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KA-47
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Here we go again,

The CDC and the government let us have our fun for the summer, now we have to muzzle ourselves and the children again. The media talks about cases but rarely touches upon deaths. I thought that from the beginning of the vaccination campaign that people understood that the vaccine would lessen the symptoms of Covid but not necessarily deter it. Why are people getting all freaked out about cases!? We should be focusing on death rate and treating the cases.

Yes, more people need to get vaccinated.

I do not think the government has the right to mandate it, but if they do, so be it. People will not be happy with it.

We should NOT be masking children as their case rate, transmission rate, and mortality rate are next to nothing. At this point it is just political theatre to mask them. And I do not see how the CDC made the decision to lift the mask mandate in May, but now it is crucial.

It is all a mess and I feel bad for our kids that have to keep living through this. The blame is not on Trump voters, there are plenty of people in blue areas not getting vaccinated.

I do not know the solution, but it all feels very wrong.
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Film.
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AndrewGravesSVLets remind ourselves the goal here: get rid of the virus so fewer people die. We do that through vaccines and eventual herd immunity like we have done to diseases in the past. Idk how that's controversial

We have to ask ourself if this goal is feasible without complete totalitarian government control. If it is, it's not controversial. If it isn't it's very controversial.
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Andi_G
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T.L.I don't think I've ever complained about covid itself.

What I'll complain about is how the governments of the world are using it as a way to deliver us into a dystopian/totalitarian nightmare that's there's no peaceful return from.

"Papiere, bitte"


calm down captain america its a vaccine to get rid of a disease that has killed over 4 million people worldwide

if you're worried about that then why not be up in arms about how wages haven't increased with productivity or inflation while rent has kept increasing alongside how its becoming more and more illegal to be homeless. Combine that with a better funded police with increased presence lacking accountability and we're getting to dystopian levels. What would make it truly dystopian would be if the environment started showing signs of fucked beyond repair...

governments want people to get it because they need able bodied workers for labor so this whole thing doesn't shut down. its not profitable to have your labor supply incapacitated or dying off. Dystopian hell looks a lot more like having to piss in water bottles at an amazon warehouse or having to keep working next to a dead guy in a lays factory with your other option being starvation or prison rather than a free shot to protect you and the people around you from a disease.

if refusing a free vaccine that all the people in power have already gotten is your way to fight back, thats cool i guess. You're just doing it at the expense of everyone around you.
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Biffbarf
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AndrewGravesSVcalm down captain america its a vaccine to get rid of a disease that has killed over 4 million people worldwide

if you're worried about that then why not be up in arms about how wages haven't increased with productivity or inflation while rent has kept increasing alongside how its becoming more and more illegal to be homeless. Combine that with a better funded police with increased presence lacking accountability and we're getting to dystopian levels. What would make it truly dystopian would be if the environment started showing signs of fucked beyond repair...

governments want people to get it because they need able bodied workers for labor so this whole thing doesn't shut down. its not profitable to have your labor supply incapacitated or dying off. Dystopian hell looks a lot more like having to piss in water bottles at an amazon warehouse or having to keep working next to a dead guy in a lays factory with your other option being starvation or prison rather than a free shot to protect you and the people around you from a disease.

if refusing a free vaccine that all the people in power have already gotten is your way to fight back, thats cool i guess. You're just doing it at the expense of everyone around you.


You do understand that government regulation in the last couple years lead to the greatest transfer of wealth to the hyper rich in American history right?

You don't get to argue about the economy after you use the arguement 'aLl yOu cArE AbOuT iS tHe EcOnOmY PeOpLe ArE DiEiNg' for 2 years. We will see unprecedented inflation in our time and it is 100% due to government entities conning the working class into voting for their dollar to inflate.
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Andi_G
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Film.We have to ask ourself if this goal is feasible without complete totalitarian government control. If it is, it's not controversial. If it isn't it's very controversial.


Unfortunately, much of the damage has already been done thanks to the spread of misinformation and erosion of trust in our medical institutions. The data is there to back up the vaccines effectiveness and most anti mask and vaccine figureheads are reversing their positions. Those figureheads are getting called traitors cause the seeds of distrust have already taken root and people are stubborn. The only things left to convince people to get it are fda approval and more people dying to underline the seriousness. The government might issue a vaccination card or passport or something and leave it up to private businesses to require it or not like some mask ordinances were. You've got to show ID to get into a bar and thats not totalitarian control

I'd love to see patent law on the vaccine get waived so other countries can start producing it to lower the time covid has to mutate. That won't happy because Biden is trash tho
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Andi_G
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BiffbarfYou do understand that government regulation in the last couple years lead to the greatest transfer of wealth to the hyper rich in American history right?

