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The Taliban is murdering everyone who associated with the USA. They're pledging to treat women equally while they behead those not wearing hijabs. People are falling from the wings of planes just to get out of their own country.
Really puts in perspective how good western culture has it.
The current US administration is hiding and pretending nothing is happening.
We really need to help those in need. People who voted Biden should donate first =)
I feel so bad for the people of Afghanistan. I read today the taliban is trying to become a legitimate government lol. Well that only happens and will only be recognized if they stop raping and beheading people and have some goddamn decency. They're also the biggest hypocrites. They don't follow the ridiculous rules they preach yet think they have the authority to enforce them.
Anything is possible but for any of that to happen, they need to get off their high horse and have some respect for others at minimum.
Biden handled this terribly. Leaving US citizens stranded after pulling out our forces shows how little thought he put into the decision to exit when he did. While I agree that we shouldn't be fighting their war, the way in which we exited after 20 years of battle is embarrassing.
I don’t think anyone, including Biden voters, would consider this “withdrawal” anywhere close to successful
SourSteezleBiden handled this terribly. Leaving US citizens stranded after pulling out our forces shows how little thought he put into the decision to exit when he did. While I agree that we shouldn't be fighting their war, the way in which we exited after 20 years of battle is embarrassing.
So you mean we shouldn’t have been there in the first place. This withdrawal was brutally executed. We could have been taking in SIV’s etc. for months now and started evac processes before we fucking ran away from Bagram and made Kabul International the ONLY way to escape hence everyone on the run way clinging to C17’s. Bagram had helo’s that take off vertically eliminating the need to clear a whole runway and we just magically shut that airfield down weeks prior to this. This whole situation is embarrassing as hell for us.
JeremyClarksonIm totally fine with the pull out, its their country, let them govern themselves. No more Americans dying for Israel.
VTshredder69You basically invade a foreign country, you get the locals mad. They then band together and take over once you leave because there is a power vaccuum.
Wasn't this just like ISIS taking over in Iraq?
this this this. you'd think we'd learn that taking over, trying to install a regime, and then propping it up with military might doesn't work
How does the military industrial complex profit then?
AndrewGravesSVthis this this. you'd think we'd learn that taking over, trying to install a regime, and then propping it up with military might doesn't work
probably should have taken a little of our equipment back with us before completely pulling out, oh and maybe could have brought back our civilians too. but hey what do i know
DesertStixI don’t think anyone, including Biden voters, would consider this “withdrawal” anywhere close to successful
The sad thing is is was blatantly obvious to everyone aside from our intelligence community that the Afghan army would fold the second we left. The 'soldiers' literally just screwed around the whole time and used the US Military as a giant skimming operation to make money.
Have you ever listened to zero blog thirty? Since I’ve only been in the Middle East as a civ, I try to listen to combat vets when it comes to tactical shit and they were saying this much. They did admit at times, Afghan nationals would excel at their jobs but more often than not they would just be sleeping at their MG nest during overwatch. It was extremely obvious to everyone, including the generals asking for more money and troops, that our effort was insufficient for building infrastructure there.
SuspiciousFishThe sad thing is is was blatantly obvious to everyone aside from our intelligence community that the Afghan army would fold the second we left. The 'soldiers' literally just screwed around the whole time and used the US Military as a giant skimming operation to make money.
WoFlowzWait till people find out it was Trump who signed this treaty with the taliban against the advisement of the DOD and Pentagon. Lolllllll
Sure, we need to get out of Afghanistan. Biden knew this was the deal since Day 1 of office and pushed back the timeframe and sat on his hands until the situation blew up in his face.
DesertStixHave you ever listened to zero blog thirty? Since I’ve only been in the Middle East as a civ, I try to listen to combat vets when it comes to tactical shit and they were saying this much. They did admit at times, Afghan nationals would excel at their jobs but more often than not they would just be sleeping at their MG nest during overwatch. It was extremely obvious to everyone, including the generals asking for more money and troops, that our effort was insufficient for building infrastructure there.
I have not heard of that but I will check it out. I posted it in the last page but the Vice documentary "This is what winning looks like" shows the situation in extremely blatant terms. I still cant believe the Pentagon and our intelligence apparatus misread the obvious to such a degree.
