Wild theories about the universe

Go watch some exurbia videos.

unless God exists, it will be all for nothing.

hunterS.dolansonGo watch some exurbia videos.

unless God exists, it will be all for nothing.

I've definitely watched my fair share of exurbia videos, existential nihilism is the wave

mrk127I've definitely watched my fair share of exurbia videos, existential nihilism is the wave

I dont know what it is about a sharp and witty british accent. It just seems alot more poignant than an american accent. I think there is in some way more intellectual merit behind the way british ppl speak. It just flows better and it can be spoken faster than drawling redneck or midwestern american accents.

But exurbia is more than just a witty sounding british accent explaining the current state of scientific knowledge. He is very very clever and has a great sense of humor. It tickles me that he also finds buddhism interesting and he even seemed to have described people like me in one of his videos.

Overall he seems broken by being the welder of such hopelessly cynical scientific knowledge that says it is very possible that in the end, nobody will ever know what humans were like or that we even existed. If that realization doesnt make a damn good effort at breaking you there is something wrong with you.

Its almost insane how important it is for God to exist.

Im pretty sure its a lot more simple than we all want to think it is...

mrk127? Like are we living in a simulation? Is time real? we perceive the x,y,z dimensions.

Yo the jet skis dimension?!?
jetskis.xyz confirmed 5th dimension?

DingoSeanIm pretty sure its a lot more simple than we all want to think it is...

Unless everything is more complicated than we could possibly imagine

DingoSeanIm pretty sure its a lot more simple than we all want to think it is...

mrk127Unless everything is more complicated than we could possibly imagine

Feynman believed that one day qm would be understood so simply you wouldnt even need math to understand it perfectly.



but who knows.

mrk127Unless everything is more complicated than we could possibly imagine

Unless its only complicated to us and its a matter of perspective.

you all ever just get baked as hell in a completely remote region and look at the stars on a clear night. Then realize that our sun is a single star in a space continuum of trillions.

So I came to this conclusion when I was like 10 but hear me out. Let this mind fuck settle for a minute.... Where does the universe end and how did it start?... How? Thinking where the universe ends is literally a mind fuck. Infinity is incomprehensible. If you really really think about it, WHERE DOES IT END!? It simply can't start from nothing. What's beyond? Heaven and hell? Does it just warp and bend? Is there a God? How did the universe start?

My theory....is that because you can't create matter out of nothing, the universe or God or whatever came first, came to be as a result of some sort of wormhole/blackhole/whatever it's called that transported matter (or God) back in time which then allowed the universe to be created. If we believe that time is not linear, then this could be possible. Shit just can't exist without cause, can it?

Then again we humans are simple minded and probably can't comprehend the complexities of how the universe came to be.

Tldr: time travel.

hunterS.dolansonIts almost insane how important it is for God to exist.

All you gotta do is take a world religion 101 course to realize how foolish religion is and its origins....and I went to catholic school ffs. It's a way for people to explain the unexplainable and to find comfort when shit just goes south. I'll agree there's some arguments to support a higher power but to think any religion is superior over another is moronic. Think about how many people have died over religion throughout the millenia. Hundreds of millions.

But back to some other comments, think about how insignificant you really are in this world. Your problems are a drop in the bucket too.

HypeBeastAll you gotta do is take a world religion 101 course to realize how foolish religion is and its origins....and I went to catholic school ffs. It's a way for people to explain the unexplainable and to find comfort when shit just goes south. I'll agree there's some arguments to support a higher power but to think any religion is superior over another is moronic. Think about how many people have died over religion throughout the millenia. Hundreds of millions.

But back to some other comments, think about how insignificant you really are in this world. Your problems are a drop in the bucket too.

Yes I agree religion is incredibly foolish but I feel like it’s totally plausible for there to be a creator of the universe. Kinda wild if the universe came into being on it’s own without any sort of “creator” intervention

hunterS.dolansonunless God exists, it will be all for nothing.

It is all for nothing.

Literally who cares. youre only gonna live to like 85 or something at best and then die of heart failure. Live your life, be a good dude to those around you, and avoid religion like a Maga avoids the vaccine if you want to be free to think for yourself...

