Would you trust bear spray to protect you from grizzly bear attack in bear country?

iFlipNo, it is not. A semi-auto like the glock is not reliable when in rough country for extended times. If I'm going through the brush in the rain and snow, getting it dirty, I definitely cannot trust it to cycle reliably. A revolver is a much better choice.

TheMoostafianHeh I was kinda fishing for reactions with that comment, but I do personally believe it. I've never had a problem with my glock and I carried it in PNW backcountry for work every day for almost 4 years. It would get jammed full of fir needles and dirt and sticks on a daily basis and always cycled without issue, even with the barrel packed full of shit. It's the most reliable pistol I've ever used, and I've probably put mine through more abuse than 90% of people who own them.

Revolvers are probably statistically less likely to malfunction, but I prefer my glock with 15rds and 2 extra mags.

TheMoostafianHeh I was kinda fishing for reactions with that comment, but I do personally believe it. I've never had a problem with my glock and I carried it in PNW backcountry for work every day for almost 4 years. It would get jammed full of fir needles and dirt and sticks on a daily basis and always cycled without issue, even with the barrel packed full of shit. It's the most reliable pistol I've ever used, and I've probably put mine through more abuse than 90% of people who own them.

Revolvers are probably statistically less likely to malfunction, but I prefer my glock with 15rds and 2 extra mags.

MiIfHunterUr a fucking asshole. Ur in the bears territory and u got the fucking temerity to shoot it??? Ur a fucking idiot kid

DolansLebensraumI would never hunt a bear but if i was in bear country with known bear attacks on humans i would not trust bear spray.

so question, would a 6.5 creedmoor round give any protection? The round is pretty fast and would probably give a 2000 pound grizzly something to think about but it might not be enough especially if the bear is angry and focused on attack.

in a perfect world tho i would just buy a 375 h&h.

DolansLebensraumI find it coincidental that your 2 stories happen to both be a nice package of 1 story promoting the effectiveness of bear spray and 1 story pretending guns dont work

you dont even mention the caliber of the rifle, which is kind of an important fact to leave out.



if these stories are true then damn, but considering these 2 stories make up a literal wet dream of environmentalists, im a bit suspicious.

Jerry.at.tricks

Shot this one right between the eyes. You going to cry about it pussy?

MiIfHunterY use a gun??? Why not make it a fair playing field and fight the bear on its own terms. I can go to a zoo a shoot a bear, it’s the same fucking thing u pussy ass bitch

Jerry.at.tricksYou sound like such a no ball pussy loser.

it’s called kill or be killed. I choose to not be dinner.

MiIfHunterNo ur a pussy ass bitch and had to use a gun.


using a gun is the biggest pussy move

anyone can kill a wild animal with a gun, it’s not fucking hard u idiot

its no different than shooting an animal at a zoo

MiIfHunterNo ur a pussy ass bitch and had to use a gun.


using a gun is the biggest pussy move

anyone can kill a wild animal with a gun, it’s not fucking hard u idiot

its no different than shooting an animal at a zoo

iFlipI’ll add another variable. What happens to your glock when you have it full of needles and dirt and some moisture, and then it dips below freezing? It becomes a one shot wonder. A revolver is a significantly better choice.

Jerry.at.tricksHahahahahahaha

how about I put a brownie within 50 yards of you but not tell you where it’s at. As it starts to charge you running around 25-30mph I wanna see your face and then listen to you say how easy that shit is while you shoot it before it pins you on the ground.

You’re a fucking joke my guy. Life isn’t a zoo, shit gets real. And when it does you have like 5 seconds (if you’re lucky) to react and make a decision. I can’t believe I’m even taking time out of my day to argue with some city fuck about how to handle a pissed off bear.

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MiIfHunterOk tuff guy

this fucking idiot here has to use a gun and is acting like what he is doing is difficult

ur fucking retarded kid

shooting a bear in the wild ain’t no harder than shooting one at a fucking zooo

say whatever u need to make urself feel better it won’t help

u Come off as a pure retard

MiIfHunterOk tuff guy

this fucking idiot here has to use a gun and is acting like what he is doing is difficult

ur fucking retarded kid

shooting a bear in the wild ain’t no harder than shooting one at a fucking zooo

say whatever u need to make urself feel better it won’t help

u Come off as a pure retard

DolansLebensraumIs english your 10th language or something...

BrandoComandoFrom Bear Hunting Magazine:

"Statistically, bear spray is more effective at deterring a charging bear. In a study done in 2008 (Smith et. al. 2008), researchers analyzed 83 bear spray incidents (61 brown bears, 20 black bears and two polar bear). Red Pepper spray proved over 90% successful on stopping the bear’s “undesirable” activity. 98% of people involved in these incidents were unharmed by the bear. However, fourteen percent of the incidents resulted in negative side effects upon the human (they were effected by the spray) and three percent left the user incapacitated.

In similar study on firearms (Smith et. al. 2012), they were effective 84% with handguns and 76% with rifles to stop bears from undesirable behavior. The study analyzed 269 bear-human conflicts in Alaska from 1883-2009. The study said, “firearm bearers suffered the same injury rates in close encounters with bears whether they used firearms or not.” Basically, firearms didn’t statistically keep people from getting injured by bears. This means that people shot bears that still attacked them. They concluded by saying, “Our findings suggest that only those proficient in firearms use should rely on them for protection in bear country.” (Copyright The Wildlife Society). I think we would all like to think we are “proficient” but the truth is, even as hunters, we all aren’t. Firearm accuracy in the heat of a fast, stressful and real-life situation isn’t easily tested.

