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I take my skis off with my edge so the paint started to chip off but other then that they treat me great no pre release very loud snap in and super light weight
If your sending it hard you will have more pre release issues than a pivot , other than that they’re gr8, lightweight, good range, low stack height, distribute power across the ski well, the colors look good .
I prefer pivots, then attaaks, sth for powder skis, jesters if brakes from pivots don’t fit
They are completely and utterly underrated as fuck. They are rock solid bindings and you will know what i mean when you click into them. They hold your boot tight to the ski and they feel like they will never prerelease. Evan mceachran and jesper tjader both murder with these bindings and imo they are two of the best pro skiers out there.
i dont know what sort of pricing strategy look is trying to pull off with their 300$-400$ look pivots, but at 130$ new tyrolia attack 13s are 3 times the value per dollar as pivots.
If you want the wiggle room then get pivots. But if you want to feel locked into the ski get attacks.
and if you need a din higher than 13 you must be some sort of bionic meatloaf popsicle.
lol, if your skiing park dont bother with attacks and just go for pivots straight up. i had so many issues with pre release and the afd on attacks, the afd will literally move a few cm everytime you ski so unless you adjust it daily you will pre release a fuckton. pivots are super reliable and havent pre released on me even once. worth the extra 40-60 bucks so your ski doesnt eject on a rail
I was skiing 4 days a week and crashing trying new tricks every day for this season, and never had a problem. Sick bindings and if u can get em on sale theyre even better.
mottlol, if your skiing park dont bother with attacks and just go for pivots straight up. i had so many issues with pre release and the afd on attacks, the afd will literally move a few cm everytime you ski so unless you adjust it daily you will pre release a fuckton. pivots are super reliable and havent pre released on me even once. worth the extra 40-60 bucks so your ski doesnt eject on a rail
Curious if you still have those Attacks as the AFD should not need to be adjusted daily if it’s set up properly-unless the binding is defective of course.
When you’re adjusting the AFD height, are you applying pressure on the boot cuff to wheelie the toe and remove slack before adjusting? Common missed step and will still be loose if not done and will change every time you check it.
Another easy visual tell they aren’t adjusted properly is the two mounting screws above the AFD on the Attack2 are totally open and not partially covered by AFD on alpine boots. All my screws are 1/3 to 1/2 covered by the AFD after adjustment. I now move the AFD so the screw is partially covered and then adjust with the boot and spacer. Bindings look like the pic.
Have had over 20 pairs of Attacks and some weren’t adjusted properly by techs till I learned the “wheelie the boot toe, then adjust AFD” trick. Perfect after that.
Current quiver with a few pairs of Attack 13s and 16s. Lol
Greg_KCurious if you still have those Attacks as the AFD should not need to be adjusted daily if it’s set up properly-unless the binding is defective of course.
When you’re adjusting the AFD height, are you applying pressure on the boot cuff to wheelie the toe and remove slack before adjusting? Common missed step and will still be loose if not done and will change every time you check it.
Another easy visual tell they aren’t adjusted properly is the two mounting screws above the AFD on the Attack2 are totally open and not partially covered by AFD on alpine boots. All my screws are 1/3 to 1/2 covered by the AFD after adjustment. I now move the AFD so the screw is partially covered and then adjust with the boot and spacer. Bindings look like the pic.
Have had over 20 pairs of Attacks and some weren’t adjusted properly by techs till I learned the “wheelie the boot toe, then adjust AFD” trick. Perfect after that.