You don't get to argue about the economy after you use the arguement 'aLl yOu cArE AbOuT iS tHe EcOnOmY PeOpLe ArE DiEiNg' for 2 years. We will see unprecedented inflation in our time and it is 100% due to government entities conning the working class into voting for their dollar to inflate.


you're misunderstanding me here. I'm saying the government wants/needs people to work. The more people that get vaxxed are more people who are secured as labor for the future. This is also the same reason as the government not initially shutting down because it revolves around more people working rather than not. More workers = more labor = more gdp.

Was it government regulation that contributed to the wealth divide or tax cuts by a con man billionaire?
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r00kie
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AndrewGravesSVWas it government regulation that contributed to the wealth divide or tax cuts by a con man billionaire?


It was shutting down small businesses and giving trillions in stimulus to large corporations.
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T.L.
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eheathLive look into T.L.'s afternoon



Good one. Tell me where I'm wrong. Be specific.
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T.L.
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AndrewGravesSVcalm down captain america its a vaccine to get rid of a disease that has killed over 4 million people worldwide

if you're worried about that then why not be up in arms about how wages haven't increased with productivity or inflation while rent has kept increasing alongside how its becoming more and more illegal to be homeless. Combine that with a better funded police with increased presence lacking accountability and we're getting to dystopian levels. What would make it truly dystopian would be if the environment started showing signs of fucked beyond repair...

governments want people to get it because they need able bodied workers for labor so this whole thing doesn't shut down. its not profitable to have your labor supply incapacitated or dying off. Dystopian hell looks a lot more like having to piss in water bottles at an amazon warehouse or having to keep working next to a dead guy in a lays factory with your other option being starvation or prison rather than a free shot to protect you and the people around you from a disease.

if refusing a free vaccine that all the people in power have already gotten is your way to fight back, thats cool i guess. You're just doing it at the expense of everyone around you.


This is a thread about masks and covid.. what are you even talking about? You don't have a clue what my stance is on the rest of what you mentioned in this prolonged emotional outburst.
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.MASSHOLE.
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AndrewGravesSVI'd love to see patent law on the vaccine get waived so other countries can start producing it to lower the time covid has to mutate. That won't happy because Biden is trash tho

Uh, blame foreign governments (EU, Japan, the United Kingdom, Switzerland, Brazil, and Australia) as the US has already temporarily waived patent rights.
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Andi_G
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r00kieIt was shutting down small businesses and giving trillions in stimulus to large corporations.

Yeah it slashed corporate taxes which funneled money to the 1%. That stimulus didn't do shit and trickle down doesn't work.

T.L.This is a thread about masks and covid.. what are you even talking about? You don't have a clue what my stance is on the rest of what you mentioned in this prolonged emotional outburst.

Sorry I thought we were talking about our dystopian future/present in which masks and a vaccine represent the first step in a slippery slope.
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Andi_G
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.MASSHOLE.Uh, blame foreign governments (EU, Japan, the United Kingdom, Switzerland, Brazil, and Australia) as the US has already temporarily waived patent rights.


oh shit yeah you're right that's my mistake good catch
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r00kie
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AndrewGravesSVYeah it slashed corporate taxes which funneled money to the 1%. That stimulus didn't do shit and trickle down doesn't work.

I have no idea whether you are agreeing or disagreeing. Anyhoo, back to you making a fool of yourself on the topic at hand of vaccinations.
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Andi_G
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r00kieI have no idea whether you are agreeing or disagreeing. Anyhoo, back to you making a fool of yourself on the topic at hand of vaccinations.


I thought it was shitty policy and evidence of American politics being beholden to giant corporations.

On the vaccine topic its really just more vaccinated people means less dead people. The faster we do this, the less time the virus has to mutate and make the current vaccine obsolete. Unfortunately, this requires most people to get vaccinated and a lot of people have succumbed to misinformation, are stubborn as hell, or lean too hard into partisan bullshit when public health became politicized. It sucks to see a free vaccine, that we all paid for through taxes, go to waste because muh freedoms
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eheath
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T.L.Good one. Tell me where I'm wrong. Be specific.


