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Why can’t kids hit urban rails?

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WoFlowz
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My whole mtns slope team is out here talking shit when non of them can hit an urban rail I need a somewhat logical explanation as to why they can’t hit an urban rail
Mar 13 2021 6:42AM
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hi_vis360
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I see a lot of young guys just hiking the same tiny sticky flat tube all day trying to learn as many switch up combos as possible.

That's cool and they can ski however they want but it's terrible training for hitting street rails that are steep and you have to lean forward and be comfortable sliding on rails fast. In my experience even on a mellow 10 or 12 stair rail you're moving pretty quick when you get to the bottom.

Learn to do rails fast kids, nobody cares that you did 3 switch ups on a 10 foot flat tube 6 inches off the ground
Mar 13 2021 7:01AM
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WoFlowz
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pinkcamo1000I see a lot of young guys just hiking the same tiny sticky flat tube all day trying to learn as many switch up combos as possible.

That's cool and they can ski however they want but it's terrible training for hitting street rails that are steep and you have to lean forward and be comfortable sliding on rails fast. In my experience even on a mellow 10 or 12 stair rail you're moving pretty quick when you get to the bottom.

Learn to do rails fast kids, nobody cares that you did 3 switch ups on a 10 foot flat tube 6 inches off the ground


It’s the same thing but they can’t even hit a rail that’s “urban” at the mtn 🤦🏼It’s like maybe a 6 inch urban on our biggest
Mar 13 2021 7:06AM
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armchair_skier
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change my mind:

claiming a trick on a fat tube is like claiming a trick to resi/airbag
Mar 13 2021 6:39PM
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ReturnToMonkey
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I don't really care that much about doing tricks on rails. I mean now that I can do some I try to do 2s out at least 50% of the time but I consider it more fun to try challenging rails, such as this one double elbow at my mountain. I love when they switch the rail layup around because now there's new lines available and challenges to try. The feeling of sliding a rail all the way through is really satisfying, and that's multiplied by how hard the rail it. Why bother getting frustrated falling off over and over when trying spins and swaps on simple rails when you can just cleanly slide more of the crazy rails
Mar 13 2021 7:09PM
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WoFlowz
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armchair_skierchange my mind:

claiming a trick on a fat tube is like claiming a trick to resi/airbag


Never thought of it this way but I agree especially when it’s like 2ft wide and dug in so it’s like 6inches off the ground
Mar 13 2021 7:13PM
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TOAST.
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armchair_skierchange my mind:

claiming a trick on a fat tube is like claiming a trick to resi/airbag


I think the resi comparison is good not the airbag since you cant ride away.
Anyway, I love my tubes, frick doing tricks on single barrels.
Mar 13 2021 7:55PM
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lilnoid666
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armchair_skierchange my mind:

claiming a trick on a fat tube is like claiming a trick to resi/airbag


sort of agree but if the tube is really elevated and you gotta pop onto it the trick is a little more dope
Mar 13 2021 8:16PM
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lilnoid666
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WoFlowzNever thought of it this way but I agree especially when it’s like 2ft wide and dug in so it’s like 6inches off the ground


its more like a box that has mad coping
Mar 13 2021 8:17PM
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jompcock
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sams15its more like a box that has mad coping


Hot take?: Boxes are harder than tubes and most rails, at least for swaps and spins out.
Mar 13 2021 10:01PM
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armchair_skier
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TOAST.I think the resi comparison is good not the airbag since you cant ride away.
Anyway, I love my tubes, frick doing tricks on single barrels.


I meant like the airbags that are on a slope that you can ride away on. They are pretty popular in biking recently.
Mar 13 2021 10:04PM
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lilnoid666
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jompcockHot take?: Boxes are harder than tubes and most rails, at least for swaps and spins out.


I think you might be on to something. For super-wide boxes, I agree
Mar 13 2021 10:27PM
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mitchey
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jompcockHot take?: Boxes are harder than tubes and most rails, at least for swaps and spins out.


This is very true. Hard to grip and they rarely slide as smoothly
Mar 13 2021 10:37PM
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ASAPCarter
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jompcockHot take?: Boxes are harder than tubes and most rails, at least for swaps and spins out.


Yeah I agree boxes are kinda annoying. It’s harder to do any pedaling and they’re always sticky as fuck. I used to be scared of anything round but now it’s the opposite... I hate boxes and only hit flat bars on occasion so idk lol
Mar 13 2021 10:37PM
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-Dan
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The thing that can really fuck me up at a Street spot is the fact that at the bottom of a handrail (stair case) it’s flat ground. Vs at the mtn the end of a rail continues with more downhill. Wayyyyyy less time to get a blind 2 around in the streets.
Mar 13 2021 10:56PM
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Dan-Man
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The thing about urban is, it is about as accessible as wake boarding. the amount of effort it takes to find, setup, and actually do a urban grinding pole is extensive. I mean, u need snow, a ramp, probably a truck to transport the ramp, a filmer, shitty skis you don't care about fuking up, and a spot where u can be at for 3 hours without offending anyone.
Mar 14 2021 8:46PM
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WoFlowz
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Dan-ManThe thing about urban is, it is about as accessible as wake boarding. the amount of effort it takes to find, setup, and actually do a urban grinding pole is extensive. I mean, u need snow, a ramp, probably a truck to transport the ramp, a filmer, shitty skis you don't care about fuking up, and a spot where u can be at for 3 hours without offending anyone.