HypeBeastI went to catholic school

Me too. Pretty sure Ill need therapy for the rest of my life to get over that trauma...

mrk127Yes I agree religion is incredibly foolish but I feel like it’s totally plausible for there to be a creator of the universe. Kinda wild if the universe came into being on it’s own without any sort of “creator” intervention

Its totally plausible yes... its also totally plausible that that 'creator' is a flying spaghetti monster who doesn't care about us or that we are literally just a 'fish tank in the corner of the room' for some higher level civilization's ambiance/entertainment or otherwise.

What I find less likely is that god is some invisible old man in a white robe with a virgin birth'd white blue eyed middle eastern son, who's also him or whatever other christian depictions have shown.

In any case, science will always outperform religious faith in the means of explaining our universe for us... Burn all the books on earth right now, take us back to the stone age and living in a cave in a mountain, and in 1000 years or less if humanity survives, all the science books will be back and you cannot say the same for all religions...

HypeBeastAll you gotta do is take a world religion 101 course to realize how foolish religion is and its origins....and I went to catholic school ffs. It's a way for people to explain the unexplainable and to find comfort when shit just goes south. I'll agree there's some arguments to support a higher power but to think any religion is superior over another is moronic. Think about how many people have died over religion throughout the millenia. Hundreds of millions.

But back to some other comments, think about how insignificant you really are in this world. Your problems are a drop in the bucket too.

I didnt say religion. I said God. The idea of God imo transcends anything religion has ever done of accomplished or meant.



and as far as religions starting wars, check out buddhism. Its pretty peaceful compared to most religions. Buddhism is what i would choose if i had to choose a religion as is.

But my idea of God is based on the fact that existence seems to be a thing.

id call my religion somethingism. If you want to preach nothingism (nihilism) then you gotta explain what the hell all this shit is doing here

DingoSeanIt is all for nothing.

Literally who cares. youre only gonna live to like 85 or something at best and then die of heart failure. Live your life, be a good dude to those around you, and avoid religion like a Maga avoids the vaccine if you want to be free to think for yourself...

You cant blame ppl for seeking meaning in life.



you sound kind of condescending.

and to claim it outright like you did that it is all or nothing is some pretty budget intellectualism dingo.

the best we can say is we dont know.

Idk man earths wack so are brains

What if "God" is just some alien programmer and we are all living in a computer simulation

hunterS.dolansonI didnt say religion. I said God. The idea of God imo transcends anything religion has ever done of accomplished or meant.



and as far as religions starting wars, check out buddhism. Its pretty peaceful compared to most religions. Buddhism is what i would choose if i had to choose a religion as is.

But my idea of God is based on the fact that existence seems to be a thing.

id call my religion somethingism. If you want to preach nothingism (nihilism) then you gotta explain what the hell all this shit is doing here

1. Religion is literally faith in a specific God or set of gods ... If you believe in a specific higher power, then youre religious. If you honestly dont choose, then youre at the very least a theist.

2. Buddhism? Brrrruhh might I remind you of the Rohingya genocide thats been going on for like 4 years where tens of thousands of people have been murdered pillaged and literally gang raped by local Buddhists and the Myanmar military and caused a massive refugee crisis - the largest refugee camp in the world right now - in Bangladesh...
Not to mention extremely aggressive sects around the buddhist world like the Ikkoikki, who while primarily defensive, also constantly raided and killed people in offensive attacks for years until Oda Nobunaga finally subjugated them...

3. Like I already stated, youre a theist. I claim to be more of an agnostic atheist - which is to say, I don't believe in god, but Im open to the idea if considerable proof is given - of which none has been presented to me that's even remotely adequate. The wonders of the universe don't lead me to think or even consider that this was all designed by something bigger. Even things that are not yet explained by physics and science dont prove that theres a god inherently, it just proves that theres limits to what we have learned scientifically and means we have a lot more to learn as a species. Which yeah, could lead to there being a 'god' but it sure doesn't mean that what cant be explained automatically by the merely 300 or so years of post-newtonian science means theres a god. We have a lot more to learn, and Im sure we can agree about that.

On that note.. The whole point of atheism is that the burden of proof is entirely on religious people or 'theists'. Atheists are inherently antireligious (anti-theistic if you will) about their positions... They dont have to prove shit. They are secure in their lives knowing that youre born and you die and maybe or probably nothing happens after that (nihilists feel a little bit stronger with the idea like theres probably nothing and live by that). Religious people (or fine... god believers or somethingists if that makes you feel warm and fuzzy) are compelled to answer entirely unnecessary questions such as 'whats the point of all this' or 'what put me here', and then feel like they must aggressively share the answers they have made up or been told about without any scientific proof. Atheists dont have to prove their position. Its not a religion nor is it organized.