You think vaccines are being distributed and mask mandates are being made to control people, I don't really need to say anything else.
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Charlie_Kelly
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AndrewGravesSVgovernments want people to get it because they need able bodied workers for labor so this whole thing doesn't shut down. its not profitable to have your labor supply incapacitated or dying off. Dystopian hell looks a lot more like having to piss in water bottles at an amazon warehouse or having to keep working next to a dead guy in a lays factory with your other option being starvation or prison rather than a free shot to protect you and the people around you from a disease.

Ah so that’s why they’ve increased unemployment benefits, because they want…people to….get back to…wait a second….

If, our government specifically, wanted to increase the labor pool they would have ended the extended unemployment benefits a long time ago. Because guess what? The people cashing in on that extra $300 a week? Most of them are probably vaccinated. Yet they still won’t go back into the job market until the tap is turned off. Absolute slap in the face to every American that has worked throughout this entire crisis.




So long story short thinking that getting people vaccinated will help the economy and keep this “whole thing from shutting down” is a crock of shit.
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Charlie_KellyAh so that’s why they’ve increased unemployment benefits, because they want…people to….get back to…wait a second….

If, our government specifically, wanted to increase the labor pool they would have ended the extended unemployment benefits a long time ago.


One could just as easily argue that the fact that staying unemployed because it provides higher income than working means wage rates are too low.

Unsurprisingly, there's a lot of evidence out there that supports this as well.

For instance:

The lack of transparency on pay has long been a scourge of job seekers, and recent data suggest that the tight labor market may be starting to force companies’ hands.

Around 12% of listings across all occupations offered salary information in the second quarter, up from 8% in the same period in 2019, according to analytics firm Emsi Burning Glass.

The biggest gains were in hard-to-find positions such as restaurant hosts and nurse practitioners, for which almost one in five ads now disclose pay, according to Burning Glass, which analyzes millions of offers for trends.

And:

U.S. states putting an early end to federal unemployment benefits saw a larger jump in local labor supply in June than those planning to maintain the $300 weekly supplement until early September, new data show, though there was no clear sign it had led to significantly more hiring.

While that may indicate the withdrawal of benefits is having some of the impact intended by the governors who cut off the stipend, and causing more people to seek employment, the numbers are small in a national labor force of 161 million and come with a cautionary note: Job gains in both groups of states were roughly the same.

Furthermore:

The balance of power in the labor market is unusually slanted in favor of workers, who are asking for raises, who are getting poached by competitors, who are switching careers, and in many cases who are just leaving the labor force altogether.

And the data agrees that increased vaccination rates mean increased labor force participation (overall):

The U.S. economy created the most jobs in seven months in March as more Americans got vaccinated and the government doled out additional pandemic relief money, marking the start of what could be the strongest economic performance this year in nearly four decades.

**This post was edited on Aug 3rd 2021 at 7:58:52pm
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T.L.
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eheathYou think vaccines are being distributed and mask mandates are being made to control people, I don't really need to say anything else.


Never once did I say vaccine distribution is being used to control people. Want the vaccine, take the fuckin vaccine. That's been my stance since day one. My issue has always been compulsory mandates.

Mandates by their very nature are controlling. Entities using their ever expanding authority to make certain actions and behavior compulsory. They're literally wielding their control over you that result in the outcomes they desire.
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eheath
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T.L.Never once did I say vaccine distribution is being used to control people. Want the vaccine, take the fuckin vaccine. That's been my stance since day one. My issue has always been compulsory mandates.

Mandates by their very nature are controlling. Entities using their ever expanding authority to make certain actions and behavior compulsory. They're literally wielding their control over you that result in the outcomes they desire.


Oh please, spare me your bullshit.
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T.L.
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eheathOh please, spare me your bullshit.


A compelling counterpoint.
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Andi_G
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T.L.Never once did I say vaccine distribution is being used to control people. Want the vaccine, take the fuckin vaccine. That's been my stance since day one. My issue has always been compulsory mandates.

Mandates by their very nature are controlling. Entities using their ever expanding authority to make certain actions and behavior compulsory. They're literally wielding their control over you that result in the outcomes they desire.


Let's remember that the desired outcome is less people dying.
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eheath
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T.L.A compelling counterpoint.


You don't have to go to a restaurant, it's not a personal right it's a privilege. If a municipality wants mandate vaccines for non-essential businesses, then don't go.

