Twin tip race skis

Shit this isn't gear thread. My bad

**This post was edited on Mar 18th 2021 at 8:28:59pm

Salad20Hey guys,
I'm wondering if there are any race skis that are twin tips or just what twin tips are fast in general?
I want to be the fastest on the mountain but gs skis don't look nice.
Right now I'm looking at Head frame walls since they have a race base.
Thanks!

Volkl revolts, and Fischer nightsticks are fast as a bitch but they’re so stiff, it’s like skiing on a 2/4. Had a kid on my race team in a pair of k2 marksman 1/10 wouldn’t recommend

Race aren't really any slicker than other skis. What makes them different is the very stiff flex and side cut that digs super hard. No twin will do that nearly as well as a true race ski. You ski park at all or are you buying a twin cause you think they're cooler. Cause if just want 'cool' go buy a pair of true badass GS rippers and leave trenches on icy days while going speeds that will trigger the flux capacitor.

Line Blades, the best, funnest carving/race ski. End of conversation

dizzydizzyLine Blades, the best, funnest carving/race ski. End of conversation

Could you actually use these as a race ski?

I have magnus 90s and JJs so I bought pair of Atomic S9s. Can't believe I didn't do it sooner. The grip is insane, especially considering what I'm coming from.

Salad20Shit this isn't gear thread. My bad

**This post was edited on Mar 18th 2021 at 8:28:59pm

Say no more fam.

Depending on how strict your gonna characterize”twin tip” , and to me it sounds like you don’t want a twin, you want a round tail

moment commander
b ops holy shred

you really need to consider and define more of what you want, need and like from your ski if you want decent recommendations, such as mount point, terrain/location

Mods I think dolans second accounts has been revealed....
anyways according to Dolan revolt 87 are the fastest most durable twin tip on the market

N f x

dolan would say revolt 87

dizzydizzyLine Blades, the best, funnest carving/race ski. End of conversation

Line blades are definitely not the best/most fun race/carving ski. I can guarantee a fis sl ski is more fun on hard snow than a 95 under foot dad ski.

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MortbrokemyskisLine blades are definitely not the best/most fun race/carving ski. I can guarantee a fis sl ski is more fun on hard snow than a 95 under foot dad ski.

Not true, I've owned both, and I sold my slalom skis when I got Blades. Granted, I live in the PNW, so we dont get much truly bulletproof snow, but the Blade rips an edge just like a slalom ski but without the extremely sketchy hookiness of a race ski. It also has a much more progressive flex than a slalom ski, and you actually benefit from the extra width underfoot in versatility. Basically you can ski it any day you'd want to ski a slalom ski, have just as much fun as you would carving a slalom ski, and still confidently boost side hits

Don't knock it til you try it. I'm not sponsored, I don't get paid to ski this ski...it's just that good. It's literally made for aging newschoolers who want to carve but still send side hits and slarve pow and corn, which I believe is the essence of the question being asked in this thread. Yeah, you won't win an FIS race on these, but I have won a lot of adult beer league races on these against former racers who were on actual race skis, and EVERY time I do, I get multiple folks asking me WTF the ski I'm on is cause they want one

Dylan Siggers showcases the versatility of the ski for side hits, and you can find ample resources showing people carving the absolute pants off of them. Buy your carving skis from a freeski company instead of buying your twin tips from race ski companies, you won't regret it

https://www.instagram.com/p/CMkd9pQnOU1/

maybe a pipe ski? though i guess they're kind of rare. but they're made to be fast and actually hold an edge but they're obv a twin and a park shape

dizzydizzyNot true, I've owned both, and I sold my slalom skis when I got Blades. Granted, I live in the PNW, so we dont get much truly bulletproof snow, but the Blade rips an edge just like a slalom ski but without the extremely sketchy hookiness of a race ski. It also has a much more progressive flex than a slalom ski, and you actually benefit from the extra width underfoot in versatility. Basically you can ski it any day you'd want to ski a slalom ski, have just as much fun as you would carving a slalom ski, and still confidently boost side hits

Don't knock it til you try it. I'm not sponsored, I don't get paid to ski this ski...it's just that good. It's literally made for aging newschoolers who want to carve but still send side hits and slarve pow and corn, which I believe is the essence of the question being asked in this thread. Yeah, you won't win an FIS race on these, but I have won a lot of adult beer league races on these against former racers who were on actual race skis, and EVERY time I do, I get multiple folks asking me WTF the ski I'm on is cause they want one

Dylan Siggers showcases the versatility of the ski for side hits, and you can find ample resources showing people carving the absolute pants off of them. Buy your carving skis from a freeski company instead of buying your twin tips from race ski companies, you won't regret it

https://www.instagram.com/p/CMkd9pQnOU1/

Fair enough, I’m on the east coast and see a lot of ice and I know I only enjoy skiing those days on fis sl skis, even a consumer level race ski doesn’t do the trick. If it’s slushy or powder I’m on my jefferys without a second thought so I don’t really care how my hard snow skis perform in slush or powder. And to be honest the hookiness is why I like fis skis in hard snow/ice.
Op was talking about gs skis, and being the fastest on the mountain though so the blade may have a bit too tight of a turn radius for them as they don’t seem interested in a playful ski but idk.