If your presented evidence about there being a god doesnt convince me then I just go back to what I was already doing and nothing profound has changed in my life whatsoever.

I dont find anything cosmically special about humanity whatsoever. If theres a god(s) they sure seem to not give a flying fuck about us, or existence. You cant convince me for a second that children who were born with horrible deformities or painful conditions are part of God's plan and see that as a good thing. If theres really an omnipotent god, they can lick the asshole they so conveniently located next to my sweaty ass taint and hairy ass balls for allowing that kinda shit. God is either dead, or God could go fuck themselves. The end.

The subjects in the simulation have no ability to comprehend the parameters of the simulation.

I’ve always found the concept that “every decision we make, there is another copy of us in another dimension making the opposite” trippy.

I didn’t believe in an after life for a good while but the concept of energy never dying has actually made me kind of believe in an after life. Whether than means reincarnation, what - I can’t say. It’s the same with water - it is always there. It never goes away. It is just recycled.

DingoSean1. Religion is literally faith in a specific God or set of gods ... If you believe in a specific higher power, then youre religious. If you honestly dont choose, then youre at the very least a theist.

2. Buddhism? Brrrruhh might I remind you of the Rohingya genocide thats been going on for like 4 years where tens of thousands of people have been murdered pillaged and literally gang raped by local Buddhists and the Myanmar military and caused a massive refugee crisis - the largest refugee camp in the world right now - in Bangladesh...
Not to mention extremely aggressive sects around the buddhist world like the Ikkoikki, who while primarily defensive, also constantly raided and killed people in offensive attacks for years until Oda Nobunaga finally subjugated them...

3. Like I already stated, youre a theist. I claim to be more of an agnostic atheist - which is to say, I don't believe in god, but Im open to the idea if considerable proof is given - of which none has been presented to me that's even remotely adequate. The wonders of the universe don't lead me to think or even consider that this was all designed by something bigger. Even things that are not yet explained by physics and science dont prove that theres a god inherently, it just proves that theres limits to what we have learned scientifically and means we have a lot more to learn as a species. Which yeah, could lead to there being a 'god' but it sure doesn't mean that what cant be explained automatically by the merely 300 or so years of post-newtonian science means theres a god. We have a lot more to learn, and Im sure we can agree about that.

On that note.. The whole point of atheism is that the burden of proof is entirely on religious people or 'theists'. Atheists are inherently antireligious (anti-theistic if you will) about their positions... They dont have to prove shit. They are secure in their lives knowing that youre born and you die and maybe or probably nothing happens after that (nihilists feel a little bit stronger with the idea like theres probably nothing and live by that). Religious people (or fine... god believers or somethingists if that makes you feel warm and fuzzy) are compelled to answer entirely unnecessary questions such as 'whats the point of all this' or 'what put me here', and then feel like they must aggressively share the answers they have made up or been told about without any scientific proof. Atheists dont have to prove their position. Its not a religion nor is it organized.

If your presented evidence about there being a god doesnt convince me then I just go back to what I was already doing and nothing profound has changed in my life whatsoever.

I dont find anything cosmically special about humanity whatsoever. If theres a god(s) they sure seem to not give a flying fuck about us, or existence. You cant convince me for a second that children who were born with horrible deformities or painful conditions are part of God's plan and see that as a good thing. If theres really an omnipotent god, they can lick the asshole they so conveniently located next to my sweaty ass taint and hairy ass balls for allowing that kinda shit. God is either dead, or God could go fuck themselves. The end.

Religion =/= theism. It's obvious you've had traumatic experience with a tyrannical orthodox religion, but your life persuits and the meaning you found along with them can be described as religious phenomena.

None of us have a good reason to continue living. Yet most all of us do. Maybe science can find reason one day, but until then we live within the subjectivity of our own reason and religious experiences.

Sky daddy make earf 😩

That’s interesting, I think that kinda relates to the parallel multiverse theory that everytime we make a decision the universe splits into all the conceivable possibilities.

