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I'm 6'3" and over 200 lbs on a full stomach. I like to think that I charge pretty hard on variable terrain, but I only have my dins at like an 11 (depending on the ski) and have never released unnecessarily. Who are these people rocking dins in the high 'teens? Who actually needs a binding like the pivot 18 other than like Duncan Adams? If you're one of these people, enlighten me please.
don't concern yourself with what people on here say they run their DINs at, they can decide for their legs and you can decide for your legs
people are crazy with DIN, back in the day growing up as an east coast park skier i met a shocking number of (young, small) people who were maxing their DINs out. the thought process was as simple as "i'm the shit and i go big, i don't want these things coming off pretty much ever [and i'm young so i'm not good at weighing the possible benefits and risks]"
if you're getting good results with your DIN number, GREAT! keep it! NS's advice will always be longer skis, higher DINs, and fuckin full tilts lol, doesn't mean it's always good advice
my pivot 18s are so broken that they don't even release anyway so I just crank them on the off chance that they'd actually work and accidentally prerelease or something
haha yeah I totally agree with this. I have a friend who prides himself in locking the dins out all the way on his 14's. he is a heavy guy and goes big though.
Versus I am only 150lbs and rock my dins at 8 usually and don't have issues
I've always wanted the metal toe but could never pull the trigger because I rock a solid 7.5 DIN. That's exactly why they came out with the pivot 15 with a metal toe this year, might have to cop
wanted the 15s as well, usually run the pivot 12s at 7-8, but Ive blown up one toe piece skiing on them so far and wanted to switch up to the metal. had a tech tell me I shouldnt do the 15s if my din is 7-8 but ive also read as long as its within the range listed youre good. anyone care to chime in.
SofaKingSickif you're getting good results with your DIN number, GREAT! keep it! NS's advice will always be longer skis, higher DINs, and fuckin full tilts lol, doesn't mean it's always good advice
Even as the person who made this thread, I wholeheartedly support the other two suggestions lol. But that's good advice: to each their own.
Dangler_DangerI'm 6'3" and over 200 lbs on a full stomach. I like to think that I charge pretty hard on variable terrain, but I only have my dins at like an 11 (depending on the ski) and have never released unnecessarily. Who are these people rocking dins in the high 'teens? Who actually needs a binding like the pivot 18 other than like Duncan Adams? If you're one of these people, enlighten me please.
nobody knows how BSL or a properly setup binding affects DIN here, just setup a poor AFD/forward pressure, and you can slip out of that DIN 18, at DIN18 supereasy!
but some of the really big senders landing huuuuuuuuuuge stuff switch and maybe not perfectly needs it, actually just doing grabs hard can also require bumping dins. and of course worldcup level skiiers at 120-150kmh doing weird stuff. DIN so high your shin breaks before ski goes off.
PaulBietermanwanted the 15s as well, usually run the pivot 12s at 7-8, but Ive blown up one toe piece skiing on them so far and wanted to switch up to the metal. had a tech tell me I shouldnt do the 15s if my din is 7-8 but ive also read as long as its within the range listed youre good. anyone care to chime in.
I have my din set at 8 or 8.5 on all my skis, I have an old pair of fks 155s (pivot 15), new 15s, and 18s on my pow skis.
my skis never come off but that's just cause I'm fucking sick at skiing and don't fall
Im 6'3 and 242lbs, I've skied since I was a tiny kid and ski fairly aggressive
my buddy is 5'8, 200lbs, but he has tiny ass feet, skies a 26 shell which is what, 309mm, he is less agressive than me and much slower
to get same release in same binding when properly setup, he requires the same DIN as me for frontside up to 60mph skiiing with fairly high G carves.
improperly setup forward pressure/and AFD you can bump the DINS from say 10, to 16, it will still release when it shouldnt, it fucks your elastisity in the binding etc. So a properly setup DIN10 will be more locked in, than an improperly set same binding, set to 16.