.frenchyprobably should have taken a little of our equipment back with us before completely pulling out, oh and maybe could have brought back our civilians too. but hey what do i know
Yes the us left a lot of stuff....but I was under the impression that most vehicles and aircraft they got were abandoned by the afghan army not the US. Is that not the case?
SuspiciousFishI have not heard of that but I will check it out. I posted it in the last page but the Vice documentary "This is what winning looks like" shows the situation in extremely blatant terms. I still cant believe the Pentagon and our intelligence apparatus misread the obvious to such a degree.
My dad had to deal with the legal shit storm of out civilians that worked for the dod and civilian contractors. It’s still a shit show…
They were saying that Americans couldn’t stomach the sheer amount of money and man power it would take to truly “nation build” and were never going to authorize that in DC. Essentially they embarked on a fucked mission without the proper supplies.
SuspiciousFishI have not heard of that but I will check it out. I posted it in the last page but the Vice documentary "This is what winning looks like" shows the situation in extremely blatant terms. I still cant believe the Pentagon and our intelligence apparatus misread the obvious to such a degree.
Profahoben_212Yes the us left a lot of stuff....but I was under the impression that most vehicles and aircraft they got were abandoned by the afghan army not the US. Is that not the case?
I wonder this too. Apparently the bigger stuff like helos etc might have been rendered useless and left by us. I’ve heard some analysts say half the shit we see them parade on TV doesn’t even work or they would have no way of operating it. I’m curious as well…
Profahoben_212Yes the us left a lot of stuff....but I was under the impression that most vehicles and aircraft they got were abandoned by the afghan army not the US. Is that not the case?
DesertStixThey were saying that Americans couldn’t stomach the sheer amount of money and man power it would take to truly “nation build” and were never going to authorize that in DC. Essentially they embarked on a fucked mission without the proper supplies.
people can barely stomach the gov spending money to build our own nation
.frenchy2 explosions at kabul airport. must be that friendly taliban!
It's ISIS...
The US and Taliban are enemies, but both governments hate ISIS even more. Sharing a common enemy has been one minor benefit to the evacuation. The Taliban has an incentive to help the US gtfo of Afghanistan because as long as there's a huge military and civilian presence there, ISIS has an easy target for terror attacks. The Taliban needs America to leave so they can focus on their own domestic terror groups
DesertStixBut let’s spend trillions of dollars in the Middle East trying to implement democracy and see how that goes, amirite?
Idk about all of that implementing democracy shit. Seems to me like fuel for the military industrial complex with a side of neo imperialism.
I'm pretty over all this outrage and fake sympathy for the Afghan people like we weren't there for 20 years conducting drone strikes with over 80% civilian casualties. The Taliban offered a full surrender in 2001 and there was another good chance for a peace deal in 2003. Instead, we stayed, killed, and displaced people in the name of peace and democracy. Its no wonder theres a big population of people there who hate us. Daily reminder that in Star Wars, the good guys aren't the Empire.
All our presidents are war criminals and that's the truth.
BrandoComandoIt's ISIS...
The US and Taliban are enemies, but both governments hate ISIS even more. Sharing a common enemy has been one minor benefit to the evacuation. The Taliban has an incentive to help the US gtfo of Afghanistan because as long as there's a huge military and civilian presence there, ISIS has an easy target for terror attacks. The Taliban needs America to leave so they can focus on their own domestic terror groups
theyre both fucking trash and want to kill americans... shut up
.frenchytheyre both fucking trash and want to kill americans... shut up
I mean yes, but it does bring in the 'the enemy of my enemy is friend' factor. The goal at the point should be to get everyone who is a target or heavily oppressed by the Taliban out. The ship of elimating the Taliban or ISIS has sailed.
.frenchytheyre both fucking trash and want to kill americans... shut up
There's nuance in global politics. The Taliban isn't the same organization it was in 2001. They've agreed to a temporary peace to help American citizens and American allies flee the country. By no means do I support them, but they're by far the lesser of two evils. The Pentagon needs to work with them if we want Americans to safely return home.
ISIS is an entirely different entity. They're a radicalized terrorist group. They literally suicide-bombed the airport a few hours ago. They can't be reasoned with - even by nations in the middle east.
You will find zero argument here. I was mostly saying that tongue in cheek. We were being sold that lie as American people when in reality, anyone with critical thinking skills could see the war profiteering.
