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Every year there is less snow, lets face it winters are becoming shorter. yet no one does anything about it. WE NEED TO FIND A WAY TO FIX IT. ski stations wont help us
Idk man I personally think we should hold big corporations responsible for the majority of this carbon footprint not as much individual people. But we can all do our part since the US won’t hold any corporation accountable
The solution to skiing is the one everyone hates, because no one likes personally paying to solve the problem. Charge $50 for parking and put the money to use to offset the footprint of skiing. Everyone’s complaining about traffic and climate change well there’s the answer. Get 6 people in your car and drive on up. Is it awesome to be able to roll up solo for free. Hell yea it is I love it. I would absolutely hate paying to park. But it’s also a huge externality on the climate / traffic and it shouldn’t be free.
theabortionatorI bring a bag if ice to throw on the mtn every time I go. If enough people do this we will build a glacier, and glaciers like goonies never die.
Actually down for this... did Whistler ever make any progress restoring part of horstman w snowmaking?
I feel like if the world completely used solar and wind power and planted a fuck Ton of trees and somehow made a hole in the atmosphere to send all the CO2 out we could reverse global warming. Or put a fuck ton of safe particles up in the atmosphere to block the sun out partially and cool the earth off.
WoFlowzIdk man I personally think we should hold big corporations responsible for the majority of this carbon footprint not as much individual people. But we can all do our part since the US won’t hold any corporation accountable
Ultra long term outlooks would favor investing in real estate in places like breck key copper abasin bc they will have reliable winters with good, non-melting spring conditions for thousands of years.
but im pretty sure if the earth keeps warming places like mammoth or the park city area are going to become very short seasoned. Late spring conditions in March and april in park city will only get more and more blown out of the water by places like breck where the snow is almost a glacier by comparison.
Overall though there will always be places to go skiing op. Even if the avg temp of the earth is much higher than it is now.
but earth cycles thru warm and cold phases naturally. Its not just bc “muh humam poluzhun”.
and if we do warm up the earth too much we can just dump megatons of fertilizer into the oceans and let phytoplankton save our asses.
weastcoastI feel like if the world completely used solar and wind power and planted a fuck Ton of trees and somehow made a hole in the atmosphere to send all the CO2 out we could reverse global warming.
No need to poke a hole in the atmosphere to let out the CO2... thats the trees job lol
DolansLebensraumUltra long term outlooks would favor investing in real estate in places like breck key copper abasin bc they will have reliable winters with good, non-melting spring conditions for thousands of years.
but im pretty sure if the earth keeps warming places like mammoth or the park city area are going to become very short seasoned. Late spring conditions in March and april in park city will only get more and more blown out of the water by places like breck where the snow is almost a glacier by comparison.
Overall though there will always be places to go skiing op. Even if the avg temp of the earth is much higher than it is now.
but earth cycles thru warm and cold phases naturally. Its not just bc “muh humam poluzhun”.
and if we do warm up the earth too much we can just dump megatons of fertilizer into the oceans and let phytoplankton save our asses.
If you wanna change buy small and local. Shipping tankers burn the shittiest fuel and pollute so much in so many different ways
WoFlowzIdk man I personally think we should hold big corporations responsible for the majority of this carbon footprint not as much individual people. But we can all do our part since the US won’t hold any corporation accountable
*regardless of your party, personal values, or political leanings* I think everyone on this site (or anyone who cares about skiing, mountains, or nature at all) should at least be voting for politicians that believe climate change is real.
RichKidI know people don’t want to hear it but the single biggest thing you can do to help the environment is go vegan
yup, the fishing industry especially is ruining the ocean, and since the ocean actually controls the temperature of our earth, its fucking up our planet. good doco on netflix called seaspiracy done by kip andersen talks bout it a lot.
edit: moral of the doco is stop eating fish unless u caught it urself, moral of the story don't eat meat cuz feed lots affect biodiversity and take away green space.