I meant urban style rail I shoulda specified this but yes I also have been trying small urban things gotta find some beater skis tho I wanna film some stuff next year and not just hit picnic tables and benches. But yeah these kids that talk shit can’t do either. Idk is hitting “urban” style rails harder? That’s just the way I learned to hit park rails
Mar 14 2021 9:14PM
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-Dan
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WoFlowzI meant urban style rail I shoulda specified this but yes I also have been trying small urban things gotta find some beater skis tho I wanna film some stuff next year and not just hit picnic tables and benches. But yeah these kids that talk shit can’t do either. Idk is hitting “urban” style rails harder? That’s just the way I learned to hit park rails

“Urban” as in not ride on? Yeah ride on features are for like the beginner parks or the huge kickers on to rails you see at park city lol.

For me, committing to learning to slide rails that weren’t ride on was frustrating. Like regressing from being able to do some tricks to not even being able to get on rails. So I imagine if you stay on that path and have a bag of tricks then it’s even worse of a feeling when you can’t get to the end of a down rail. They will take the time to learn eventually
Mar 14 2021 9:43PM
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WoFlowz
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-Dan“Urban” as in not ride on? Yeah ride on features are for like the beginner parks or the huge kickers on to rails you see at park city lol.

For me, committing to learning to slide rails that weren’t ride on was frustrating. Like regressing from being able to do some tricks to not even being able to get on rails. So I imagine if you stay on that path and have a bag of tricks then it’s even worse of a feeling when you can’t get to the end of a down rail. They will take the time to learn eventually


That does make sense why they give me crap for just skiing differently and being able to hit “urban” or non ride in rails. Ik it can’t feel good to be able to super fed a tube but not be able to hit a flat bar cause It’s not ride on.
Mar 14 2021 9:47PM
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-Dan
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WoFlowzThat does make sense why they give me crap for just skiing differently and being able to hit “urban” or non ride in rails. Ik it can’t feel good to be able to super fed a tube but not be able to hit a flat bar cause It’s not ride on.

Kinda like bothering to learn tricks both ways. Why get broke off on this dfd with the wrong foot forward when I can lace 2pretz2 with my good foot. It’s just how people choose to progress, challenge themselves, and feel good on the mtn. Sorry they are being shitty, just pay them no mind and keep doing the skiing you enjoy.
Mar 14 2021 9:56PM
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Mattbrippin
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pinkcamo1000I see a lot of young guys just hiking the same tiny sticky flat tube all day trying to learn as many switch up combos as possible.

That's cool and they can ski however they want but it's terrible training for hitting street rails that are steep and you have to lean forward and be comfortable sliding on rails fast. In my experience even on a mellow 10 or 12 stair rail you're moving pretty quick when you get to the bottom.

Learn to do rails fast kids, nobody cares that you did 3 switch ups on a 10 foot flat tube 6 inches off the ground


He just spoke the gospel
Mar 16 2021 9:19AM
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freestyler540
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Here a few reasons:
- You have to build your setup. Kids these days cant even shovel a walking path before they are exhausted
- Crashing really hurts... and you will crash at least once a session
- You wreck your gear and some kids dont have funding to replace gear.
- No time / no friends. Its tough to get people together to do urban and build a cool session. Sessionning alone kinda suck
Mar 16 2021 10:11AM
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WoFlowz
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freestyler540Here a few reasons:
- You have to build your setup. Kids these days cant even shovel a walking path before they are exhausted
- Crashing really hurts... and you will crash at least once a session
- You wreck your gear and some kids dont have funding to replace gear.
- No time / no friends. Its tough to get people together to do urban and build a cool session. Sessionning alone kinda suck


I shoulda specified urban style or non ride on rails but yes they also hate my picnic table jibbing cause I don’t have friends willing to build street spots
Mar 16 2021 10:12AM
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BradFiAusNzCoCa
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Them kids in Florida saying the same thing about skiing
Dan-ManThe thing about urban is, it is about as accessible as wake boarding. the amount of effort it takes to find, setup, and actually do a urban grinding pole is extensive. I mean, u need snow, a ramp, probably a truck to transport the ramp, a filmer, shitty skis you don't care about fuking up, and a spot where u can be at for 3 hours without offending anyone.
Mar 16 2021 11:53AM
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