AndrewGravesSVIdk about all of that implementing democracy shit. Seems to me like fuel for the military industrial complex with a side of neo imperialism.
I'm pretty over all this outrage and fake sympathy for the Afghan people like we weren't there for 20 years conducting drone strikes with over 80% civilian casualties. The Taliban offered a full surrender in 2001 and there was another good chance for a peace deal in 2003. Instead, we stayed, killed, and displaced people in the name of peace and democracy. Its no wonder theres a big population of people there who hate us. Daily reminder that in Star Wars, the good guys aren't the Empire.
All our presidents are war criminals and that's the truth.
BrandoComandoThere's nuance in global politics. The Taliban isn't the same organization it was in 2001. They've agreed to a temporary peace to help American citizens and American allies flee the country. By no means do I support them, but they're by far the lesser of two evils. The Pentagon needs to work with them if we want Americans to safely return home.
ISIS is an entirely different entity. They're a radicalized terrorist group. They literally suicide-bombed the airport a few hours ago. They can't be reasoned with - even by nations in the middle east.
They condemned it almost immediately. The Taliban is the government of Afghanistan now. Civilian deaths are the deaths of their own people. They pointed fingers at the US for lack of security, but the Taliban doesn't supporting ISIS terrorism.
SourSteezleBiden handled this terribly. Leaving US citizens stranded after pulling out our forces shows how little thought he put into the decision to exit when he did. While I agree that we shouldn't be fighting their war, the way in which we exited after 20 years of battle is embarrassing.
It all seemed pretty contrived if you ask me. Like they knew this was going to happen.
JeremyClarksonIm totally fine with the pull out, its their country, let them govern themselves. No more Americans dying for Israel.
You get it. But Israeli agents are now pushing for another proxy and possibly hotwar with Syria and possibly Iran. So shun any public offical that pushes for war because they are probably getting paid by AIPAC or the arms industry.
Shits fucked, if you were monitoring the radar you would have just seen several C17s flying into Kabul and then go off radar. They're pulling people out as fast as they can, but I would honestly be very surprised if we got absolutely everyone out by August 31st. Some people will likely be left behind.
SuspiciousFishIts worse than that. Remember Lawrence of Arabia? He helped the Arabs fight a guerilla war against the Ottoman Empire in WWI with the promise that if they won then the European powers would give them the land. Unfortunately, about this time they found a shit ton of oil there so the Europeans signed the secret Sykes Picot agreement which ended up getting leaked to the Arabs by the Bolsheviks. It was basically a plan to carve up the Middle East into puppet states to get oil which created the Middle East as we know it today. Between that and the British saying "Fuck it" and allowing the Jewish terrorist factions to take over Israel when the Palestine Mandate ended after they bombed the King David hotel and some railroads.
So all that sums up to a lot of pissed off people in a region that are easily united by the more extreme factions of their religion.
Conspiracy time.
The radical Islamic faction, Hezb-e Islami, which was armed and trained by the Israelis and the US, went on to become al Qaida. It is also important to note that the Israeli covert operation to arm and train Hezb-e Islami was carried out by Ehud Barak, the head of Israel's Military Intelligence Directorate, AMAN (1983–1985). The Irgun, Stern Gang, Lehi, Haganah were ruthless Zionist Jewish terror groups, the leadership of Israel are simply the pupils of these groups.
Ehud Barak, the former Israeli prime minister and chief of defense, also happens to be the first person on 9/11 to blame Osama bin Laden and al Qaida, something he did from the London studio of BBC World television, literally before the towers 'collapsed' and before anyone knew what the hell was going on.
Barak stated: "Bin Laden sits in Afghanistan," Barak said on 9-11. "We know where the terror sites are. It's time for action."
Barak further stated we must create a coalition that institutes global war on terror (Yinon) and proposed we bomb Palestine (which we never did), Afghanistan, Iraq and we send US forces into these areas.
Interestingly, the Associated Press broadcasted a staged event called the dancing Palestinians where hours after the attacks, 'journalists' told a group of Palestinians to cheer if they wanted several cakes for free, so they cheered for the camera and that story was then propagandized around the world as Palestinians celebrating the terror attacks. Of course, we know now who was celebrating 9/11, that would be the dancing Israelis who set up cameras to capture 9/11 before it happened. These were Mossad agents that fled back to Israel (let off by dual-israel Chertoff) and openly stated on Israeli tv that they were "there to document the event" (all of this can be read in the FBI's TwinBomb document where they discoved hundreds of Mossad agents in NYC just before and during the 9/11 event).