**This post was edited on Mar 31st 2021 at 11:54:45am
RichKidI know people don’t want to hear it but the single biggest thing you can do to help the environment is go vegan
This* idk if I’ll ever go vegan but my family and I have been trying to cut a good bit of processed foods and meat out of our life’s. The ammount of Carbon emissions the meat industry makes us crazy
Ehhh idk if I fully agree. Carbon offsetting is a good start, but let's face it, the companies that are contributing to climate change the most already have the capital to reduce their impact - but they don't. I could see this perhaps being neccissary for a small ski hill, but I also don't think carbon offsetting from a small ski hill would make much of an impact. Althought skiing does contribute to climate change, no matter how much the ski industry changes, climate change will continue to fester because the fortune 500 companies of this world are far from being sustainable.
ericformanThe solution to skiing is the one everyone hates, because no one likes personally paying to solve the problem. Charge $50 for parking and put the money to use to offset the footprint of skiing. Everyone’s complaining about traffic and climate change well there’s the answer. Get 6 people in your car and drive on up. Is it awesome to be able to roll up solo for free. Hell yea it is I love it. I would absolutely hate paying to park. But it’s also a huge externality on the climate / traffic and it shouldn’t be free.
edit:I dont know much about the issue so take my OPINION with a grain of salt.
The american ski industry isnt nearly as much of a climate problem as this bullshit in china
All of that so “woke” people can upgrade to the more environmentally friendly iphone and get the latest funko pop because its “collectible”. The way i see it, we should be holding these nations that produce the most emissions accountable, especially when they dont seem to do anything about it. China produces roughly 1/3 of carbon emissions in the world.
Of course we can and should do our own part to reversing our carbon footprint, but we wont do nearly enough without cooperation from china and the rest of the world.
Next we should get rid of the idea of Consumerism.
Unfortunately, people arent going to commit to fixing the issue until it is too late
**This post was edited on Apr 1st 2021 at 12:57:53am
Just keep in mind that measuring a country's emissions is only so helpful. Since globalization is a thing, multinational production is common. Basically, my point is, even if China has higher emissions than the US, that might not account for the production facilities US companies have in China. We are quite interconnected, and although some countries have better regulations than others, country regulations only do so much. If we were to introduce tighter regulations in China, the companies would simply move production to a country with few legal and regulatory barriers. It's a bloody complicated nightmare:(
WisconsinDogfartedit:I dont know much about the issue so take my OPINION with a grain of salt.
The american ski industry isnt nearly as much of a climate problem as this bullshit in china
All of that so “woke” people can upgrade to the more environmentally friendly iphone and get the latest funko pop because its “collectible”. The way i see it, we should be holding these nations that produce the most emissions accountable, especially when they dont seem to do anything about it. China produces roughly 1/3 of carbon emissions in the world.
Of course we can and should do our own part to reversing our carbon footprint, but we wont do nearly enough without cooperation from china and the rest of the world.
Next we should get rid of the idea of Consumerism.
Unfortunately, people arent going to commit to fixing the issue until it is too late
**This post was edited on Apr 1st 2021 at 12:57:53am
hud4raptorsyup, the fishing industry especially is ruining the ocean, and since the ocean actually controls the temperature of our earth, its fucking up our planet. good doco on netflix called seaspiracy done by kip andersen talks bout it a lot.
edit: moral of the doco is stop eating fish unless u caught it urself, moral of the story don't eat meat cuz feed lots affect biodiversity and take away green space.
