Anybody else think its not nice to withhold the cause of death of a person?

I kind of agree. I mean the family can do whatever but in 2021 i feel like it's not that big a deal to say someone overdosed or killed themself. Both are serious problems and it feels kind of weird when everyone "died suddenly" or whatever.

I don't think the family necessarily owes anybody any kind of explanation but I think knowing about some of these deaths are good. Not in terms of gossip but instead to show the crisis we're facing of both.

I've only had one friend that killed himself but have had several OD.

I don't judge them. I get that there are still people that will because they're shitty and want to feel superior but that's going to happen anyway.

Also we need to do something about the bullshit drug war. People are ODing because the supply is so fucking inconsistent sometimes and the fentanyl etc. Also we invest so little into treatment and also mental health programs.

The same when people kill themselves people yell at them and say "they shouldn't have done that! That's so shitty of them' "It's a permanent solution to a temporary problem" or whatever.

These people pretend to care so much but when we don't fun programs for mental health they don't seem to care.

Idk. It's just my opinion but I think it would be better to know at least in both those cases. Just because somebody od's or kills themself doesn't make them a bad person. It doesn't negate who they were, your friendship, love, whatever.

I just feel like honesty on these topics does more toward showing the problem and maybe helping curb it and does minimal in terms of hurting their character.

It’s literally not your business how someone dies and if it is your business, you’ll know about it. No family members owes an explanation. To make something public or not is their choice whatever their reasoning may be.

hunterS.dolansonI would understand why a family whos loved one had an accident autoerotic asphyxiation death to not want to say how they died

Since the only way to understand something horrific is to have gone through it yourself, I want to extend my condolences. It really is sad that you disappointed your father so much that he turned to autoerotic asphyxiation to find some thrill and meaning, and that it lead to his untimely demise. This must be an awful burden to have to shoulder each and every day. Are you attending a support group?

I agree that no one has the obligation to explain to the public how a family member died, but if you post that someone died on a public profile with a lot of followers you're obviously gonna have a lot of people commenting "How did they die?", and I think that's a pretty understandable response for someone who didn't really know the person, as it's the only way they can relate to the situation. People probably don't write cause of death in an RIP post because it distracts from what it's supposed to be about, if someone really didn't want people to know the cause of death they wouldn't post about it on a public profile, cuz it's gonna come out in the comments

none of your business.

theabortionatorI kind of agree. I mean the family can do whatever but in 2021 i feel like it's not that big a deal to say someone overdosed or killed themself. Both are serious problems and it feels kind of weird when everyone "died suddenly" or whatever.

I don't think the family necessarily owes anybody any kind of explanation but I think knowing about some of these deaths are good. Not in terms of gossip but instead to show the crisis we're facing of both.

I've only had one friend that killed himself but have had several OD.

I don't judge them. I get that there are still people that will because they're shitty and want to feel superior but that's going to happen anyway.

Also we need to do something about the bullshit drug war. People are ODing because the supply is so fucking inconsistent sometimes and the fentanyl etc. Also we invest so little into treatment and also mental health programs.

The same when people kill themselves people yell at them and say "they shouldn't have done that! That's so shitty of them' "It's a permanent solution to a temporary problem" or whatever.

These people pretend to care so much but when we don't fun programs for mental health they don't seem to care.

Idk. It's just my opinion but I think it would be better to know at least in both those cases. Just because somebody od's or kills themself doesn't make them a bad person. It doesn't negate who they were, your friendship, love, whatever.

I just feel like honesty on these topics does more toward showing the problem and maybe helping curb it and does minimal in terms of hurting their character.

Yeah. I feel like most ppl want to know the cause of death because they care about the person who died and want to think about them and think about whatever challenges they were facing.

And yeah if we really wanted to save addicts in america we would do what they have been doing in europe for decades and have H.A.T. clinics.

Heroin Assisted Treatment (H.A.T.) was established in switzerland in 96 to combat the huge heroin epidemic.

Implementing this almost immediately drove opiate overdose deaths towards zero, and it was so successful at improving the lives/lifestyles of opiate addicts that today it is part of the health systems of germany denmark holland england and slow release morphine is given to addicts in austria bulgaria and slovenia.

The only full agonist maintenance we have in the states is methadone which ive been on for about 5 yrs. methadone is great, but for some people it isnt enough. And if you really want to lower the risk for those people you need to do like switzerland does. More choices=more lives saved.

