre-releases but usually not as improperly adjusted as AFD height is.

Test the AFD height and look at the heel to confirm forward pressure settings and I bet one or both are off.

Good luck

Nailed it.

Greg_KGuarantee it’s just that the Attack 11s have been set up properly and the other Attacks have not been. The Attack 11 has the same toe as the higher DIN versions but a lighter, less beefy heel. The heel stand height is higher on the 11 too as it’s geared towards beginner skiers and a higher heel will naturally lean them more forward. May be too much of a good thing for those with proper forward lean and stance already though, so the Attack 13 and up are a better bet. Attack 14 and 17 out now so HUGE deals on the 13s and 16 Attacks.

Here’s a repost of mine from a few years back on setting up attacks. Another proper AFD visual aid is that when you adjust the AFD on any Attack2 toe, the bottom 2 screw heads should be partially covered(1/3 or so) by the raised AFD. If you see the whole screw head, it’s low!

Almost guarantee that either your Anti-Friction Device(AFD) under your boot toe is too low or your forward pressure isn’t correct if you’re pre-releasing when your DIN is correct.

Afraid there are lots of techs out there that seem to miss important steps and I’d recommend always checking the AFD height and forward pressure before ever raising the DIN.

A critical step often missed by techs when testing AFD height is to put pressure on the back of the boot to try and “wheelie” the toe up and THEN test the space under the toe/AFD with a business card/.5mm spacer. The AFD should be raised until until there is resistance in trying to move the card/spacer under the toe while still pushing the back of the boot back to eliminate any slack. Low AFD is a very common cause of pre-releases.

Forward pressure adjustment is usually a bolt on the back of the heel piece is adjusted till flush(Marker bindings) or until the edge of the heel lines up in a scribed area above the heel track(Tyrolia Attack). Another common cause of pre-releases but usually not as improperly adjusted as AFD height is.

Test the AFD height and look at the heel to confirm forward pressure settings and I bet one or both are off.

Good luck

Thank you very much

Greg_KGuarantee it’s just that the Attack 11s have been set up properly and the other Attacks have not been. The Attack 11 has the same toe as the higher DIN versions but a lighter, less beefy heel. The heel stand height is higher on the 11 too as it’s geared towards beginner skiers and a higher heel will naturally lean them more forward. May be too much of a good thing for those with proper forward lean and stance already though, so the Attack 13 and up are a better bet. Attack 14 and 17 out now so HUGE deals on the 13s and 16 Attacks.

Here’s a repost of mine from a few years back on setting up attacks. Another proper AFD visual aid is that when you adjust the AFD on any Attack2 toe, the bottom 2 screw heads should be partially covered(1/3 or so) by the raised AFD. If you see the whole screw head, it’s low!

Almost guarantee that either your Anti-Friction Device(AFD) under your boot toe is too low or your forward pressure isn’t correct if you’re pre-releasing when your DIN is correct.

Afraid there are lots of techs out there that seem to miss important steps and I’d recommend always checking the AFD height and forward pressure before ever raising the DIN.

A critical step often missed by techs when testing AFD height is to put pressure on the back of the boot to try and “wheelie” the toe up and THEN test the space under the toe/AFD with a business card/.5mm spacer. The AFD should be raised until until there is resistance in trying to move the card/spacer under the toe while still pushing the back of the boot back to eliminate any slack. Low AFD is a very common cause of pre-releases.

Forward pressure adjustment is usually a bolt on the back of the heel piece is adjusted till flush(Marker bindings) or until the edge of the heel lines up in a scribed area above the heel track(Tyrolia Attack). Another common cause of pre-releases but usually not as improperly adjusted as AFD height is.

Test the AFD height and look at the heel to confirm forward pressure settings and I bet one or both are off.