CT 2.0 2021 (easy 60mph+)
CT 3.0 2021

blackops 98

anders_aCT 2.0 2021 (easy 60mph+)
CT 3.0 2021

blackops 98

Have the candides changed? both of those are soft skis with a lot of rocker. Idk about the blops 98 but it seems to be the same.

Op needs something skinny, stiff, and highly cambered. Pipe skis should be good for this op. Just avoid rails and keep the edges sharp.

Maybe a Fischer nightstick? Moment made those David wise pipe skis that would be perfect if you are able to find some. The atomic punx7 possibly.

Profahoben_212Have the candides changed? both of those are soft skis with a lot of rocker. Idk about the blops 98 but it seems to be the same.

Op needs something skinny, stiff, and highly cambered. Pipe skis should be good for this op. Just avoid rails and keep the edges sharp.

Maybe a Fischer nightstick? Moment made those David wise pipe skis that would be perfect if you are able to find some. The atomic punx7 possibly.

uhm yeah, where have you been sleping this year? :D the CT 2.0 188cm i a camber monster of stiff thingy! 2430 grams iirc for one of my pairs (I bought another) this means also most light riders hate it, its not your entry card to swervegang in park.

it has titanal, and another sheet underfoot near the regular metal edge its CHARGY and STIFF, probably the most chargy and stiff and camberd twintip made to this day.

@Greg_K can write the more fancy details.

anders_auhm yeah, where have you been sleping this year? :D the CT 2.0 188cm i a camber monster of stiff thingy! 2430 grams iirc for one of my pairs (I bought another) this means also most light riders hate it, its not your entry card to swervegang in park.

it has titanal, and another sheet underfoot near the regular metal edge its CHARGY and STIFF, probably the most chargy and stiff and camberd twintip made to this day.

@Greg_K can write the more fancy details.

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The CT 2.0 has only 3mm of camber, and a lot of rocker. The 3.0 also only has 3mm camber and even more rocker. There is a tiny amount of titanal in the mount zone, but it doesn't run the full length at all. Its simply a binding reinforcement. The core on the 2.0 is poplar/beech. 3.0 is Paulownia and poplar. It is well known for being a very light and fun ski.


It is absolutely not the most chargy and stiff twin made to this day. Its not even close. but they are fun skis.

Profahoben_212?

The CT 2.0 has only 3mm of camber, and a lot of rocker. The 3.0 also only has 3mm camber and even more rocker. There is a tiny amount of titanal in the mount zone, but it doesn't run the full length at all. Its simply a binding reinforcement. The core on the 2.0 is poplar/beech. 3.0 is Paulownia and poplar. It is well known for being a very light and fun ski.


It is absolutely not the most chargy and stiff twin made to this day. Its not even close. but they are fun skis.

Ill grab some pics but new I measured more than 10mm camber, I think I even posted some pics somewhere here , are you thinking of 2019, 2020 or 2021? they changed it again for 2022 on 2.0

the 2020 and 2021 3.0 had same shape, but different cores, and weight went up

camber has gone down with use, but more than 3mm

anders_acamber has gone down with use, but more than 3mm

Wow! Thats a ton more than is stated on their website. And a lot more than I've seen in previous seasons!.....Awesome stuff. Have you rode any of the previous years for comparison?

Profahoben_212Wow! Thats a ton more than is stated on their website. And a lot more than I've seen in previous seasons!.....Awesome stuff. Have you rode any of the previous years for comparison?

I currently own 2 pairs of 2020 CT 1.0' 188cm, had to buy a spare as they cut the adult sizes for 2021 in 1.0. I also own the 2019,2020 and 2021 CT 3.0. I have 2 pairs of the 188cm CT 2.0 2021, because I doubt they will make anything as stiff, heavy and chargy in a twintip ever again. + CT 5.0 + I have a ton of prodigy series and stuff I forget + older skis. I spent 10? days on the CT 2.0 2020 as well, I liked it quite a lot. Honestly the 2020 and 2021 CT 2.0 just are not anything alike, other than name.

the 2021 Candide skis are for the guys that likes to hit 55-60 on the regular. and go fast, like candide, its not for swerveslow.