The arguments against bear spray typically revolve around the wind blowing the spray back into your face and not hitting the bear. This is a legit concern, but it would be rare that this would happen. It’s like stacking two highly unlikely scenarios on top of each, yes it could happen, but it probably won’t. However, it is possible for bear spray to not affect a bear, such as happened with Montana resident Todd Orr. He sprayed a sow that attacked him, but it didn’t stop her. He sustained some serious, but not life threatening injuries. In his words, “Bear spray doesn’t always work, but it’s better than nothing.”'

http://www.bear-hunting.com/2019/8/firearm-vs-bear-spray

DolansLebensraumlike who the fuck is going to carry a gun in yellowstone?

iFlipAt least you admit you were trolling. And why would you carry 45 rounds of ammo if you’re hiking? You’re never going to manage a reload against a charging bear and your first few shots will be all you will get, even if you’re lucky.



I’ll add another variable. What happens to your glock when you have it full of needles and dirt and some moisture, and then it dips below freezing? It becomes a one shot wonder. A revolver is a significantly better choice.

cydwhitBeyond all the knowledge being dropped in this thread, and the fact that you need a ridiculous amount of training, or luck to be effective with a handgun against a bear, I also choose bear spray for the convenience of it. When I am traveling in griz country, I'm usually trying to move pretty light and fast because I have alpine objectives.

A can of bear spray weighs about 300g. The Desert Eagle you (hilariously) mentioned weighs 2000 (plus amo). And it's bulkier and more challenging to carry in a manner that is safe, but also keeps it handy so that when your hypothetical bloodthirsty bear charges you can get it out and use it, instead of pissing yourself while you fight the buckle on your chest harness. I can carry bear spray on the shoulder strap of my pack, in a water bottle cage on my bike, or even strapped to the handlebars. I can even just carry the spray in one hand on runs where I'm not even carrying a pack. Contrary to what COD may have you believe, it's no fun jogging around the hills with an Eagle in one hand. And open carrying on more popular trails broadcasts your misguided enthusiasm for firearms to other backcountry users, and can color your interactions with them.

Finally, there's the safety aspect of it. I grew up in gun culture, I've been shooting since I was old enough to learn muzzle control, and even so, it takes a lot of energy to make sure I'm carrying and using firearms safely. Just because it's second nature doesn't mean it doesn't take energy. I want to spend that energy getting to cool places, not trying to make sure that I don't shoot myself or a friend. I can store my bear spray on a shelf by the front door so it's always handy and I never forget to grab it. No responsible gun owner would store a loaded weapon as accessibly as you can bear spray.

Bear spray is cheap, it works, and it takes less training to the point that even cosplaying "tactical" wannabes can use it effectively.

cydwhitEver been to Yellowstone? Plenty of people carry in the park. They’re the same kind of idiots who make threads like this.

DolansLebensraumThen you posted this ^



its pretty clear youre a total hippy.


instead of a gun ill just bring your ass into bear country and when a bear charges like this one ill just make sure you are inbetween the 2 of us with your little can of bear spray, shitting your pants while you are forced to wait until the bear, going 35 mph towards you, gets within 15 feet, giving you approximately 0.35 seconds to hit the vw beetle sized brown bear with your spray before it is on top of you biting through your skull.

im sure someone as brave as you would be happy to use your manly bear spray to protect pussies like me.

you are a huge badass.




https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/976873/Bear-Charging-Hunters-Stopped-Dead-In-Tracks

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vibecheck

This is my bear spray.

I find it funny how out of all of these people saying bear spray is superior, maybe 1 of them had actually been in a situation to use it.

I live and work around bears (Coastal Browns and Blacks) for a living here in AK. I’ve both sprayed and bombed bears.

the one time I sprayed the bear came back 10 minutes later even more pissed off than before. And I couldn’t see and was throwing up because the wind blew the spray back towards my direction.

I’ve nuclear bombed multiple large brownies not for sport but out of protection of my work and the safety of the families that I work with. Not one of them got back up after the first bombing.

I’ll never trust spray again after my experience. I will however trust my nuclear bombs every single time.

Bended_Toenail1. from reading your comments in this thread it is clear you are terrified of bears and think their attacks are much more common.

2. I kid you not, that video reminded me of the interaction I had with a bear in which I stopped it dead in my tracks using bear spray

Bended_Toenail1. from reading your comments in this thread it is clear you are terrified of bears and think their attacks are much more common.

2. I kid you not, that video reminded me of the interaction I had with a bear in which I stopped it dead in my tracks using bear spray

ElcheapoOk op, in this situation, bear spray or gun

HypeBeastGrizzly bears are absolutely massive. Incomprehensible. If I caught one of those fuckers charging at me, idk man but you gotta have a lot of confidence in that gun and your accuracy under pressure. Bear spray so much easier and also works


Didn't you make a similar thread like a year ago?

HypeBeastWhy not just carry both gun and spray?

HypeBeastWhy not just carry both gun and spray?

safarisamwhen I’m out hunting my friends and I do, we’d always rather use bear spray first.

DolansLebensraumIf i ever go into brownbear country i will carry both. But on the gun front im still not sure if i would do better with a 375 h&h or a shotgun with slugs or a 500 smith and pwnson.



also im going to round up at least 5 of you wildboy badasses from this thread and have you form a ring around me at all times while we are hiking.

ReturnToMonkeyMy bear defense of choice is my own personal @Jerry.at.tricks

DolansLebensraumLooking at benelli supernova and mossberg. Benelli seems to be pretty legit. Italian engineering autism notwithstanding

DolansLebensraumLooking at benelli supernova and mossberg. Benelli seems to be pretty legit. Italian engineering autism notwithstanding