If you don't want to get vax'd that's fine, but prepare to be alienated and treated differently by most people. Your paranoia over a completely safe and helpful vaccine is not my problem, it's yours so you will have to accept the consequences. People who are vaccinated shouldn't be punished because of a bunch of braindead people won't get vax'd.
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r00kie
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eheathprepare to be alienated and treated differently by most people.

And that right there is a problem. If a business chooses to go vax only thats their choice but for a governing body to create that rule is in fact controling people and should not be accepting as it goes against the very american principles of individual liberties.
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r00kieAnd that right there is a problem. If a business chooses to go vax only thats their choice but for a governing body to create that rule is in fact controling people and should not be accepting as it goes against the very american principles of individual liberties.


There aren't any rules in place created by governing bodies that require people to get vaccinated, and there probably won't be. Every rule gives the person the choice to get it or not.

Also, in 1905, the Supreme Court ruled that governments have the right to impose vaccine mandates (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobson_v._Massachusetts)
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r00kie
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deathcookieThere aren't any rules in place created by governing bodies that require people to get vaccinated, and there probably won't be. Every rule gives the person the choice to get it or not.

Also, in 1905, the Supreme Court ruled that governments have the right to impose vaccine mandates (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobson_v._Massachusetts)


There have been examples of local governments taking away citizens ability to participate in society in this thread. And just cause the Supreme Court ruled 100 years ago it was legal doesn't make it right.
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eheath
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r00kieAnd that right there is a problem. If a business chooses to go vax only thats their choice but for a governing body to create that rule is in fact controling people and should not be accepting as it goes against the very american principles of individual liberties.


Again, going to a restaurant isn't a right, it's a privilege and if you don't meet the requirements for a privilege that's only your problem. There are plenty of "rules" people don't agree with, some people want to smoke in bars still but it's known to be unhealthy to others.

One can be stubborn about getting a vaccine that saves lives and protects our country's citizen, but one doesn't deserve some sort of empathy because they don't want to get a safe, effective vaccine against a spreading virus that has killed 4 million people. People who don't get vaccinated are selfish.

**This post was edited on Aug 4th 2021 at 1:08:09pm
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r00kie
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eheathAgain, going to a restaurant isn't a right, it's a privilege and if you don't meet the requirements for a privilege that's only your problem. There are plenty of "rules" people don't agree with, some people want to smoke in bars still but it's known to be unhealthy to others.

One can be stubborn about getting a vaccine that saves lives and protects our country's citizen, but one doesn't deserve some sort of empathy because they don't want to get a safe, effective vaccine against a spreading virus that has killed 4 million people. People who don't get vaccinated are selfish.

**This post was edited on Aug 4th 2021 at 1:08:09pm

And people who want to restrict others ability to participate in society for their percieved safety are selfish. Live and let live.
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eheath
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r00kieAnd people who want to restrict others ability to participate in society for their percieved safety are selfish. Live and let live.


How is benefiting the greater good selfish?
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r00kie
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eheathHow is benefiting the greater good selfish?


How is forcing what you want onto other people not selfish?
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eheath
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r00kieHow is forcing what you want onto other people not selfish?


You're completely ignoring the facts dude, getting vaccinated saves lives and prevents the spread/mutation of the virus. It isn't what people "want" its literally what science says we need.
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Andi_G
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r00kieLive and let live.

It's literally the opposite of that lol

A portion of people with health issues can't get vaccinated and can't re enter society for fear of death through no fault of their own. This feels like arguing with children to eat their vegetables except instead of just benefitting them, it also benefits everyone around them. "wah wah wah you can't tell me what to do" Grow up and think outside yourself
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Film.
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eheathYou're completely ignoring the facts dude, getting vaccinated saves lives and prevents the spread/mutation of the virus. It isn't what people "want" its literally what science says we need.

Science says we will live with covid for the rest of time, government overloads and totalitarians say this idea of zero covid is achievable. Sure it's achievable but it's not a world any of us want to live in. Israel is going back on lockdown again and they have one of the highest populations vaccinated per eligible population. Sydney, Aus has the military patrolling the street enforcing their 5th+ lockdown in the past year. It's a good thing they gave up all their guns. But they are in pursuit of a zero covid country, which is outright impossible and will be for the rest of time. No matter how many booster shots, no matter how many therapeutics people will continue to die with covid for the rest of our lives, it will get worse in the late summer/ early fall for states in the sunbelt then subside, and get bad in everything above the sun belt during the late fall and early winter. This seasonal cycle will go on forever, no matter what we do.