**This post was edited on Mar 31st 2021 at 11:54:45am
Not sure how I feel about that doc, mainly the notion that “there’s no such thing as sustainable fishing” and how they make out all fishermen to be evil pieces of shit. I agree there’s some fucked up practices going on in various parts of the world, but at least in my experience, commercial fishermen (and recreational too) care a ton about sustainability and conservation, I would venture to say way more than the average person, because their livelihoods and the livelihoods of future generations depend on it. All overfishing does is crash market prices and screws up future biomass. Granted it still happens, but domestic fishermen and lower scale commercial operations are very conscious of preserving fish populations because they’d be shooting themselves in the foot if they didn’t. I’d say the majority of unethical practices and damage done that I’ve seen is from the Chinese fleet, who has been known to show up within sight of California and on both sides of Baja and rape the local ecosystems.
source: am a part time commercial rod and reel fisherman, work on a charter boat, and am close friends with several commercial fishermen in various parts of the pacific.
**This post was edited on Apr 1st 2021 at 3:49:28am
RichKidI know people don’t want to hear it but the single biggest thing you can do to help the environment is go vegan
Fun fact: per unit use of consumption, weed has a higher carbon footprint than beef in colorado. I get were you're coming from but if you smoke you're kinda even with the peeps who don't but crush mad beef.
BiffbarfFun fact: per unit use of consumption, weed has a higher carbon footprint than beef in colorado. I get were you're coming from but if you smoke you're kinda even with the peeps who don't but crush mad beef.
I’m straight edge too. The environment isn’t my reason for being vegan, I’m just saying it’s a reason.
BiffbarfFun fact: per unit use of consumption, weed has a higher carbon footprint than beef in colorado. I get were you're coming from but if you smoke you're kinda even with the peeps who don't but crush mad beef.
Wow...didn't want this to be true but it sure looks like you're right. This is NOT a fun fact at all sir...
I try to go veggie as much as possible (primary reason being environmental concerns) but clearly I need to be doing more. I guess the one silver lining is that this is referring to indoor grown? I always prefer outdoor or stuff I/my friends have grown myself, but damn. Thanks for the info I guess....
I try to go veggie as much as possible (primary reason being environmental concerns) but clearly I need to be doing more. I guess the one silver lining is that this is referring to indoor grown? I always prefer outdoor or stuff I/my friends have grown myself, but damn. Thanks for the info I guess....
Haha yeahhhhh. It's only fun because the demographic that really pushes goin veggie/vegan for the environment usually loves their bud. I'm not hating, just enjoying the irony. There's nobility in changing your lifestyle for the sake of the environment.
But yeah that's the whole premise, the greenhouses require a shitload of energy to grow year round somewhere like Colorado. If you were in a warmer climate or you or your buddies have your own grow op in your own homes you're probably doin alright.
BiffbarfHaha yeahhhhh. It's only fun because the demographic that really pushes goin veggie/vegan for the environment usually loves their bud. I'm not hating, just enjoying the irony.
Haha yeah, this is actually me....
Now that you've prepped me with this info tho, I'm ready to go break some brains
Now that you've prepped me with this info tho, I'm ready to go break some brains
I had a thermodynamics professor at colorado state that opened one his lectures with his studies on this. He concluded something jokingly like 'if all you damn hippies cared about the environment, you'd be drinkin beer instead!'
It's been one of my fav things to get all WeLl AcKtUaLlYy about since
Now that you've prepped me with this info tho, I'm ready to go break some brains
Sorry for the double quote but I just read the article link you posted and it referenced the professor I had who I was talking about, Dr. Jason Quinn. Kinda neat!
Hate to break it to you but it ain't gonna happen. Too much money involved to make a change. For whatever reason people would rather die with their pockets full and have it all be worth nothing over the continuation of the human race.
BiffbarfI had a thermodynamics professor at colorado state that opened one his lectures with his studies on this. He concluded something jokingly like 'if all you damn hippies cared about the environment, you'd be drinkin beer instead!'
It's been one of my fav things to get all WeLl AcKtUaLlYy about since
Yes, indoor cannabis is very energy and water intensive, but beer is extremely energy and water intensive. The cannabis issue could easily be solved with solar and hydroponics. The beer industry is much more complex (hence, why I created a certification to help brewers become more sustainable and market themselves as such). That may be true about "by unit of consumption" because you're usually consuming like .5 gram at a time or less, while beef is usuallly 10 times that, at a minimum. So by the pound, I'd venture to guess that it's pretty equal, if not cannabis is lower impact by weight produced, rather than by unit of consumption.