In my cynical existentialism tho I kinda feel like freewill and decision making is all just an illusion of the brain and that everything in the universe has been decided. Kinda relates to what I was saying about time, if everything ever, past, present and future all happens at the same time in an instant. The future has already happened and our decisions have already been decided.

BradFiAusNzCoCaI’ve always found the concept that “every decision we make, there is another copy of us in another dimension making the opposite” trippy.

DingoSean1. Religion is literally faith in a specific God or set of gods ... If you believe in a specific higher power, then youre religious. If you honestly dont choose, then youre at the very least a theist.

2. Buddhism? Brrrruhh might I remind you of the Rohingya genocide thats been going on for like 4 years where tens of thousands of people have been murdered pillaged and literally gang raped by local Buddhists and the Myanmar military and caused a massive refugee crisis - the largest refugee camp in the world right now - in Bangladesh...
Not to mention extremely aggressive sects around the buddhist world like the Ikkoikki, who while primarily defensive, also constantly raided and killed people in offensive attacks for years until Oda Nobunaga finally subjugated them...

3. Like I already stated, youre a theist. I claim to be more of an agnostic atheist - which is to say, I don't believe in god, but Im open to the idea if considerable proof is given - of which none has been presented to me that's even remotely adequate. The wonders of the universe don't lead me to think or even consider that this was all designed by something bigger. Even things that are not yet explained by physics and science dont prove that theres a god inherently, it just proves that theres limits to what we have learned scientifically and means we have a lot more to learn as a species. Which yeah, could lead to there being a 'god' but it sure doesn't mean that what cant be explained automatically by the merely 300 or so years of post-newtonian science means theres a god. We have a lot more to learn, and Im sure we can agree about that.

On that note.. The whole point of atheism is that the burden of proof is entirely on religious people or 'theists'. Atheists are inherently antireligious (anti-theistic if you will) about their positions... They dont have to prove shit. They are secure in their lives knowing that youre born and you die and maybe or probably nothing happens after that (nihilists feel a little bit stronger with the idea like theres probably nothing and live by that). Religious people (or fine... god believers or somethingists if that makes you feel warm and fuzzy) are compelled to answer entirely unnecessary questions such as 'whats the point of all this' or 'what put me here', and then feel like they must aggressively share the answers they have made up or been told about without any scientific proof. Atheists dont have to prove their position. Its not a religion nor is it organized.

If your presented evidence about there being a god doesnt convince me then I just go back to what I was already doing and nothing profound has changed in my life whatsoever.

I dont find anything cosmically special about humanity whatsoever. If theres a god(s) they sure seem to not give a flying fuck about us, or existence. You cant convince me for a second that children who were born with horrible deformities or painful conditions are part of God's plan and see that as a good thing. If theres really an omnipotent god, they can lick the asshole they so conveniently located next to my sweaty ass taint and hairy ass balls for allowing that kinda shit. God is either dead, or God could go fuck themselves. The end.

Not to offend you but its kind of embarrassing for you to not see the extent to which your post is doing a strawman job on God and trying to reduce all possible conceptions of a God like entity into a convenient little package for you to punt out of bounds like a football.

If there is some sort of entity or quality of the universe that is God-ish in some small way, then He surely doesnt give a fuck about what box you think He should be placed in to suit your nsg argument.

There is already a large branch of physics which is arguably God-ish in its physical laws. The physics of information centers on the understanding that there is an ultimate permanence in the sense that information is never destroyed. Everything you do in life is ultimately recorded by the universe as it affects other things in the universe. Its almost certain that an infinite number of intelligent species have lived before us in our universe and previous universes and there will be an infinite number of intelligent species after us in our universe and subsequent universes. The comfyness lies in the fact that the events of our lives are built on the events of the lives of previous intelligent (or otherwise) species in previous elements of the connected reality. You met the love of your life and had a beautyful loving family with kids and grandkids that you love… all because some alien in a previous universe thought it would be funny to queef in the middle of biology class in their alien high school.

Everything is part of a bigger thing and we all die together.

my belief in the possibility of there being some sort of God like entity does not have to fit into your tiny little box that you are trying to cram it into for your philosophical convenience.

If you dont find it unbelievably absurd for anything to exist then ur not much of an intellectual. Many scientists and physicists dont out of hand exclude the possibility of some sort of next level shit going on in the universe.

its also possible that God could exist but would never be detected or encountered by intelligent life.