MinggIt’s literally not your business how someone dies and if it is your business, you’ll know about it. No family members owes an explanation. To make something public or not is their choice whatever their reasoning may be.

The subject of this thread is actually not your business so kindly fuck off.

iFlipSince the only way to understand something horrific is to have gone through it yourself, I want to extend my condolences. It really is sad that you disappointed your father so much that he turned to autoerotic asphyxiation to find some thrill and meaning, and that it lead to his untimely demise. This must be an awful burden to have to shoulder each and every day. Are you attending a support group?

MinggIt’s literally not your business how someone dies and if it is your business, you’ll know about it. No family members owes an explanation. To make something public or not is their choice whatever their reasoning may be.

snowfindernone of your business.

If someone wants you to know that their loved one died, THEN THEY ARE ASKING YOU FOR SOMETHING. Whether its thoughts, prayers, or consideration, THEY ARE ASKING YOU FOR SOMETHING. There is a word for someone who asks for a favor and then when a favor in return is asked they refuse; its called ASSHOLE.

if somebody asks me to think about something and i ask them why they want me to think about it and they say its none of my business, then theyre assholes; if you think a one way system of favors is fair or reasonable youre a fucking retard.

Why do you care so much.

hunterS.dolansonIf someone wants you to know that their loved one died, THEN THEY ARE ASKING YOU FOR SOMETHING. Whether its thoughts, prayers, or consideration, THEY ARE ASKING YOU FOR SOMETHING. There is a word for someone who asks for a favor and then when a favor in return is asked they refuse; its called ASSHOLE.

if somebody asks me to think about something and i ask them why they want me to think about it and they say its none of my business, then theyre assholes; if you think a one way system of favors is fair or reasonable youre a fucking retard.

this feels like bait

this is the type of thread that i look at, sort of feeling compelled to say something, then sigh with an implicit understanding that there is no point in trying to contribute

It's tough because as a bystander, the first thing you want to know upon hearing of someone's untimely death is how it happened. And it is annoying as hell when its this sort of mystery that nags at you and goes unanswered.

From the family's perspective though, I think its often easier in the midst of extreme grief to not blast horribly personal details out there.

I dunno, its fucked all around.

I recently hand a good friend/former girlfriend pass. I don't know how, I am curious and have some ideas of how she might have died. However at the same time I feel like asking would be incredibly crass.

I would never be curious about someones cause of death so i coupd sneer or be judgemental of them. The only reason i would ever want to know a persons cause of death is because i wanted to think about them and their life/persona, and knowing the cause of death will often tell alot about a persons life. I dont have a negative opinion of opiate addicts (obv i shouldnt, i fukn am one); although some opiate addicts become theiving snitching pieces of shit, i know many addicts who are honorable stand-up people who dont have a habit of fucking ppl over.

I think a large amount of the cases where the family doesnt reveal the cause of death, its because it was an overdose. But like i said, i dont think ppl should be judged just because the purity of the dope they were shooting was all over the place. Its very easy to overdose these days when one day you buy dope thats 10% heroin, and the next day you buy dope its 100-% fentanyl.

fluctuating purity is like a pitcher throwing all sorts of curveballs at you trying to strike you out.

if the purity of the dope remained constant, then you would know what you are getting, and you would know how much you can safely take (bc you didnt die yesterday). If we decriminalized drugs the purities would get more consistent and you would see less overdoses.

i get it that theres some very rare circumstances where it is reasonable to not reveal the cause of death (like if you pull an elvis prestley and die of constipation). But for overdoses and suicides i think families should be more open about telling ppl the cause of death.

dolanslebensraumI honestly cant stand it. If somebody tells me this person or that person overdosed, im not going to be like “oh well who cares he were just a junkie”.

I would understand why a family whos loved one had an accident autoerotic asphyxiation death to not want to say how they died, but i personally dont think less of a person because they were an opiate addict. Some of the warmest nicest ppl i have known have overdosed.

I get what your saying but at the same time, yes you might not be judgemental but at the same time someone else might be.

404UserNotFoundI get what your saying but at the same time, yes you might not be judgemental but at the same time someone else might be.

Thats true. But i dont think ppl who would judge or sneer at an overdose death are the type of ppl who matter.

like if you are so stupid you think that somebody is a piece of shit just for being addicted to something, then nobody should be forced to pay attention to you.