I had stupid fun pretending to be candide on the 3.0s' just straightlineing and jumping moguls/bumps instead of doing it correctly.

I think @Greg_K has datalogs of carving the new 2.0 2021's at 55-60 ?

Actually owned 2 pairs of Framewalls as well as 2 pairs of Revolt 87 when they were called The Wall. Both are stiffer comp/pipe park skis with fast bases(both have race bases), long turning radius so they are KINDA like twin tip gs skis with the Revolt being a symmetrical twin. The Framewall only available up to 181cm but the revolt 87 goes to 185cm. The revolt would be heavier and damper but the framewall is pretty damp for it’s weight. Nfx, nightsticks also similar skis that rip on hard snow. If you ski mostly harder snow, I’d pick from one of the above.

When the snow gets rough in the afternoon or you ski softer snow, then skis like the new 2021 Candide 1.0 and 2.0 come into play. The 1.0 would still grip hard snow pretty well but handle soft snow and crud better than all the above skis. The 2.0 is wider and even better in rough terrain but is still a shockingly good carver. Have mine in the 50-60mph range daily without issue.

My 2.0 have similar camber to @anders_a skis and they(and 1.0) have and titanal sheet below binding area and above the base area along with rubber tip/tail and underfoot for dampening.The 2.0 has the exact same weight and flex pattern as a Bonafide 97 now with my 183cm weighing 2285grams each(2020 2.0 in the 1850 range). Run mine sharp tip/tail with 1/3 tune and with it’s lack of taper they grip very well even on hard snow. Not super quick edge to edge as they are 102mm underfoot and 20m radius.

The 3.0 is now even stiffer tip/tail vs the 2020 version(or any of the 108mm versions) and it’s now only poplar wood and it went from 1850grams to around 2200grams in the 184cm. More rocker than the 2.0 but with it’s taper being fairly small, it has great grip too even with it being 112mm underfoot. More tip/tail splay and a tip slope that’s very smooth so it flies over everything. You really ski aggressively with the 2.0 and especially the 3.0 as you know the ski will handle it. I often go over crests of hill that may be bumpy with speed as they are so confidence inspiring. 3.0 you feel like you can ski over mogul fields at speed like Candide! Lol

Between the frame walls and the revolts which one would you say is faster?

Greg_KActually owned 2 pairs of Framewalls as well as 2 pairs of Revolt 87 when they were called The Wall. Both are stiffer comp/pipe park skis with fast bases(both have race bases), long turning radius so they are KINDA like twin tip gs skis with the Revolt being a symmetrical twin. The Framewall only available up to 181cm but the revolt 87 goes to 185cm. The revolt would be heavier and damper but the framewall is pretty damp for it’s weight. Nfx, nightsticks also similar skis that rip on hard snow. If you ski mostly harder snow, I’d pick from one of the above.

When the snow gets rough in the afternoon or you ski softer snow, then skis like the new 2021 Candide 1.0 and 2.0 come into play. The 1.0 would still grip hard snow pretty well but handle soft snow and crud better than all the above skis. The 2.0 is wider and even better in rough terrain but is still a shockingly good carver. Have mine in the 50-60mph range daily without issue.

My 2.0 have similar camber to @anders_a skis and they(and 1.0) have and titanal sheet below binding area and above the base area along with rubber tip/tail and underfoot for dampening.The 2.0 has the exact same weight and flex pattern as a Bonafide 97 now with my 183cm weighing 2285grams each(2020 2.0 in the 1850 range). Run mine sharp tip/tail with 1/3 tune and with it’s lack of taper they grip very well even on hard snow. Not super quick edge to edge as they are 102mm underfoot and 20m radius.

The 3.0 is now even stiffer tip/tail vs the 2020 version(or any of the 108mm versions) and it’s now only poplar wood and it went from 1850grams to around 2200grams in the 184cm. More rocker than the 2.0 but with it’s taper being fairly small, it has great grip too even with it being 112mm underfoot. More tip/tail splay and a tip slope that’s very smooth so it flies over everything. You really ski aggressively with the 2.0 and especially the 3.0 as you know the ski will handle it. I often go over crests of hill that may be bumpy with speed as they are so confidence inspiring. 3.0 you feel like you can ski over mogul fields at speed like Candide! Lol

Salad20Between the frame walls and the revolts which one would you say is faster?

Both have fast gliding bases and structures but the longer length 185cm revolt is maybe a hair more stable with it’s longer turning radius and heavier weight.