Alot of particle physics explanations depend on these things called virtual photons. And virtual photons, by their nature, will never be detected directly. They are FUNDAMENTALLY not capable of being detected and yet in explanations of particle interactions in PHYSICS, these virtual photons are assumed to be real and to exist.

im not vindictive about the days when you used to treat me like shit but for fuck sake dingo the extent to which your mind is closed is kind of embarrassing.

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Idk much about theories or religions but I believe we’re all connected in someway, people build off each other’s energies, and gain power off destroying or depleting others. We can tell when others feel down or isolated, because in some way we are all connected, to nature, to people, to places, to feelings. Energy just doesn’t disappear. This leads me to think their could be some higher power, afterlife, or reincarnation but I don’t think I’ve found that one to believe in

WoFlowzIdk much about theories or religions but I believe we’re all connected in someway, people build off each other’s energies, and gain power off destroying or depleting others. We can tell when others feel down or isolated, because in some way we are all connected, to nature, to people, to places, to feelings. Energy just doesn’t disappear. This leads me to think their could be some higher power, afterlife, or reincarnation but I don’t think I’ve found that one to believe in

Youre spot on man. You are right about energy not disappearing, but at the fundamental level its information that doesnt disappear.

hunterS.dolansonYoure spot on man. You are right about energy not disappearing, but at the fundamental level its information that doesnt disappear.

Why do you say information doesn’t disappear?

I do kinda believe in this theory too while allowing for deviations. I believe it’s a blend, which could potentially, explain the splintering off and creation of other universes. Maybe the separate dimensions are created when we deviate from the prescribed plan. I love trippy shit like this. For example (I know it’s basic) but I loved Tenet and the show Dark. The end of dark was like “wow. Hell yeah”.

mrk127That’s interesting, I think that kinda relates to the parallel multiverse theory that everytime we make a decision the universe splits into all the conceivable possibilities.

In my cynical existentialism tho I kinda feel like freewill and decision making is all just an illusion of the brain and that everything in the universe has been decided. Kinda relates to what I was saying about time, if everything ever, past, present and future all happens at the same time in an instant. The future has already happened and our decisions have already been decided.

I kind of believe this too. Information always has its fingerprint somewhere. Everything is recorded in a way. Whether we realize it or not. Whether that’s blood on pine needles, talking to someone, etc.

mrk127Why do you say information doesn’t disappear?

This also plays into an idea that I’ve always believed in. That our instincts are more powerful than we give them credit for and we should listen to them. Don’t let then control us, and accept that sometimes they make mistakes. But I do think there is another “wavelength” that we don’t quite understand regarding instincts.

WoFlowzIdk much about theories or religions but I believe we’re all connected in someway, people build off each other’s energies, and gain power off destroying or depleting others. We can tell when others feel down or isolated, because in some way we are all connected, to nature, to people, to places, to feelings. Energy just doesn’t disappear. This leads me to think their could be some higher power, afterlife, or reincarnation but I don’t think I’ve found that one to believe in

BiffbarfReligion =/= theism. It's obvious you've had traumatic experience with a tyrannical orthodox religion, but your life persuits and the meaning you found along with them can be described as religious phenomena.

None of us have a good reason to continue living. Yet most all of us do. Maybe science can find reason one day, but until then we live within the subjectivity of our own reason and religious experiences.

Lol, they can be described that from somebody who's religious, and therefore a theist, sure, but they also could be described far more easily as an overall purely coincidental phenomena, and biological science figured it out a long ass time ago.

The reason why living organisms have an instinct to continue living is simply because response to stimuli is present. Within Kingdom Animalia, the physical pain that usually must be endured in order to die is enough of a deterrence for death. There have literally been studies in animals who, when their nervous system has been buggered to not give them a response to hunger or other required means of survival, they are far more likely to just accidentally starve themselves or otherwise because they don't feel a reason to or simply cannot respond anymore.

I wouldn't call such development of stimuli response a religious phenomena, I'd call it a question easily answered by 7th grade biology, if not university biology when you should have learned about molecular receptors.

hunterS.dolansonNot to offend you

Lol you put a whole bunch of words in my mouth but ok.