Current quiver with a few pairs of Attack 13s and 16s. Lol
Yep i was doing the wheelie thing with my boot as the shop tech advised. Still came loose after a day in the park. My friend riding attacks also had the exact same problem and countless other people on ns have aswell. Just not worth bothering with attacks if you ride park
Explain this in detail to me plz. I love my attaaks but I do feel that they will pre release before a pivot, my afd on my attaaks don’t move , like not at all , probably have to hit it with a hammer
mottYep i was doing the wheelie thing with my boot as the shop tech advised. Still came loose after a day in the park. My friend riding attacks also had the exact same problem and countless other people on ns have aswell. Just not worth bothering with attacks if you ride park
SavageBiffExplain this in detail to me plz. I love my attaaks but I do feel that they will pre release before a pivot, my afd on my attaaks don’t move , like not at all , probably have to hit it with a hammer
Id usually ski for a day and the next time i skied my boot was able to wobble up and down in the toe piece. Could very well be that i ski in a place with somewhat icy landings and harder impacts, but it was annoying as shit, not to mention it didnt inspire a lot of confidence landing anything but perfectly . I ended up warrantying them through the shop i bought em at and got new ones for free. Bought pivots anyways though and threw them on my dads skis instead. Wouldnt ever buy attacks again unless i was just skiing groomers or some shit lmao
mottId usually ski for a day and the next time i skied my boot was able to wobble up and down in the toe piece. Could very well be that i ski in a place with somewhat icy landings and harder impacts, but it was annoying as shit, not to mention it didnt inspire a lot of confidence landing anything but perfectly . I ended up warrantying them through the shop i bought em at and got new ones for free. Bought pivots anyways though and threw them on my dads skis instead. Wouldnt ever buy attacks again unless i was just skiing groomers or some shit lmao
mottId usually ski for a day and the next time i skied my boot was able to wobble up and down in the toe piece. Could very well be that i ski in a place with somewhat icy landings and harder impacts, but it was annoying as shit, not to mention it didnt inspire a lot of confidence landing anything but perfectly . I ended up warrantying them through the shop i bought em at and got new ones for free. Bought pivots anyways though and threw them on my dads skis instead. Wouldnt ever buy attacks again unless i was just skiing groomers or some shit lmao
Did you keep the wheelie force while you slid the paper over the afd? Because for me if i wheelied the boot and then let go the paper wouldnt slide freely. But if you kept the wheelie force on the boot the paper would slide again and you would realize you werent as tight on the afd as it should be.
other than that maybe you walk alot to and from the lift on concrete everytime you ski? Because if you wear down the bottom of your boot you will need to occasionally tighten the afd.
but as for your claim that the screw on the afd unscrewed itself, either the binding is defective or you are full of shit. A force of the boot would have no chance of unscrewing the afd. Not even if the afd screw was loose as fuck and jiggling around in its hole, in which case would indicate a defective binding. But If you did have a defective binding where the afd screw would bounce around and loosen itself up over time it would be down to entropy and not because the weight of your boot was unscrewing the afd screw. If that could happen then you could unscrew the top of a gatorade bottle by squeezing the sides of the bottle. The amount of force you would need to unscrew an afd screw by pounding on the afd would be enough to vaporize the binding and everybody within a 2 mile radius. In which case you would be dead, and you wouldnt care about your bindings anymore, and everybody would hate you for killing so many ppl trying to unscrew your afd.
But as for your claim that you get prerelease even when your afd is snug, the only thing i can think of is either your back pressure is not enough or theres something defective about the backpressure indicator or maybe the sides of the toe of your boot are worn down or naturally smaller on your boot.
i understand that there does not seem to be much wrap around on the attack 2 toe pieces but the ppl at tyrolia who designed the attack 2 are not idiots and this prerelease should not be happening. They probably spent many thousands of hours testing the binding before putting it into production, and if there truly was a prerelease problem with the binding when adjusted properly it would have been caught very quickly.
i have tried every angle possible angle of pulling my boot sideways out of my ski with my dins at 4 to try to see if i could get the toe of my boot to prerelease or slip out somehow but i never could.
there has to be something wrong with your binding or something wrong with your boot.
the afd needs to be legit snug tho. You should barely be able to slide the paper in between while applying the wheelie pressure on the boot. Tyrolia includes a picture diagram with their bindings to make sure the owner properly adjusts the afd so its obv important.
but as for your afd screw working itself loose that has to be defective. The afd screw on my attack 2s is very hard to turn. It isnt going to loosen up by itself a single nanometer.
DolansLebensraumDid you keep the wheelie force while you slid the paper over the afd? Because for me if i wheelied the boot and then let go the paper wouldnt slide freely. But if you kept the wheelie force on the boot the paper would slide again and you would realize you werent as tight on the afd as it should be.
other than that maybe you walk alot to and from the lift on concrete everytime you ski? Because if you wear down the bottom of your boot you will need to occasionally tighten the afd.
but as for your claim that the screw on the afd unscrewed itself, either the binding is defective or you are full of shit. A force of the boot would have no chance of unscrewing the afd. Not even if the afd screw was loose as fuck and jiggling around in its hole, in which case would indicate a defective binding. But If you did have a defective binding where the afd screw would bounce around and loosen itself up over time it would be down to entropy and not because the weight of your boot was unscrewing the afd screw. If that could happen then you could unscrew the top of a gatorade bottle by squeezing the sides of the bottle. The amount of force you would need to unscrew an afd screw by pounding on the afd would be enough to vaporize the binding and everybody within a 2 mile radius. In which case you would be dead, and you wouldnt care about your bindings anymore, and everybody would hate you for killing so many ppl trying to unscrew your afd.