This is what I said earlier this never stops even if 99% of the eligible population of the US is vaccinated. Go on with life, if you wanna wear a mask wear a mask. If you wanna get vaccinated get vaccinated, but this idea that the FDA and CDC are gonna protect your health, and protect you from getting or dying from covid is insane. Let private businesses enforce whatever they want, I'm fully vaccinated I got my 2nd dose a few weeks ago and my bosses who are both older didn't force it on me but just said they'd appreciate if I did it. I don't carry my vaccine card anywhere, and a restaurant sitting outside looking at cards I won't go to. Let people live don't let the government have too much power over our lives. They already have so much
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r00kie
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AndrewGravesSVIt's literally the opposite of that lol

A portion of people with health issues can't get vaccinated and can't re enter society for fear of death through no fault of their own. This feels like arguing with children to eat their vegetables except instead of just benefitting them, it also benefits everyone around them. "wah wah wah you can't tell me what to do" Grow up and think outside yourself


"Just do what I say!"
"Think outside yourself!"

Ironic.
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Film.
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AndrewGravesSVIt's literally the opposite of that lol

A portion of people with health issues can't get vaccinated and can't re enter society for fear of death through no fault of their own.

Damn that really sucks for them, let's make the rest of the US population miserable and hold them hostage for the .1% of the US population who can't get the vaccine because of immunodeficiency problems. Really good cost benefit analysis there.
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T.L.
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eheathYou don't have to go to a restaurant, it's not a personal right it's a privilege. If a municipality wants mandate vaccines for non-essential businesses, then don't go.

If you don't want to get vax'd that's fine, but prepare to be alienated and treated differently by most people. Your paranoia over a completely safe and helpful vaccine is not my problem, it's yours so you will have to accept the consequences. People who are vaccinated shouldn't be punished because of a bunch of braindead people won't get vax'd.


You're losin it bro.

I never demanded entry into restaurants.. you're literally making that up.

How are people who are being vaccinated being punished?

When did I say that I'm not willing to deal with the "consequences" of spending my money where someone wants it?
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eheath
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T.L.You're losin it bro.

I never demanded entry into restaurants.. you're literally making that up.

How are people who are being vaccinated being punished?

When did I say that I'm not willing to deal with the "consequences" of spending my money where someone wants it?


maybe you can enlighten me on what you were trying to say here then, because if its not about vaccines then what is it bro?
T.L.I don't think I've ever complained about covid itself.

What I'll complain about is how the governments of the world are using it as a way to deliver us into a dystopian/totalitarian nightmare that's there's no peaceful return from.

"Papiere, bitte"
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abar.
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r00kieLive and let live.


You mean "live and let other people die because me and my unvaccinated buddies passed the delta variant back and forth until it mutated enough that vaccines don't work anymore?"
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Biffbarf
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abar.You mean "live and let other people die because me and my unvaccinated buddies passed the delta variant back and forth until it mutated enough that vaccines don't work anymore?"


Can't you still get and spread the delta varient when you're vaccinated? Vaccines aren't doing much for case numbers my man.
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Andi_G
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Film.Damn that really sucks for them, let's make the rest of the US population miserable and hold them hostage for the .1% of the US population who can't get the vaccine because of immunodeficiency problems. Really good cost benefit analysis there.


The cost: one free and safe vaccine that lessens your chance of death/hospitalization

The benefit: 10 million Americans get to rejoin public society and we get closer to eradicating a virus that's killed 4 million people
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Film.
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AndrewGravesSVThe cost: one free and safe vaccine that lessens your chance of death/hospitalization

The benefit: 10 million Americans get to rejoin public society and we get closer to eradicating a virus that's killed 4 million people

You lost me at eradicating, the Covid vaccine will never be able to eradicate the virus. It prevents you from getting extremely sick and lowers your odds of contracting it. But you can still contract the virus and spread it to others. So your unvaccinated individuals that are immunocompromised are still fucked until further notice.

**This post was edited on Aug 4th 2021 at 4:33:31pm
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Lonely
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T.L.Never once did I say vaccine distribution is being used to control people. Want the vaccine, take the fuckin vaccine. That's been my stance since day one. My issue has always been compulsory mandates.

Mandates by their very nature are controlling. Entities using their ever expanding authority to make certain actions and behavior compulsory. They're literally wielding their control over you that result in the outcomes they desire.


Aren't vaccines already compulsory? At least if you want to go to public schools, or be in the military, or travel to countries, or work in certain industries
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Lonely
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r00kieHow is forcing what you want onto other people not selfish?