The big bang is a repeating cycle. Eventually it'll happen again. This will repeat forever. If this kind of consciousness appeared for me once, it will appear again. Everything is a time loop if forever is real.

DingoSeanLol, they can be described that from somebody who's religious, and therefore a theist, sure, but they also could be described far more easily as an overall purely coincidental phenomena, and biological science figured it out a long ass time ago.

The reason why living organisms have an instinct to continue living is simply because response to stimuli is present. Within Kingdom Animalia, the physical pain that usually must be endured in order to die is enough of a deterrence for death. There have literally been studies in animals who, when their nervous system has been buggered to not give them a response to hunger or other required means of survival, they are far more likely to just accidentally starve themselves or otherwise because they don't feel a reason to or simply cannot respond anymore.

I wouldn't call such development of stimuli response a religious phenomena, I'd call it a question easily answered by 7th grade biology, if not university biology when you should have learned about molecular receptors.

Those experiments mean nothing when they're based on animals that are unaware of their own mortality. We are the only animals that make a conscious decision to live. Why? Meaningless chemical processes? If that's the case, why not release ourselves from our own mortal coil and avoid the suffering that is life?

I've thought about this a ton, I've been anti-religion my whole life and really struggled with the idea that some of the most brilliant minds in history subscribe to entirely subjective ideology.

It wasn't until relatively recently I listened to jordan petersons maps of meaning lectures. He makes the case that religion encompasses the unexplainable 'why things are' in life such that humans can focus on other things and not fixate on existential crisis. Nomatter what you subscribe to, humans determine a meaningful relationship with 'why things are' enough to not succumb to death by suicide. Simply put, you can consider 'god' to be a symbolic placeholder for 'meaning' or 'why things are'. I believe in meaning, and I continue to live. This meaning doesn't necessarily have to be a symbolic representation of a creater or diety.

If you're into podcasts and have time, it's really worth a listen. He described things about many religions in ways where I finally understand why such great minds can find religion despite tyranny that may arise from it.

DingoSeanLol you put a whole bunch of words in my mouth but ok.

Fair enough but you were kind of putting words in Gods mouth too.

mrk127Why do you say information doesn’t disappear?

Its an enormous tenant of physics that if you hit a deer going 268 mph in a bugatti veyron, then theoretically if you grabbed all the pieces of the deer you could reconstruct the deer exactly as it was.

Information is like energy in a way. It doesnt just “disappear”.

No matter how big you blow something up or how much you scramble something up, it can always theoretically be unscrambled, or put back together.

the present is always a direct consequence of the past, so if you know everything there is to know about the present, you would be able to reconstruct the past.

just like a murder scene would be easy to solve if there was a surveillance camera watching the whole murder take place.

that survailence video= information about the present. That information can be used to see what happened in the past.


watch this video.

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/1009153/Why-Quantum-Information-is-Never-Destroyed







the permanence of information has a very God-like essence imo. Whether or not God exists, our existence will not be forgotten by the universe.

mrk127What if "God" is just some alien programmer and we are all living in a computer simulation

3maniaThe subjects in the simulation have no ability to comprehend the parameters of the simulation.

I used to watch physics videos where people would simulate solar systems and stuff and play with the strength of gravity, throw in more planets and change the laws of physics.

I like to imagine that we’re a giant physics simulation with randomly set laws of physics and amounts of each element.

At the start of the simulation everything is in one clump and then explodes (big bang) and our physics simulation just happened to produce sentient life.

asparagusI used to watch physics videos where people would simulate solar systems and stuff and play with the strength of gravity, throw in more planets and change the laws of physics.

I like to imagine that we’re a giant physics simulation with randomly set laws of physics and amounts of each element.

At the start of the simulation everything is in one clump and then explodes (big bang) and our physics simulation just happened to produce sentient life.

The simulation theory doesnt really seem reasonable to me in an occams sense. I wouldnt rule it out but it doesnt seem very reasonable.

BiffbarfThose experiments mean nothing when they're based on animals that are unaware of their own mortality. We are the only animals that make a conscious decision to live. Why? Meaningless chemical processes? If that's the case, why not release ourselves from our own mortal coil and avoid the suffering that is life?

I've thought about this a ton, I've been anti-religion my whole life and really struggled with the idea that some of the most brilliant minds in history subscribe to entirely subjective ideology.