But as for your claim that you get prerelease even when your afd is snug, the only thing i can think of is either your back pressure is not enough or theres something defective about the backpressure indicator or maybe the sides of the toe of your boot are worn down or naturally smaller on your boot.
i understand that there does not seem to be much wrap around on the attack 2 toe pieces but the ppl at tyrolia who designed the attack 2 are not idiots and this prerelease should not be happening. They probably spent many thousands of hours testing the binding before putting it into production, and if there truly was a prerelease problem with the binding when adjusted properly it would have been caught very quickly.
i have tried every angle possible angle of pulling my boot sideways out of my ski with my dins at 4 to try to see if i could get the toe of my boot to prerelease or slip out somehow but i never could.
there has to be something wrong with your binding or something wrong with your boot.
the afd needs to be legit snug tho. You should barely be able to slide the paper in between while applying the wheelie pressure on the boot. Tyrolia includes a picture diagram with their bindings to make sure the owner properly adjusts the afd so its obv important.
but as for your afd screw working itself loose that has to be defective. The afd screw on my attack 2s is very hard to turn. It isnt going to loosen up by itself a single nanometer.
maybe talk to tyrolia and see what they say.
the professional term for "back pressure"
is forward lean doltchild
and tyros work better with it tighter
SFBv420.0the professional term for "back pressure"
is forward lean doltchild
and tyros work better with it tighter
I thought that most bindings had a spring in the heelpiece of the binding that you would move the heelpiece forward or backwards to make sure the spring was in its working distance and engaged when the boot is clicked in. And i dont think being nearer to either end of the backpressure indicator would matter much. It just matters if you are within the range of the indicator.
Also, did you mean to say “forward pressure”? Because “forward lean” ive never heard that term being used.
SFBv420.0the difference is you "think" and ive been "doing" for longer than youve been skiing probably breathing too
You dont have to be an asshole man. Why do you think it makes more sense for a spring in the heelpiece that stretches as the boot pushes it backwards to be called “forward lean” as you call it, than “back pressure” as i call it?
youre kind of making yourself look like you think your experiential knowledge is somehow unattainable to common folk, when it isnt.
its not rocket science man.
The correct term is adjust the heel piece along the track to adjust for the heel length is FORWARD PRESSURE. In the Attack, there are tabs every 3mm along that track and the forward pressure is correct if the edge of the heel piece lines up within the 6mm scribed area. USUALLY this isn’t as often misadjusted like AFD height but should be checked along with DIN if you are running into issues.
Like Dolan mentioned, you do have to keep HEAVY pressure on the rear cuff while raising and checking the AFD height to eliminate any slack. This is true on any non Look binding as they are automatically adjusted, so Markers and Salomon bindings could have the same toe height/AFD height issues as well.
Normally when the AFD is properly set, it will need adjustment maybe once a year because of boot sole wear and if it’s more often than that, something is wrong with the binding or their adjustment. Defective bindings can of course happen but improper initial set up is definitely on Tyrolia and Marker bindings.
Greg_KThe correct term is adjust the heel piece along the track to adjust for the heel length is FORWARD PRESSURE. In the Attack, there are tabs every 3mm along that track and the forward pressure is correct if the edge of the heel piece lines up within the 6mm scribed area. USUALLY this isn’t as often misadjusted like AFD height but should be checked along with DIN if you are running into issues.
Like Dolan mentioned, you do have to keep HEAVY pressure on the rear cuff while raising and checking the AFD height to eliminate any slack. This is true on any non Look binding as they are automatically adjusted, so Markers and Salomon bindings could have the same toe height/AFD height issues as well.
Normally when the AFD is properly set, it will need adjustment maybe once a year because of boot sole wear and if it’s more often than that, something is wrong with the binding or their adjustment. Defective bindings can of course happen but improper initial set up is definitely on Tyrolia and Marker bindings.
Cool. How come looks dont have the need for an afd adjustment?
DolansLebensraumCool. How come looks dont have the need for an afd adjustment?
Like some jr, Race and system bindings of many companies, toe and heel height auto adjusts when you step into the toe piece. The only adjust you have to do on Looks is when you have a GW(Grip Walk) boot, you have to put the AFD at the GW setting. Then it will auto adjust on that GW boot from then on.
Only drawback is there is no adjustment for severe boot sole wear, so the user has to replace the soles or entire boot has to be replaced of the wear is beyond the “auto adjustment range” of the Look binding.