Is not wanting people to drive drunk selfish?
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Lonely
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Film.Science says we will live with covid for the rest of time, government overloads and totalitarians say this idea of zero covid is achievable. Sure it's achievable but it's not a world any of us want to live in. Israel is going back on lockdown again and they have one of the highest populations vaccinated per eligible population. Sydney, Aus has the military patrolling the street enforcing their 5th+ lockdown in the past year. It's a good thing they gave up all their guns. But they are in pursuit of a zero covid country, which is outright impossible and will be for the rest of time. No matter how many booster shots, no matter how many therapeutics people will continue to die with covid for the rest of our lives, it will get worse in the late summer/ early fall for states in the sunbelt then subside, and get bad in everything above the sun belt during the late fall and early winter. This seasonal cycle will go on forever, no matter what we do.

This is what I said earlier this never stops even if 99% of the eligible population of the US is vaccinated. Go on with life, if you wanna wear a mask wear a mask. If you wanna get vaccinated get vaccinated, but this idea that the FDA and CDC are gonna protect your health, and protect you from getting or dying from covid is insane. Let private businesses enforce whatever they want, I'm fully vaccinated I got my 2nd dose a few weeks ago and my bosses who are both older didn't force it on me but just said they'd appreciate if I did it. I don't carry my vaccine card anywhere, and a restaurant sitting outside looking at cards I won't go to. Let people live don't let the government have too much power over our lives. They already have so much


Everything that I have seen has stated that we could control it, and likely wouldn't need further vaccinations if we could get to 75-80%. Obviously more is better but this is literally how we have forced diseases that were killing thousands of people 70 years ago to basically go extinct...only seeing emergences in areas or communities with low rates of vaccination.
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r00kie
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LonelyIs not wanting people to drive drunk selfish?


Thats a bs argument and you know it. Big difference in someone choosing not to get a shot and driving drunk. Do better.
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skierman_jack
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The armchair scientists and philosophers of NSers are flexing their brain muscles in full force! Love to see it!
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Lonely
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BiffbarfCan't you still get and spread the delta varient when you're vaccinated? Vaccines aren't doing much for case numbers my man.


I see this talking point a lot, and again, I don't see claims from anyone worth anything in the scientific community that this will entirely stop the spread, you CAN still spread it if you have the vaccine but the AMOUNT of spread among those who are vaccinated is significantly lower.

In the same way we don't imply that seatbelts are useless because some people wearing seatbelts still die, the benefits of the vaccine, while not absolute, are much much better than the alternative.

That being said, I feel like if seatbelt wearing was trying to be mandated now....it would never pass.
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gilbertressel
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Film.Damn that really sucks for them, let's make the rest of the US population miserable and hold them hostage for the .1% of the US population who can't get the vaccine because of immunodeficiency problems. Really good cost benefit analysis there.

Here lies the root of my issues with the pandemic.

Why were we effectively imprisoned in our own homes for a whole year to protect the minority of unhealthy people who are actually vulnerable to covid 19? Shouldn't it have been the other way round?

Its just always been so fucking backwards and it breaks my heart to see the gradual corrosion of our freedoms as vaccine passports are slowly being introduced. And its a true shame that the only reason I got the vaccine was because I was basically coerced into it -- otherwise I wouldnt be able to do the things I love or go to uni. Ridiculous.
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Andi_G
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Film.It prevents you from getting extremely sick and lowers your odds of contracting it.

**This post was edited on Aug 4th 2021 at 4:33:31pm

Isn't lowering the odds of contracting it a step closer to eradicating it?
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Lonely
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r00kieThats a bs argument and you know it. Big difference in someone choosing not to get a shot and driving drunk. Do better.


Okay, is it selfish to want restaurants and grocery stores to have mandated guidelines they need to follow in regards to public health?
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Film.
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LonelyEverything that I have seen has stated that we could control it, and likely wouldn't need further vaccinations if we could get to 75-80%. Obviously more is better but this is literally how we have forced diseases that were killing thousands of people 70 years ago to basically go extinct...only seeing emergences in areas or communities with low rates of vaccination.

So, if the US gets 5% more vaccinated we will have Covid under control? Wishful thinking we are already at 70%.
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Lonely
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Film.So, if the US gets 5% more vaccinated we will have Covid under control? Wishful thinking we are already at 70%.


The percentage of the population that is fully vaccinated is 50.3%. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and hope that you just read the wrong number. So try 25%-30%
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