To test bindings I like to just to a quick noseblock
I ride at 12. I’m 5’11 and 168. I rode at 8 until I started hitting big jumps and doing nose butters. High speed butters will really show you when your fins are too low. I have also had both ACLs need rehab (luckily no full tears) so take what I say with caution.
I ride pivot 18s for 2 reasons: 1 theyre metal and I have broken way too many plastic bindings. 2 all bindings are meant to be ridden in the middle of their range ideally.
dietcoke.manmy pivot 18s are so broken that they don't even release anyway so I just crank them on the off chance that they'd actually work and accidentally prerelease or something
i am 5'3 120lbs, type 3 skier, can rock with the blues with some black diamonds mixed in. I set my din exclusively at 18+, just like the women i have consensual sex with. Anyways, I digress. 18+, you say, how?! I actually keep turning the din screw with a power drill until it is really maxed out. I've never ejected once in my life as my body become one with my pivots.
**This post was edited on Mar 4th 2021 at 8:07:03pm
TRVP_ANGELi am 5'3 120lbs, type 3 skier, can rock with the blues with some black diamonds mixed in. I set my din exclusively at 18+. 18+ you say, how?! I actually keep turning the din screw with a power drill until it is really maxed out. I've never ejected once in my life as my body become one with my pivots.
I ride my pivot 12 at 9 din. I think on pivots you can get away with riding much lower dins than other bindings if the forward pressure is set up correct.
I've been called "Aushwitz level skinny" but I always forget just how little I weigh until I visit a gear guide and see that 10 is considered the minimum by many. I rock 8s and have never once had a problem.
Bindings work most reliably in the middle of their din range so if you have pivot 18s you aren't meant to ski them at din 18.
Folks with pivot 18s should ideally be skiing them at a 13 din which is honestly plenty.
That's why I rock my pivot 15s at 11, right in the middle of their 6-15 range.
BSL plays a role too but if you're looking for new bindos just think about which ones allow for you to fall right in the middle using your desired din.
Sidenote about 15s vs 14s.
14s = more surfy/ better snow feel and flex for catching tranny (14s got more elasticity and you can feel it)
15s = powerhouses. wayyyy more damp and they just feel SOLID
**This post was edited on Mar 4th 2021 at 7:39:02pm
MastePoleWhackerfacts these high din bindings are so unnecessary for most of the people who buy them. I got STH13s and thats plenty
I know. I was looking on Evo recently and saw that they bumped the Duke from a 16 Din to an 18 din. It’s like are you really accommodating anyone besides like a handful of the hardest charging skiers in the world, or did you just want to one up your competitors because you figured out a way to do it?
I ride my pivot 12 at 9 din. I think on pivots you can get away with riding much lower dins than other bindings if the forward pressure is set up correct.
To put it simply, first is that a lot of people don't really care that much, and second, the high-DIN bindings tend to be built sturdier, higher quality, and last longer, and more people than you'd think run 18 DIN bindings as low as 8.
*Paragraph ranting about ski bindings and how much they suck at protecting from ACL tears*
To be fair, ski bindings are systemically flawed when it comes to ACL ruptures, so people who crank DIN's *almost* kinda have a point. You can blow a knee at virtually any DIN setting, its just more likely at the higher ones. DIN/ISO standards regulate release values to protect against tib/fib fractures; when these standards where written, they were the most common ski injury, with ACL ruptures being a somewhat rare event. As better equipment helped us ski faster and bigger, and with other injuries not as common anymore, ACL tears became more prevalent. To protect against ACL ruptures, you need a lateral heel release. As it is a difficult problem to solve technically, and there is no requirement to do so, bindings do nothing about this (with the exception of knee bindings, which aren't DIN/ISO certified and pre-release). If you look at your top of the line Marker Jester Pro's or Tyrolia's, the heel *might* come out laterally if you get lucky and the plastic heel pushes out of the heel cup by pushing the binding heel piece backwards against the forward pressure, but isn't really the way the bindings are designed. On a Pivot, you have even less luck, with the side-lugs that hold the binding heel piece physically blocking the boot heel from coming out laterally. This isn't a knock on Pivots, they're solid bindings, and have advantages over Markers for instance (toe pieces last longer), I'm just saying the rumor you hear sometimes about Pivots being better for your ACL's is total BS.