**This post was edited on Apr 13th 2021 at 10:50:22am
DolansLebensraumDid you keep the wheelie force while you slid the paper over the afd? Because for me if i wheelied the boot and then let go the paper wouldnt slide freely. But if you kept the wheelie force on the boot the paper would slide again and you would realize you werent as tight on the afd as it should be.
other than that maybe you walk alot to and from the lift on concrete everytime you ski? Because if you wear down the bottom of your boot you will need to occasionally tighten the afd.
but as for your claim that the screw on the afd unscrewed itself, either the binding is defective or you are full of shit. A force of the boot would have no chance of unscrewing the afd. Not even if the afd screw was loose as fuck and jiggling around in its hole, in which case would indicate a defective binding. But If you did have a defective binding where the afd screw would bounce around and loosen itself up over time it would be down to entropy and not because the weight of your boot was unscrewing the afd screw. If that could happen then you could unscrew the top of a gatorade bottle by squeezing the sides of the bottle. The amount of force you would need to unscrew an afd screw by pounding on the afd would be enough to vaporize the binding and everybody within a 2 mile radius. In which case you would be dead, and you wouldnt care about your bindings anymore, and everybody would hate you for killing so many ppl trying to unscrew your afd.
But as for your claim that you get prerelease even when your afd is snug, the only thing i can think of is either your back pressure is not enough or theres something defective about the backpressure indicator or maybe the sides of the toe of your boot are worn down or naturally smaller on your boot.
i understand that there does not seem to be much wrap around on the attack 2 toe pieces but the ppl at tyrolia who designed the attack 2 are not idiots and this prerelease should not be happening. They probably spent many thousands of hours testing the binding before putting it into production, and if there truly was a prerelease problem with the binding when adjusted properly it would have been caught very quickly.
i have tried every angle possible angle of pulling my boot sideways out of my ski with my dins at 4 to try to see if i could get the toe of my boot to prerelease or slip out somehow but i never could.
there has to be something wrong with your binding or something wrong with your boot.
the afd needs to be legit snug tho. You should barely be able to slide the paper in between while applying the wheelie pressure on the boot. Tyrolia includes a picture diagram with their bindings to make sure the owner properly adjusts the afd so its obv important.
but as for your afd screw working itself loose that has to be defective. The afd screw on my attack 2s is very hard to turn. It isnt going to loosen up by itself a single nanometer.
maybe talk to tyrolia and see what they say.
Yup i did everything as stated and they would still loosen up, when i was using those bindings i never even walked thru the lot in boots and my soles are still pretty new to this day. i have a homie whos attacks would do the same thing even after properly being adjusted forward pressure, afd, din etc. I dont know about you but personally i spend more time skiing than i do admiring my gear and bootlicking whoever the fuck engineered it, i have literally no reason to bullshit about it because i and others have experienced it. They just arent good bindings.
mottYup i did everything as stated and they would still loosen up, when i was using those bindings i never even walked thru the lot in boots and my soles are still pretty new to this day. i have a homie whos attacks would do the same thing even after properly being adjusted forward pressure, afd, din etc. I dont know about you but personally i spend more time skiing than i do admiring my gear and bootlicking whoever the fuck engineered it, i have literally no reason to bullshit about it because i and others have experienced it. They just arent good bindings.
You sound like more of a bootlicker for look than i do for tyrolia. 95% of ppl on ns who have attacks say they never prerelease and theyre great bindings. Why is that?
i would believe that your bindings were defective but if you wanna bullshit about normal tyrolia attack2s prereleasing then ur full of shit, sorry.
meanwhile you see posts everywhere about ppls pivots falling apart all the time like typical french engineered garbage.
Oh look at those gorgeous little metal twigs. Its like look was so busy making such a divinely perfect binding that they forgot to make it look any sleeker or sturdier than a 6th graders science project. Mmmmm... much sleek... many robust.
i mean honestly between salomon changing almost nothing about the sth binding since 1990 and ghe pivot heelpiece looking like some sort of genital bondage equipment im gonna go ahead and leave my trust to the austrians who know how to make something that both looks and is bulletproof. Look and salomon kind of remind me of valo skates after their roces m12/v13 patent expired, and all valo had left was their carbon fiber valo lights that were a complete and total embarrassment.
Honestly unless your gonna acknowledge your attacks might have been defecto then you dont deserve any immunity from hearing some negative shit about your precious pivots.