Why would Ehud Barak, the most senior member of Israel's military intelligence establishment, call for the U.S. to invade Afghanistan before any investigation of the terror crimes of 9-11 had even begun? How would Israel benefit from a U.S.-led
invasion and occupation of Afghanistan?
Robert Anton Wilson said,"Every war results from the struggle for markets and spheres of influence."
Figured it out yet? Well you had the US empire and the UNOCAL issue, which probably could have been resolved with the Taliban and you had mossad agent Yosef A. Maiman's Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan-India (TAPI) gas pipeline through
Maiman's Merhav Group who also owned Eltek, Ltd. whose director Eytan Barak was director for ICTS, an Israeli aviation security company that owns Huntleigh USA, the passenger screening company directly involved with the planes and passenger screening operations on 9-11. Probably all just coincidences, because like all the Evangelicals say, ISRAEL is OUR 'greatest ally!'
As for Israel and the US arms deals, Israel had ripped off the U.S. government and its allies in the anti-Soviet campaign in Afghanistan for $300 million in 1985.
**This post was edited on Aug 26th 2021 at 4:44:31pm
In any case, fuck Afghanistan. Its a shitty backwater of the world and the people there are going to be screwed over by pedophile warlords or Islamic extremists so lets not waste any more money pretending these people can function in a Democracy.
I was told by a VET who did service in Afghanistan and drove CIA agents and intel/PsyOp army officals around that most of the Taliban safehouses were fully controlled by the CIA.
The radical Islamic faction, Hezb-e Islami, which was armed and trained by the Israelis and the US, went on to become al Qaida. It is also important to note that the Israeli covert operation to arm and train Hezb-e Islami was carried out by Ehud Barak, the head of Israel's Military Intelligence Directorate, AMAN (1983–1985). The Irgun, Stern Gang, Lehi, Haganah were ruthless Zionist Jewish terror groups, the leadership of Israel are simply the pupils of these groups.
Ehud Barak, the former Israeli prime minister and chief of defense, also happens to be the first person on 9/11 to blame Osama bin Laden and al Qaida, something he did from the London studio of BBC World television, literally before the towers 'collapsed' and before anyone knew what the hell was going on.
Barak stated: "Bin Laden sits in Afghanistan," Barak said on 9-11. "We know where the terror sites are. It's time for action."
Barak further stated we must create a coalition that institutes global war on terror (Yinon) and proposed we bomb Palestine (which we never did), Afghanistan, Iraq and we send US forces into these areas.
Interestingly, the Associated Press broadcasted a staged event called the dancing Palestinians where hours after the attacks, 'journalists' told a group of Palestinians to cheer if they wanted several cakes for free, so they cheered for the camera and that story was then propagandized around the world as Palestinians celebrating the terror attacks. Of course, we know now who was celebrating 9/11, that would be the dancing Israelis who set up cameras to capture 9/11 before it happened. These were Mossad agents that fled back to Israel (let off by dual-israel Chertoff) and openly stated on Israeli tv that they were "there to document the event" (all of this can be read in the FBI's TwinBomb document where they discoved hundreds of Mossad agents in NYC just before and during the 9/11 event).
**This post was edited on Aug 26th 2021 at 4:44:31pm
Good on you for knowing whats up. Its surprising how many people dont know about the Dancing Israelis scandal.
BrandoComandoIt's ISIS...
The US and Taliban are enemies, but both governments hate ISIS even more. Sharing a common enemy has been one minor benefit to the evacuation. The Taliban has an incentive to help the US gtfo of Afghanistan because as long as there's a huge military and civilian presence there, ISIS has an easy target for terror attacks. The Taliban needs America to leave so they can focus on their own domestic terror groups
If the Taliban is so focused on helping Americans leave, then why are they continually assaulting American women trying to get to the airport and not letting them travel there without a male escort?
Needing them to leave doesn’t mean they’re going to politely help them
JAHpowIf the Taliban is so focused on helping Americans leave, then why are they continually assaulting American women trying to get to the airport and not letting them travel there without a male escort?
SuspiciousFishGood on you for knowing whats up. Its surprising how many people dont know about the Dancing Israelis scandal.