As far as the argument to "run a binding in the middle of its DIN range", I have not heard a single argument for why, other than "Its designed for it". My guess is that you want your retention to come more from spring stiffness and elastic travel than spring preload, (you cant change spring stiffness, but you can add preload to increase DIN setting), but that is a guess, and only explains why you don't want to max the DINS, not why you shouldn't run them super low in the range. If anyone has a legitimate technical explanation, I'd love to hear it.
In summary I don't think you should crank your DINs too high, but I do think there are legitimate reasons to get higher DIN bindings that are built better (within reason). If you run an 11, I'm not aware of any downsides of getting a 6-16 or even an 8-18 binding.
I'm pretty small at 5'6" 120lbs and i have my p14's set at 8. I can still pop out when i really need to and my forward pressure and everything is set correctly
**This post was edited on Mar 5th 2021 at 12:41:26pm
IsaacNW82DIN/ISO standards regulate release values to protect against tib/fib fractures; when these standards where written, they were the most common ski injury, with ACL ruptures being a somewhat rare event.
On a Pivot, you have even less luck, with the side-lugs that hold the binding heel piece physically blocking the boot heel from coming out laterally. This isn't a knock on Pivots, they're solid bindings, and have advantages over Markers for instance (toe pieces last longer), I'm just saying the rumor you hear sometimes about Pivots being better for your ACL's is total BS.
Don't disagree with your overall points, just a few things:
As someone whose fractured their tibia from a binding not releasing, those standards do make sense, especially if, according to your argument, most bindings do nothing to prevent ACL tears anyway. Might be more on the consumers for not realizing the limitations of bindings.
Also, I may not understand the definition of "lateral," but isn't that the entire point of Pivots? My heel has released sideways out of my binding before.
I run my pow skis at 11.5 din but my park/all mountain skis are at a 9 din. Unless I have a full on crash at speed with my pow skis, I honestly don’t want my pow skis to come off. I’ve had several instances where I hit rocks hidden under fresh powder where the ski coming off caused/would’ve caused me to get into a pretty sketchy situation. Building knee and leg strength helps to deter leg injuries too, not that you should use that as an excuse to run high din....IMO high din is really only worth it in high risk situations with hidden factors (rocks under snow)
Dangler_DangerI'm 6'3" and over 200 lbs on a full stomach. I like to think that I charge pretty hard on variable terrain, but I only have my dins at like an 11 (depending on the ski) and have never released unnecessarily. Who are these people rocking dins in the high 'teens?
The real, but unpopular answer is a lot of those people are idiots. The ISO binding chart maxes out at 12. A properly set up binding at DIN 12 should pre-release almost never for 99.9% of recreational skiers. You should periodically get a shop to torque test a binding. If it's too far out of spec, it's time to replace the binding.
IsaacNW82As far as the argument to "run a binding in the middle of its DIN range", I have not heard a single argument for why, other than "Its designed for it". My guess is that you want your retention to come more from spring stiffness and elastic travel than spring preload, (you cant change spring stiffness, but you can add preload to increase DIN setting), but that is a guess, and only explains why you don't want to max the DINS, not why you shouldn't run them super low in the range. If anyone has a legitimate technical explanation, I'd love to hear it.
Run is the middle of the range is mostly BS. Bindings are tested across the entire specified range. However, there are good reasons to buy a binding where you aren't at the max or the min. If you're an adult at a DIN 8 and lose 10 pounds, the 8-18 binding doesn't allow you any room to adjust downward.