I can accept that the heel piece on pivots is functional enough, but if your binding manufacturer cant make it look any less janky than that, how can you put such an enormous amount of trust into the actual capabilities of the binding as a whole?
Very untrue, your techs just not a good tech, your din too low, fuck the chart turn em up, or you got defective bindings unlikely. Got 4 pairs of attaaks, 3 pivots an sth2, and two jesters , have retired more attaaks than most people will ever own, and while they’re not as retentive as a pivot, they are great bindings in all aspects, they release when I want, don’t when I don’t, like when I eat shit in a no fall zone and have to get back up with two skis on, the only time they’ve pre released was on tip catches and some ultra torqued spins before I tightened the paper to a business card so tight it didn’t tear but I really had to pull that bitch out, before my own adjustments I did have one come off mid 540 but I landed one foot picked it up, researched, made my adjustments now there are no issues.
I trust attaaks with my knees and life, do prefer a pivot but attaaks are great and you don’t know what your talking about.
oh and btw my boots got miles and miles of walking on concrete, slamming, I mean fucking slamming my heel into the boot, I walk hard and fast, probably a 4+ ft gate, run up and down steps, slamming, got a race fit boot, gotta slam em in there, SLAM ! My boots look like dogs where chewing on em, most my attaaks got 100+ days and I charge every run, I simply cannot just cruise.
mottYup i did everything as stated and they would still loosen up, when i was using those bindings i never even walked thru the lot in boots and my soles are still pretty new to this day. i have a homie whos attacks would do the same thing even after properly being adjusted forward pressure, afd, din etc. I dont know about you but personally i spend more time skiing than i do admiring my gear and bootlicking whoever the fuck engineered it, i have literally no reason to bullshit about it because i and others have experienced it. They just arent good bindings.
SavageBiffVery untrue, your techs just not a good tech, your din too low, fuck the chart turn em up, or you got defective bindings unlikely. Got 4 pairs of attaaks, 3 pivots an sth2, and two jesters , have retired more attaaks than most people will ever own, and while they’re not as retentive as a pivot, they are great bindings in all aspects, they release when I want, don’t when I don’t, like when I eat shit in a no fall zone and have to get back up with two skis on, the only time they’ve pre released was on tip catches and some ultra torqued spins before I tightened the paper to a business card so tight it didn’t tear but I really had to pull that bitch out, before my own adjustments I did have one come off mid 540 but I landed one foot picked it up, researched, made my adjustments now there are no issues.
I trust attaaks with my knees and life, do prefer a pivot but attaaks are great and you don’t know what your talking about.
oh and btw my boots got miles and miles of walking on concrete, slamming, I mean fucking slamming my heel into the boot, I walk hard and fast, probably a 4+ ft gate, run up and down steps, slamming, got a race fit boot, gotta slam em in there, SLAM ! My boots look like dogs where chewing on em, most my attaaks got 100+ days and I charge every run, I simply cannot just cruise.
Nice. Yeah i have a hard time believing head would put out a binding with legitimate prerelease issue. The afd is there for a reason. It needs to be snug
DIN being too low is a problem I've recognized I have. I never really figured that I would need higher than 9, but I now realize I do after ejecting making very sharp turns at high speeds. This was on attack 13s and now I ride a 10.5 and feel very very good about my bindings again.
Had that happen to me a few times years ago, even after adjusting my afd, turned the dins on my attaaks from 9.5 to 10.5, it got better but still released spinning out of a butter so I tightened the afd, but I still lost a ski this year like that and slid from top to bottom between maxx and long chute, keep em at 11 now. And they’ve been perfect, did release when I landed tips down and during a backseat mogul crash no injuries but I felt the release in my legs for sure. This is why I prefer pivots, but I like the “feel”, especially in the park of the lighter attaaks, and they feel like they ski flatter, like other bindings have more forward lean, I don’t like that about other bindings. Still really like attaaks, but I’ve never had a pivot pre release and brake options are too limited, every binding should be made in 10mm or less increments, not 95,115,130.
Another thing that interests me are swapping springs. Ex: griffon or jester spring into a jester 18, useful if you got spares like me, love the jester pro teal color scheme, but riding an 8 binding din at 10ish idk, I like to be in the middle, we could all use a definitive answer on the binding din range and spring pressure accuracy at bottom and top range of din
BigPurpleSkiSuitDIN being too low is a problem I've recognized I have. I never really figured that I would need higher than 9, but I now realize I do after ejecting making very sharp turns at high speeds. This was on attack 13s and now I ride a 10.5 and feel very very good about my bindings again.