It wasn't until relatively recently I listened to jordan petersons maps of meaning lectures. He makes the case that religion encompasses the unexplainable 'why things are' in life such that humans can focus on other things and not fixate on existential crisis. Nomatter what you subscribe to, humans determine a meaningful relationship with 'why things are' enough to not succumb to death by suicide. Simply put, you can consider 'god' to be a symbolic placeholder for 'meaning' or 'why things are'. I believe in meaning, and I continue to live. This meaning doesn't necessarily have to be a symbolic representation of a creater or diety.

If you're into podcasts and have time, it's really worth a listen. He described things about many religions in ways where I finally understand why such great minds can find religion despite tyranny that may arise from it.

hunterS.dolansonIts an enormous tenant of physics that if you hit a deer going 268 mph in a bugatti veyron, then theoretically if you grabbed all the pieces of the deer you could reconstruct the deer exactly as it was.

Information is like energy in a way. It doesnt just “disappear”.

No matter how big you blow something up or how much you scramble something up, it can always theoretically be unscrambled, or put back together.

the present is always a direct consequence of the past, so if you know everything there is to know about the present, you would be able to reconstruct the past.

just like a murder scene would be easy to solve if there was a surveillance camera watching the whole murder take place.

that survailence video= information about the present. That information can be used to see what happened in the past.


watch this video.

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/1009153/Why-Quantum-Information-is-Never-Destroyed







the permanence of information has a very God-like essence imo. Whether or not God exists, our existence will not be forgotten by the universe.

Quality video Dolan, going to have to do some more research on the topic of information preservarion. again relates back to to the shit I was saying one directional linear time being fake and the universe already being "decided"

mrk127Quality video Dolan, going to have to do some more research on the topic of information preservarion. again relates back to to the shit I was saying one directional linear time being fake and the universe already being "decided"

I personally believe that there must be some pure randomness in the fundamental workings of the universe. I don't really know the details, but this is sort of the core idea of quantum physics; that the universe is not deterministic, even if you knew every single bit of information about the universe you could not perfectly predict its future state. Also, to ad onto that, I think that the universe is infinite so there is no way to know "all" the information in it so even if there are no random interactions it would still be impossible for it to be deterministic since it is not a closed system.

I think that if time is a dimension that can be traversed like any other it would necessitate that the multiverse theory be true and that any movement through time (including forward as we regularly do) infinitely shatters the universe into different possibilities.

abar.

Have you listened to any of his maps of meaning lectures? They're really fascinating. Don't confuse them for self help or political dogma he's been infamous for.

BiffbarfThose experiments mean nothing when they're based on animals that are unaware of their own mortality. We are the only animals that make a conscious decision to live. Why? Meaningless chemical processes? If that's the case, why not release ourselves from our own mortal coil and avoid the suffering that is life?

I've thought about this a ton, I've been anti-religion my whole life and really struggled with the idea that some of the most brilliant minds in history subscribe to entirely subjective ideology.

It wasn't until relatively recently I listened to jordan petersons maps of meaning lectures. He makes the case that religion encompasses the unexplainable 'why things are' in life such that humans can focus on other things and not fixate on existential crisis. Nomatter what you subscribe to, humans determine a meaningful relationship with 'why things are' enough to not succumb to death by suicide. Simply put, you can consider 'god' to be a symbolic placeholder for 'meaning' or 'why things are'. I believe in meaning, and I continue to live. This meaning doesn't necessarily have to be a symbolic representation of a creater or diety.

If you're into podcasts and have time, it's really worth a listen. He described things about many religions in ways where I finally understand why such great minds can find religion despite tyranny that may arise from it.

Theres plenty of evidence to suggest that other animals besides humans are aware of their own existence if not mortality... and even still, we don't necessarily make a conscious decision to live. We innately make the same decisions in order to live as other members of animalia. Why do you think its so hard to jump off a bridge or cliff to your death? same reason why heights are scary - its a defense mechanism developed over eons of evolution, and many land-dwelling vertebrates - including most who have the ability to die if they fall off a cliff - have that trait. That shit isnt unique.