Good luck

This is fucking sick! Having only ran gen 1 attacks, none of this applied other than maybe the heel piece part. Now I’ve got gen 2s, and this is crucial!! Big big big ups for this!!!

rojo.grandeThis is fucking sick! Having only ran gen 1 attacks, none of this applied other than maybe the heel piece part. Now I’ve got gen 2s, and this is crucial!! Big big big ups for this!!!

The AFD would still need to be adjusted on the original attacks but it wasn’t as easily visible when it was wrong as it is on the Attack2 versions. You may have been lucky and someone set up the originals correctly but both versions take the same steps to adjust the AFD.

Cheers

**This post was edited on Aug 20th 2021 at 2:08:23pm

Greg_KThe AFD would still need to be adjusted on the original attacks but it wasn’t as easily visible when it was wrong as it is on the Attack2 versions. You may have been lucky and someone set up the originals correctly but both versions take the same steps to adjust the AFD.

Cheers

**This post was edited on Aug 20th 2021 at 2:08:23pm

Out here saving my ass. Thank you!!

Greg_KGuarantee it’s just that the Attack 11s have been set up properly and the other Attacks have not been. The Attack 11 has the same toe as the higher DIN versions but a lighter, less beefy heel. The heel stand height is higher on the 11 too as it’s geared towards beginner skiers and a higher heel will naturally lean them more forward. May be too much of a good thing for those with proper forward lean and stance already though, so the Attack 13 and up are a better bet. Attack 14 and 17 out now so HUGE deals on the 13s and 16 Attacks.

Here’s a repost of mine from a few years back on setting up attacks. Another proper AFD visual aid is that when you adjust the AFD on any Attack2 toe, the bottom 2 screw heads should be partially covered(1/3 or so) by the raised AFD. If you see the whole screw head, it’s low!

Almost guarantee that either your Anti-Friction Device(AFD) under your boot toe is too low or your forward pressure isn’t correct if you’re pre-releasing when your DIN is correct.

Afraid there are lots of techs out there that seem to miss important steps and I’d recommend always checking the AFD height and forward pressure before ever raising the DIN.

A critical step often missed by techs when testing AFD height is to put pressure on the back of the boot to try and “wheelie” the toe up and THEN test the space under the toe/AFD with a business card/.5mm spacer. The AFD should be raised until until there is resistance in trying to move the card/spacer under the toe while still pushing the back of the boot back to eliminate any slack. Low AFD is a very common cause of pre-releases.

Forward pressure adjustment is usually a bolt on the back of the heel piece is adjusted till flush(Marker bindings) or until the edge of the heel lines up in a scribed area above the heel track(Tyrolia Attack). Another common cause of pre-releases but usually not as improperly adjusted as AFD height is.

Test the AFD height and look at the heel to confirm forward pressure settings and I bet one or both are off.

Good luck

should i have any worries asking a shop to do this for me? Like if i go in there and ask for them to set the afd should i be fine?

Piss_Boyshould i have any worries asking a shop to do this for me? Like if i go in there and ask for them to set the afd should i be fine?

No, some techs are allegedly good and capable of setting up various bindings properly but whenever I've had shops do mounts the adjustments are almost always off and I end up readjusting forward pressure, AFD height, or both.

Piss_Boyshould i have any worries asking a shop to do this for me? Like if i go in there and ask for them to set the afd should i be fine?

You shouldn’t have any worries having a shop install bindings, actually the opposite as they are on the hook for any issues you might have vs doing it yourself. The difference is you now have more knowledge to check their work and to adjust it in the future when you get boot sole wear.

You should always test your boot in the binding when you pick your skis after to make sure they are mounted where you want, the DIN are all set on the toe and heel and forward pressure looks good. AFD should be adjusted as well and as I mentioned early, you can do a quick visible check on the Attack2 bindings with the 2 screw heads slightly covered(1/4-1/2 maybe) by the moved AFD. Pic of an adjusted toe but they will vary a bit.

**This post was edited on Aug 21st 2021 at 3:16:56pm