I love seeing this topic on NS though. Keep it up!
ASAPCarterNot sure how I feel about that doc, mainly the notion that “there’s no such thing as sustainable fishing” and how they make out all fishermen to be evil pieces of shit. I agree there’s some fucked up practices going on in various parts of the world, but at least in my experience, commercial fishermen (and recreational too) care a ton about sustainability and conservation, I would venture to say way more than the average person, because their livelihoods and the livelihoods of future generations depend on it. All overfishing does is crash market prices and screws up future biomass. Granted it still happens, but domestic fishermen and lower scale commercial operations are very conscious of preserving fish populations because they’d be shooting themselves in the foot if they didn’t. I’d say the majority of unethical practices and damage done that I’ve seen is from the Chinese fleet, who has been known to show up within sight of California and on both sides of Baja and rape the local ecosystems.
source: am a part time commercial rod and reel fisherman, work on a charter boat, and am close friends with several commercial fishermen in various parts of the pacific.
**This post was edited on Apr 1st 2021 at 3:49:28am
totally agree that they potrayed the fishermen wrongly, it may be racist, but it's the japanese and chinese fishing crews that are really terrible, but the numbers point that net fishing really hurts the enviroment, i'm an avid fisherman in the summer, not in a commercial way because i'm dogshit at fishing but i like it. I like what you said about smaller fishing businesses, i hadn't thought of that actually, but when u buy fish at wal mart ur not getting those small organizations are u? correct me if i'm wrong on that, but the majority of fish in stores come from those big corporations. U've brought up good points, and while i now realise not all fishing crews are bad, i still feel that net fishing is harmful to the ocean and enviroment
ThaLoraxYes, indoor cannabis is very energy and water intensive, but beer is extremely energy and water intensive. The cannabis issue could easily be solved with solar and hydroponics. The beer industry is much more complex (hence, why I created a certification to help brewers become more sustainable and market themselves as such). That may be true about "by unit of consumption" because you're usually consuming like .5 gram at a time or less, while beef is usuallly 10 times that, at a minimum. So by the pound, I'd venture to guess that it's pretty equal, if not cannabis is lower impact by weight produced, rather than by unit of consumption.
I love seeing this topic on NS though. Keep it up!
I'll dig more into it this weekend, but I remember he was very specific about unit uses of consumption, instead of weight. The comparisons were pretty apples-to-apples, citing 12oz of canned beer, portion size of beef, etcetera. The man is very smart and very down to earth, I do not believe he is just some bias conservative who's trying to shidd on weed.
BiffbarfI'll dig more into it this weekend, but I remember he was very specific about unit uses of consumption, instead of weight. The comparisons were pretty apples-to-apples, citing 12oz of canned beer, portion size of beef, etcetera. The man is very smart and very down to earth, I do not believe he is just some bias conservative who's trying to shidd on weed.
Looks like that had it figured out decades ago, cigs and whiskey
hud4raptorstotally agree that they potrayed the fishermen wrongly, it may be racist, but it's the japanese and chinese fishing crews that are really terrible, but the numbers point that net fishing really hurts the enviroment, i'm an avid fisherman in the summer, not in a commercial way because i'm dogshit at fishing but i like it. I like what you said about smaller fishing businesses, i hadn't thought of that actually, but when u buy fish at wal mart ur not getting those small organizations are u? correct me if i'm wrong on that, but the majority of fish in stores come from those big corporations. U've brought up good points, and while i now realise not all fishing crews are bad, i still feel that net fishing is harmful to the ocean and enviroment
Majority of the stuff you see in grocery stores is usually stuff caught in Asia and is pretty old and gross by the time you see it on the shelf. I’d say quality gets exponentially worse the closer you get to the Midwest. If you’re close to a city where the stuff was actually caught there’s a huge difference, and the likelihood that it was caught sustainably is much higher.