And you know what? plenty of people DO off themselves... And religion doesn't save nor prevent it... hell, in some cases people put them in a position to be killed directly in the name of religion. Familial altruism is actually one of the strongest forms of allowing ourselves to release from this mortal coil that I can think of off the top of my head, and it also exists in many other areas of animalia.. Humans often do it for the sake of their family or tribe, or in modern contexts, those being nationalism or religion (hence shit like kamikaze pilots and religious suicide bombers), and this is a form of calculated altruism thats often seen in other apes as well as dolphins, whales, walruses, bovines, equines, and certainly in canines.

Hell, even within our own bodies, there are groups of cells that basically sacrifice themselves for a good reason, or 'the greater good' if you will... so of course at a macro level we are going to feel the same instincts to off ourselves if its for a more important cause - and that doesnt mean its for an actual god when we do it (though we can trick ourselves into thinking saving our family is for a god or a national identity or otherwise in order to calculate and commit to such an altruistic direction)



As for Jordan Peterson... yeesh do you actually believe his bullshit dude? Ah man, Im sorry that sucks... but I suppose it is the 'WILD' theories thread...

**This post was edited on Aug 25th 2021 at 4:59:10am

DingoSeanTheres plenty of evidence to suggest that other animals besides humans are aware of their own existence if not mortality... and even still, we don't necessarily make a conscious decision to live. We innately make the same decisions in order to live as other members of animalia. Why do you think its so hard to jump off a bridge or cliff to your death? same reason why heights are scary - its a defense mechanism developed over eons of evolution, and many land-dwelling vertebrates - including most who have the ability to die if they fall off a cliff - have that trait. That shit isnt unique.

And you know what? plenty of people DO off themselves... And religion doesn't save nor prevent it... hell, in some cases people put them in a position to be killed directly in the name of religion. Familial altruism is actually one of the strongest forms of allowing ourselves to release from this mortal coil that I can think of off the top of my head, and it also exists in many other areas of animalia.. Humans often do it for the sake of their family or tribe, or in modern contexts, those being nationalism or religion (hence shit like kamikaze pilots and religious suicide bombers), and this is a form of calculated altruism thats often seen in other apes as well as dolphins, whales, walruses, bovines, equines, and certainly in canines.

Hell, even within our own bodies, there are groups of cells that basically sacrifice themselves for a good reason, or 'the greater good' if you will... so of course at a macro level we are going to feel the same instincts to off ourselves if its for a more important cause - and that doesnt mean its for an actual god when we do it (though we can trick ourselves into thinking saving our family is for a god or a national identity or otherwise in order to calculate and commit to such an altruistic direction)


As for Jordan Peterson... yeesh do you actually believe his bullshit dude? Ah man, Im sorry that sucks... but I suppose it is the 'WILD' theories thread...

**This post was edited on Aug 25th 2021 at 4:59:10am

I'd be curious as what within his harvard maps of meaning lectures you find to be bullshit. I'd be all ears, seriously.

BiffbarfI'd be curious as what within his harvard maps of meaning lectures you find to be bullshit. I'd be all ears, seriously.

Peterson’s ideas are basically just a massive mix of Christian mythology that nobody asked for, 12th grade philosophy that sounds great to people who never took even a college level critical thinking course, and completely toxic individualistic politics all delivered like a high-brow 'self help' book type of un-original psychology,

The dude obviously read too much Ayn Rand and is trying to recast his own narcissism and judeo-christian superiority complex as some sort of new conservative intellectualism and he's using it to profit off right wing dorks who desperately need someone to support their cognitive dissonance.

DingoSeanPeterson’s ideas are basically just a massive mix of Christian mythology that nobody asked for, 12th grade philosophy that sounds great to people who never took even a college level critical thinking course, and completely toxic individualistic politics all delivered like a high-brow 'self help' book type of un-original psychology,

The dude obviously read too much Ayn Rand and is trying to recast his own narcissism and judeo-christian superiority complex as some sort of new conservative intellectualism and he's using it to profit off right wing dorks who desperately need someone to support their cognitive dissonance.

So you haven't listened to the maps of meaning lectures, got it.

BiffbarfSo you haven't listened to the maps of meaning lectures, got it.

Nope. But unless he decided to be a totally different person all of a sudden, I cant see it being that much different than his other anti-intellectualist drivel.

DingoSeanNope. But unless he decided to be a totally different person all of a sudden, I cant see it being that much different than his other anti-intellectualist drivel.

See response to abar. above