I wonder why nobody knows about it? The media instead of rolling with the truth made up a lie to counter the Dancing Israelis called the dancing Palestinians which was curiously broadcasted everywhere. It might have to do with this excerpt from the FBI's 'TwinBomb (there were no bombs? or were there?) investigation':
"Our prupsoe was to document the event." — Dancing Israelis on Israeli television.
"Give us 20 years and we'll take over your media and destroy your country." — Mossad's Dancing Israelis, celebrating the global destruction of the twin towers on 9/11, the inteligence agents of our 'greatest ally,' Israel.
Plus, 9/11 served US geopolitical interests and the NSA director even admited that "we can milk this thing for another 15 years." So, it was 'best' to cover-up any Mossad involvement.
Sivan and Paul Kurzberg, Yaron Shmuel, Oded Ellner and Omer Marmari; also should add Dominic Suter, who also fled the US to Israel and the hundreds of other Mossad agents that were in NYC at the time.
qazwsxedc34I wonder why nobody knows about it? The media instead of rolling with the truth made up a lie to counter the Dancing Israelis called the dancing Palestinians which was curiously broadcasted everywhere. It might have to do with this excerpt from the FBI's 'TwinBomb (there were no bombs? or were there?) investigation':
"Our prupsoe was to document the event." — Dancing Israelis on Israeli television.
"Give us 20 years and we'll take over your media and destroy your country." — Mossad's Dancing Israelis, celebrating the global destruction of the twin towers on 9/11, the inteligence agents of our 'greatest ally,' Israel.
Plus, 9/11 served US geopolitical interests and the NSA director even admited that "we can milk this thing for another 15 years." So, it was 'best' to cover-up any Mossad involvement.
Sivan and Paul Kurzberg, Yaron Shmuel, Oded Ellner and Omer Marmari; also should add Dominic Suter, who also fled the US to Israel and the hundreds of other Mossad agents that were in NYC at the time.
Lastly, I'll add, just to erudiate the truth that the FBI's investigation was code named PENTTBOM investigation, an acronym for the Pentagon and Twin Tower's bombing (their words). 90% of this investigation is classifed. They also conducted teh Dancing Israeli Investigation and found that most of the 'hijackers' had Mossad handlers, one 'hijacker' who used to work for Israeli intel.
If anyone wishes to actually know the truth about this, not what you're told by the media and their billionaire sharholders, see pdf links at bottom.
^ ^ ^ All the declassifed FOIA requested documents can be found in pdf format in the link above. To note, the website is not the Israeli lobby (AIPAC) but the Institute for Research: Middle-eastern Policy and advocates making AIPAC register as a foreign agent like JFK and RFK would have instituted had they not been assassinated. In these documents you'll fine Mossad handlers living near the hijackers, near where the anthrax attacks were sent through the mail and many mossad agents in NYC 9 months before and during 9/11 who were explosive experts. Our greatest ally has agents:
"...setting up cameras before 9/11 and as it occured high-fiving, horsing around, smiling, hugging each other and looking jovial but not at all shocked..." according to several eye-witnesses.
""[T]he Israelis are visibly happy on nearly all" of the photos. And there weren't just a few; there were "seventy-six" photographs. "[N]early all" of 76 is about five or six dozen photos"
"Sivan Kurzberg was celebrating by "holding a lighted lighter in the foreground, with the smoldering wreckage in the background", like he was at a rock concert."
I didn't mention Jews, you did. Israel does not define all Jews, Zionism does not define all Jews or whatever Mossad agents do, who are Jews, does not conflate their actions with Jews as a whole. If a Catholic priest in another country raped a child, would that mean your Catholic neighbor is complicit?
I mean, Jews were caught on a van dancing and filming 911, got caught by the NYPD and FBI, held by the US Government then quietly shipped back Israel. They then went on TV and said they travelled to the US to document 911 which in the very least shows Israel knew the attacks were going to happen.
The whole situation was sketchy AF and even some mainstream news covered it:
SuspiciousFishI mean, Jews were caught on a van dancing and filming 911, got caught by the NYPD and FBI, held by the US Government then quietly shipped back Israel. They then went on TV and said they travelled to the US to document 911 which in the very least shows Israel knew the attacks were going to happen.
The whole situation was sketchy AF and even some mainstream news covered it:
