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Volkl revolts 104 or canidade 2.0

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muffMan.
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Both skis come in 188 length which works nice for me being taller.

I was going with the revolt 104 but a deal for some canidades came up locally around me.


pros and cons of each for whoever knows would be greatly appreciated
Mar 4 2021 7:38PM
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dolanslebensraum
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My brothers got the 104s and he loves em.
Mar 4 2021 7:44PM
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BradFiAusNzCoCa
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The revolt 104 graphics are so sick and people seem to love them. That would be my choice. Easy.
Mar 5 2021 3:06AM
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LukeTheWaffle
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ive skied both, provided the 2.0 is a 2021 model

the revolt 104 is softer and more playful, the candide is stiffer but more powerful, both are great skis. the 2s carve a bit better because the 104s have more taper
Mar 5 2021 3:24AM
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anders_a
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I have both the revolt 104 and CT 2.0 in 2021 models they are NOT compareable at all, for such similar skis they are worlds apart

revolt 104 is mild camber, thenrockerd, medium stiff and superlight, very playfull, but stiff enough to land stuff

CT 2.0 2021 is stiff, TONS of camber, almost no early rise or rocker, and a goot what 450grams per ski heavier, also metal, its one of the stiffest twins or probably THE stiffest twintip I have ever came across. I bought a 2nd pair on sale yesterday, because I doubt they will make a ski like this again beeing this stiff, damp, heavy
Mar 5 2021 4:01AM
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muffMan.
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Nice man thank you. Definitely looking for more soft to mess around with and I have my chargers on diff days
anders_aI have both the revolt 104 and CT 2.0 in 2021 models they are NOT compareable at all, for such similar skis they are worlds apart

revolt 104 is mild camber, thenrockerd, medium stiff and superlight, very playfull, but stiff enough to land stuff

CT 2.0 2021 is stiff, TONS of camber, almost no early rise or rocker, and a goot what 450grams per ski heavier, also metal, its one of the stiffest twins or probably THE stiffest twintip I have ever came across. I bought a 2nd pair on sale yesterday, because I doubt they will make a ski like this again beeing this stiff, damp, heavy
Mar 5 2021 2:20PM
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anders_a
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there are some INSANE dealss on the revolt 104 here, like 300USD WITH our 25% tax now.

not sure the US will see them?
Mar 5 2021 3:18PM
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anders_a
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the revolt 104 feels soft & playfull, but is quite stiff when you land shitty and do stuff, the rocker just makes it feels nice, doing slow nosebutter or nosemanuals are fuuun
Mar 5 2021 3:19PM
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BradFiAusNzCoCa
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Cheapest I’ve seen is like 350€ and US is usually not as cheap with völkl (from what I’ve observed) so probably not
anders_athere are some INSANE dealss on the revolt 104 here, like 300USD WITH our 25% tax now.

not sure the US will see them?
Mar 5 2021 4:26PM
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.nasty
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The revolt 104 is so friggin' good. I could say more but heck, just get it and you'll see!
Mar 5 2021 4:50PM
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muffMan.
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Nah I haven’t seen them? Where were they at?
anders_athere are some INSANE dealss on the revolt 104 here, like 300USD WITH our 25% tax now.

not sure the US will see them?
Mar 5 2021 5:14PM
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anders_a
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a big chain of stores(highend store chain, the good kind) has them for $336 here locally

(antonsport) not sure they ship to US though, doubt it.
Mar 5 2021 5:17PM
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anders_a
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sport bittls ships intl

https://www.sport-bittl.com/en/voelkl-revolt-104-20-21::181234_1_1527.html


should be like 377USD + shipping ish at checkout, when EU VAT is removed.
Mar 5 2021 5:19PM
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BradFiAusNzCoCa
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I’ve bought all of my ski stuff in Europe from sport Bittl. They literally will undercut their competitors by 1€ (lol) but then you add in free shipping and it’s a no brainer. I can’t say enough good things about sport Bittl.

Edit to say they use UPS and their shipping is really good. Plus, they list all shipping prices on their website by country.
anders_asport bittls ships intl

https://www.sport-bittl.com/en/voelkl-revolt-104-20-21::181234_1_1527.html


should be like 377USD + shipping ish at checkout, when EU VAT is removed.


**This post was edited on Mar 5th 2021 at 6:25:32pm
Mar 5 2021 6:23PM
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BradFiAusNzCoCa
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I got too excited with Anders comment. I just realized they only ship in Europe. Disregard Sport Bittl. Wish we had them in USA though
BradFiAusNzCoCaI’ve bought all of my ski stuff in Europe from sport Bittl. They literally will undercut their competitors by 1€ (lol) but then you add in free shipping and it’s a no brainer. I can’t say enough good things about sport Bittl.

Edit to say they use UPS and their shipping is really good. Plus, they list all shipping prices on their website by country.


**This post was edited on Mar 5th 2021 at 6:25:32pm
Mar 5 2021 6:28PM
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Greg_K
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Just looked at Corbetts and they still have the 180cm Revolt 104 on for $454.99 CAN/about $360 US with free delivery but no 188cm left.

**This post was edited on Mar 5th 2021 at 8:16:31pm
Mar 5 2021 8:15PM
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Darc
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anders_aI have both the revolt 104 and CT 2.0 in 2021 models they are NOT compareable at all, for such similar skis they are worlds apart

revolt 104 is mild camber, thenrockerd, medium stiff and superlight, very playfull, but stiff enough to land stuff

CT 2.0 2021 is stiff, TONS of camber, almost no early rise or rocker, and a goot what 450grams per ski heavier, also metal, its one of the stiffest twins or probably THE stiffest twintip I have ever came across. I bought a 2nd pair on sale yesterday, because I doubt they will make a ski like this again beeing this stiff, damp, heavy


A bit of a thread jacking but i have the old 2.0 and got a new 2021 2.0 as a warranty. I'm keen to keep the old 2 setup as a soft/rock ski till it dies 100%. I was looking for something that holds edge a bit better than the old 2.0. What's your thoughts on the new 2.0 carving wise, sounds like it should be pretty stable with the camber and stiffness? Keen for something to lay some turns/hold an edge well and charge around in NZ since its usually rather firm everywhere. (i wouldn't detune the new pair)
Mar 7 2021 6:25PM
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Greg_K
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DarcA bit of a thread jacking but i have the old 2.0 and got a new 2021 2.0 as a warranty. I'm keen to keep the old 2 setup as a soft/rock ski till it dies 100%. I was looking for something that holds edge a bit better than the old 2.0. What's your thoughts on the new 2.0 carving wise, sounds like it should be pretty stable with the camber and stiffness? Keen for something to lay some turns/hold an edge well and charge around in NZ since its usually rather firm everywhere. (i wouldn't detune the new pair)

Have my 2021 2.0 mounted 1.5cm behind Candide line as I like to drive my skis and it’s perfect. I’m shocked by the edge grip and carving ability of the new 2.0. Very similar to flat tailed skis in my quiver for edge grip but the 2.0 are easier to pivot. Super stable at high speeds while still being more forgiving than a typical charger. Very damp and quiet on harder snow and loves afternoon crud.

So impressed with the 2021 2.0 that I now have the 2021 3.0 too. Most impressive and surprising skis I’ve skied in the last few years.
Mar 7 2021 8:48PM
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mc36000
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anders_aI have both the revolt 104 and CT 2.0 in 2021 models they are NOT compareable at all, for such similar skis they are worlds apart

revolt 104 is mild camber, thenrockerd, medium stiff and superlight, very playfull, but stiff enough to land stuff

CT 2.0 2021 is stiff, TONS of camber, almost no early rise or rocker, and a goot what 450grams per ski heavier, also metal, its one of the stiffest twins or probably THE stiffest twintip I have ever came across. I bought a 2nd pair on sale yesterday, because I doubt they will make a ski like this again beeing this stiff, damp, heavy


Are we talking about the same Candides here? While still relatively stiff underfoot, this ski absolutely does not have metal in it, and the last word I would use to describe them is damp. I have a pair of 186cm 3.0s from two years ago, and I would describe them as springy and playful, but get easily tossed around by any sort of bumps or chop. Relative to dedicated park skis, this ski is harder to butter and probably a little heavy, but in my mind the added pop and stable landing platform outweigh the downsides.

Remember, Candide doesn't swerve around the park at low speeds.
Mar 7 2021 9:50PM
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Greg_K
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mc36000Are we talking about the same Candides here? While still relatively stiff underfoot, this ski absolutely does not have metal in it, and the last word I would use to describe them is damp. I have a pair of 186cm 3.0s from two years ago, and I would describe them as springy and playful, but get easily tossed around by any sort of bumps or chop. Relative to dedicated park skis, this ski is harder to butter and probably a little heavy, but in my mind the added pop and stable landing platform outweigh the downsides.

Remember, Candide doesn't swerve around the park at low speeds.

2021 1.0 and 2.0 have metal under the binding area for binding retention and then another sheet above the base for rail abuse underfoot. Weight and stiffness on these 2 has gone up significantly and they charge more than before.

2021 3.0 has metal underfoot for binding retention and the tip/tail stiffer than the previous versions, so very uniform flex now tip to tail and weight up about 200-300 grams with a heavier wood core.

Now all Factions are made in the Fisher factory so build quality way better now too. The 2021 Candides are very stable, playful chargers that absolutely rip through crud and tracked out powder now. You find yourself charging like Candide all over the mountain with them!
Mar 7 2021 10:29PM
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WilliamsAnderson
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I bought a bike and a helmet on sport-bittl, they are of excellent quality. And a pair of hiking shoes on this site, quite comfortable.
Mar 7 2021 10:48PM
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anders_a
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mc36000Are we talking about the same Candides here? While still relatively stiff underfoot, this ski absolutely does not have metal in it, and the last word I would use to describe them is damp. I have a pair of 186cm 3.0s from two years ago, and I would describe them as springy and playful, but get easily tossed around by any sort of bumps or chop. Relative to dedicated park skis, this ski is harder to butter and probably a little heavy, but in my mind the added pop and stable landing platform outweigh the downsides.

Remember, Candide doesn't swerve around the park at low speeds.

soo +1 on what @Greg_K said ;) and adding

I own multiple years of Faction Canides, for the 3.0 I own the 19, 20 and 21, all different skis. it went 108mm, 112mm superlight, then 112mm beefy, the 2021 CT 3.0 is stupid fun to lay trenches on and just "hoon" around at high speed like candide. I straightlined a few minor mogul fields on them recently, and just jumping from bump to bump, instead of turning, then laying some carves, jumping natural features/rollers. For me beeing a bigger guy the 2021 lets me do surpiingly highspeed stuff on them, I was hitting 55-60mph at times.

the 2020 is a lighter 2021, and the 2019 is different all together, still very fun! just different. 2021 goes to 11.
Mar 8 2021 4:38AM
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anders_a
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DarcA bit of a thread jacking but i have the old 2.0 and got a new 2021 2.0 as a warranty. I'm keen to keep the old 2 setup as a soft/rock ski till it dies 100%. I was looking for something that holds edge a bit better than the old 2.0. What's your thoughts on the new 2.0 carving wise, sounds like it should be pretty stable with the camber and stiffness? Keen for something to lay some turns/hold an edge well and charge around in NZ since its usually rather firm everywhere. (i wouldn't detune the new pair)


again +1 on what @Greg_K said, I have mine mounted on the suggested line which is what -1,5? -2,5 ? from true center, which is very far forward, but it still let me high high speed carves. The stock tune was a bit off, as was base, so will be testing them more now.



I liked them so much I bought a pair #2, of 188cm as it was on sale locally, I doubt they will make something so stiff & heavy & chargy & awesome again as all the small lighter non chargy/non fast people dont like the ski.

pair number 2 is going to be mounted -1,5 back again like greg did
Mar 8 2021 4:42AM
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