Apparently the fluoro wax ban was lifted by the FIS because they still havent developed a fluoro testing device

Welcome back!

I should go wax my skis. Your wax threads are always a good reminder to do so.

he’s back and ready to take down the FIS

mystery3Welcome back!

I should go wax my skis. Your wax threads are always a good reminder to do so.

Haha. I just waxed my skis today. You gonna get out on the slopes again this season? If you have a good warm or medium temp wax it will make slushy conditions glide really fast.

powpatrolhe’s back and ready to take down the FIS

Ive been terrorizing youtube video comment sections during my ns ban. Its funny how swix and toko and other wax companies are posting videos that claim the new non fluoro waxes are faster than the old fluoro-containing waxes.... as if we are that fucking stupid... its hilarious.



If non fluoro waxes were faster then pro ski racing teams would have ditched fluoro a long time ago.

So i dont understand how these companies think they can convince customers to spend 100$ today for a non fluoro wax that isnt even as fast as a fluoro wax that you could have bought the same amount of a few yrs ago for 10$.

one of these videos i watched recently showed a swix factory where they were making non fluoro ski waxes. The facial expression of pretty much everybody in that video was depressed looking as fuck. They literally looked like they were ready to kill themselves. I wouldnt blame them. I wouldnt be surprised if swix and toko went out of business. Regular non fluoro wax does make your skis faster than not waxing, but not like fluoro waxes do. Fluoros are much faster.



I dont know what the future is going to look like, but if i didnt already have plenty of fluoro wax stashed for myself, i would probably buy some fluoro wax from whatever companies around the world still produced it. And if the whole world banned it, i would buy it on a silk road type marketplace. Hopefully the general quality of a chinese product would be good enough i assume it wouldnt be that hard though. The copy engineering capability of a bespoke chinaman is simply scary.

Hi Dolan san, it’s lovely to have you back senpai

does this mean the 100 lb of wax you bought lost its value?

DolansLebensraumHaha. I just waxed my skis today. You gonna get out on the slopes again this season? If you have a good warm or medium temp wax it will make slushy conditions glide really fast.

Ive been terrorizing youtube video comment sections during my ns ban. Its funny how swix and toko and other wax companies are posting videos that claim the new non fluoro waxes are faster than the old fluoro-containing waxes.... as if we are that fucking stupid... its hilarious.



If non fluoro waxes were faster then pro ski racing teams would have ditched fluoro a long time ago.

So i dont understand how these companies think they can convince customers to spend 100$ today for a non fluoro wax that isnt even as fast as a fluoro wax that you could have bought the same amount of a few yrs ago for 10$.

one of these videos i watched recently showed a swix factory where they were making non fluoro ski waxes. The facial expression of pretty much everybody in that video was depressed looking as fuck. They literally looked like they were ready to kill themselves. I wouldnt blame them. I wouldnt be surprised if swix and toko went out of business. Regular non fluoro wax does make your skis faster than not waxing, but not like fluoro waxes do. Fluoros are much faster.



I dont know what the future is going to look like, but if i didnt already have plenty of fluoro wax stashed for myself, i would probably buy some fluoro wax from whatever companies around the world still produced it. And if the whole world banned it, i would buy it on a silk road type marketplace. Hopefully the general quality of a chinese product would be good enough i assume it wouldnt be that hard though. The copy engineering capability of a bespoke chinaman is simply scary.

I'm surprised that a genius like you doesn't expound on the FACT that a proper base structure for the conditions will be the largest contributor to glide in warm snow conditions. Wax will get you a little more but structure is everything.

Also surprise that you don't think high level athletes will break any rule that is not easily enforceable.

A Silk Road for Fluoro wax. LMFAO

DolansLebensraumHaha. I just waxed my skis today. You gonna get out on the slopes again this season? If you have a good warm or medium temp wax it will make slushy conditions glide really fast.

Ive been terrorizing youtube video comment sections during my ns ban. Its funny how swix and toko and other wax companies are posting videos that claim the new non fluoro waxes are faster than the old fluoro-containing waxes.... as if we are that fucking stupid... its hilarious.



If non fluoro waxes were faster then pro ski racing teams would have ditched fluoro a long time ago.

So i dont understand how these companies think they can convince customers to spend 100$ today for a non fluoro wax that isnt even as fast as a fluoro wax that you could have bought the same amount of a few yrs ago for 10$.

one of these videos i watched recently showed a swix factory where they were making non fluoro ski waxes. The facial expression of pretty much everybody in that video was depressed looking as fuck. They literally looked like they were ready to kill themselves. I wouldnt blame them. I wouldnt be surprised if swix and toko went out of business. Regular non fluoro wax does make your skis faster than not waxing, but not like fluoro waxes do. Fluoros are much faster.



I dont know what the future is going to look like, but if i didnt already have plenty of fluoro wax stashed for myself, i would probably buy some fluoro wax from whatever companies around the world still produced it. And if the whole world banned it, i would buy it on a silk road type marketplace. Hopefully the general quality of a chinese product would be good enough i assume it wouldnt be that hard though. The copy engineering capability of a bespoke chinaman is simply scary.

SammyDubzdoes this mean the 100 lb of wax you bought lost its value?

Nah it seems like all the sales to racing teams is going on hush hush and the wax makers arent selling fluoros to the public. Either way fluoros are an endangered species, and im still glad i bought up a load of fluoro wax. I got a really good deal anyways. Not even depending on the relativity factor. I got the wax for a price that was cheap by 2015 standards.

SessionI'm surprised that a genius like you doesn't expound on the FACT that a proper base structure for the conditions will be the largest contributor to glide in warm snow conditions. Wax will get you a little more but structure is everything.

Also surprise that you don't think high level athletes will break any rule that is not easily enforceable.

Base structure is important but the right wax is just as important. Also 9 out of 10 ski shops that have a base grinding machine are going to fuck up your base and make it worse than it was with its factory base grind. So waxing is a much more enjoyable and lower risk way to play with your skis performance.

And when the snow is warm and wet some high fluoro wax will do plenty enough to the bases hydrophobicity that the factory stock base structure will be textured enough to make your skis very fast. A universal temp factory basegrind will handle alot of different temperature snow conditions very easily with the right wax. For recreational purposes you want to stick with your factory grind and just protect it with frequent waxings.

I havent gathered from what ive seen and read that alpine and FIS teams do an overt amount of tinkering with base grinds. I thought fluoro content and wax hardness were the main factors that teams played with to optimize skis for different weather/temps. But if they grind away every time the thermometer rises 1 degree then i guess thats what they do. Its not worth it for a recreational skier tho.


also i dont know why you assumed i thought pro racing teams wouldnt cheat if they could get away with it. Of course they would.