ASAPCarterMajority of the stuff you see in grocery stores is usually stuff caught in Asia and is pretty old and gross by the time you see it on the shelf. I’d say quality gets exponentially worse the closer you get to the Midwest. If you’re close to a city where the stuff was actually caught there’s a huge difference, and the likelihood that it was caught sustainably is much higher.
ok, i live in coastal bc, but still isn't there a massive bycatch with netfishing?
hud4raptorsok, i live in coastal bc, but still isn't there a massive bycatch with netfishing?
There’s a time and place for it I’d say. I know a guy who gill nets salmon commercially and says there’s very little bycatch and it’s more practical than going at them rod and reel. That’s very different from the purse seiners you see around the coronado islands off tijuana/San Diego. Though they also have minimal bycatch, they tend to scoop up the entire school and frequently go over their annual quota. I know off the SoCal islands there used to be a massive population of white seabass but they got wiped out 40 years ago and are finally starting to come back. I got a ton of respect for the Hawaiian/islander tuna dudes though. They’re fucking gnarly how they go out in lil boats, chainsmoke cigs and just catch tuna on a handline. Any smaller scale commercial guys are super badass in my eyes.
WisconsinDogfartedit:I dont know much about the issue so take my OPINION with a grain of salt.
The american ski industry isnt nearly as much of a climate problem as this bullshit in china
All of that so “woke” people can upgrade to the more environmentally friendly iphone and get the latest funko pop because its “collectible”. The way i see it, we should be holding these nations that produce the most emissions accountable, especially when they dont seem to do anything about it. China produces roughly 1/3 of carbon emissions in the world.
Of course we can and should do our own part to reversing our carbon footprint, but we wont do nearly enough without cooperation from china and the rest of the world.
Next we should get rid of the idea of Consumerism.
Unfortunately, people arent going to commit to fixing the issue until it is too late
**This post was edited on Apr 1st 2021 at 12:57:53am
ehhhhh this is really just a blame game to save Americans from feeling guilty about how shitty our country has been for the environment since its inception. Since 1750 America has almost doubled up the second leading country (China) when it comes to emissions. Sure, China may emit almost twice as much as us at the current point, but they also have over 4 times the population of the US sooo... and China only started emitting more than the US ~15 years ago.
not saying that countries like China aren't problematic. they will 100% continue getting worse in the forthcoming years also.
but at the end of the day consumerism in America is and has always been unparalleled. the truth is that the US has had a worse impact on the environment overall than any other country, and its really not even close. We need to do better, the world needs to do better.
MalcolmstoddartJust keep in mind that measuring a country's emissions is only so helpful. Since globalization is a thing, multinational production is common. Basically, my point is, even if China has higher emissions than the US, that might not account for the production facilities US companies have in China. We are quite interconnected, and although some countries have better regulations than others, country regulations only do so much. If we were to introduce tighter regulations in China, the companies would simply move production to a country with few legal and regulatory barriers. It's a bloody complicated nightmare:(
Cut out meat and never buy new. If the first is too hard just don’t do cows and lamb, it is insane how much they pollute our environment and how much space they need as well. Chicken takes up much less space, healthier, and better proteins.
Thrift anything like clothes, or shop on Depop. Buy used skis and bindings.
but really we can’t do anything cause big corps are the main polluters, they can get away with anything they want as long as the government is paid.
I’m getting into environmental engineering while my gf is becoming a lawyer for the epa, solely to save our winters.
Solar and wind is kinda shit tbh. Without proper maintenance they just get sent to a landfill when they break. Nuclear energy is the future
weastcoastI feel like if the world completely used solar and wind power and planted a fuck Ton of trees and somehow made a hole in the atmosphere to send all the CO2 out we could reverse global warming. Or put a fuck ton of safe particles up in the atmosphere to block the sun out partially and cool the earth off.
