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BruceDogFartSo why did they used to be under rossingol? did they buy look or what happened?
Business happened. Its kind of like how General Motors makes the same car under three different brands or whatever. The Tyrolia Attack binding can be found in a couple other brands as well I believe.
Really? What brands? also if you have any other situations where this happened lmk
r00kieBusiness happened. Its kind of like how General Motors makes the same car under three different brands or whatever. The Tyrolia Attack binding can be found in a couple other brands as well I beli
yeah it's just like salomon/atomic bindings being re-labeled versions of each other, or head and tyrolia both making the Attacks
just a matter of ownership and sister companies. it was called the FKS binding and yep it was functionally identical to the Look Pivots. not sure why they stopped selling them under the rossi name, but iirc both the pivots and FKS disappeared for a few years and then came back, presumably due to popular demand
but yeah, rossi lange dynastar look are all in bed somehow, might be as simple as that they're all owned by the same company, i forget
SofaKingSickyeah it's just like salomon/atomic bindings being re-labeled versions of each other, or head and tyrolia both making the Attacks
just a matter of ownership and sister companies. it was called the FKS binding and yep it was functionally identical to the Look Pivots. not sure why they stopped selling them under the rossi name, but iirc both the pivots and FKS disappeared for a few years and then came back, presumably due to popular demand
but yeah, rossi lange dynastar look are all in bed somehow, might be as simple as that they're all owned by the same company, i forget
Ive read about stuff like this on here before but this is so interesting to me somehow.
BruceDogFartIve read about stuff like this on here before but this is so interesting to me somehow.
i agree it's interesting, and it's interesting how little the (basic) design has changed over the years since the Look Nevada. also i've still never been able to find out what FKS stood for lol
SofaKingSicki agree it's interesting, and it's interesting how little the (basic) design has changed over the years since the Look Nevada. also i've still never been able to find out what FKS stood for lol
Sorry for all the questions, but were the pivot/fks that is popular now, designed by rossingol or look. or was it developed by both and sold by both?
SofaKingSicki agree it's interesting, and it's interesting how little the (basic) design has changed over the years since the Look Nevada. also i've still never been able to find out what FKS stood for lol
Does the second from the right have brakes on the toe piece?
ReturnToMonkeyDoes the second from the right have brakes on the toe piece?
Noticed that as well, I guess it wouldnt really hinder performance in any way but its weird that at some point they thought that it would be better to put it there since it didnt used to be on the older ones
BruceDogFartSorry for all the questions, but were the pivot/fks that is popular now, designed by rossingol or look. or was it developed by both and sold by both?
no worries at all! here's the Look history page which is pretty well done and shows you the first binding with elastic travel, the first turntable heelpiece, etc etc all that development over the years. and then rossi bought Look in the 90s (just remembered that) so yeah i think it's as simple as that, they bought Look and could then sell rebranded versions of their dope bindings
SofaKingSickno worries at all! here's the Look history page which is pretty well done and shows you the first binding with elastic travel, the first turntable heelpiece, etc etc all that development over the years. and then rossi bought Look in the 90s (just remembered that) so yeah i think it's as simple as that, they bought Look and could then sell rebranded versions of their dope bindings
Cool history there. I assume that front piece swings ~150 degrees backward so it doesn't dig straight into the snow? Or maybe it does and helps you eject somehow?
ReturnToMonkeyCool history there. I assume that front piece swings ~150 degrees backward so it doesn't dig straight into the snow? Or maybe it does and helps you eject somehow?
i'm just guessing based on the pictures but yeah i would think that it just swings around that whole obtuse angle when it engages, and it doesn't really matter theoretically because it engages when your boot leaves the binding anyway so it's free to do that whole swing
SofaKingSicki'm just guessing based on the pictures but yeah i would think that it just swings around that whole obtuse angle when it engages, and it doesn't really matter theoretically because it engages when your boot leaves the binding anyway so it's free to do that whole swing
But the problem with modern pivots is the brakes. When the boot heel lifts slightly(say youre landing nose heavy switch) the brake slightly lowers, catches on the snow and violently ejects you while bending the brake a lot. Not like when your whole heel comes up and the brakes lower all the way, just slightly but enough to touch the snow. Because you're switch it's at that same angle to the snow as the brakes in the picture might be if they are spring loaded to swing forward and it wants to yank them back.
ReturnToMonkeyBut the problem with modern pivots is the brakes. When the boot heel lifts slightly(say youre landing nose heavy switch) the brake slightly lowers, catches on the snow and violently ejects you while bending the brake a lot. Not like when your whole heel comes up and the brakes lower all the way, just slightly but enough to touch the snow. Because you're switch it's at that same angle to the snow as the brakes in the picture might be if they are spring loaded to swing forward and it wants to yank them back.
If you are able to have your breaks hit the snow without having come out of the binding I have a feeling your forward pressure is way too loose
SofaKingSickno worries at all! here's the Look history page which is pretty well done and shows you the first binding with elastic travel, the first turntable heelpiece, etc etc all that development over the years. and then rossi bought Look in the 90s (just remembered that) so yeah i think it's as simple as that, they bought Look and could then sell rebranded versions of their dope bindings
FKS155s back in the golden days were literally gold on this site. I was rewatching some old ski movies and realized how many of the pros were keeping FKS’s alive when look wasn’t making them.
Rossignol owns Look, Dynastar, and Lange. So Rossignol sold Pivots under their name for awhile. It’s also why the pivot colors match the Dynastar Menace series and Rossignol Black Ops.
Amer sports owns armada, atomic and Salomon. So they all use Salomon bindings rebranded.
Tyrolia licenses out their bindings so you’ll see Fischer, etc.
Line has same owners as marker. So you’ll see a lot of Line riders on Markers and the new Blends even have the Marker logo on the packaging.
Could be completely made up but I read “f___ knee system” somewhere when I bought my fks120. Maybe this helps?
SofaKingSicki agree it's interesting, and it's interesting how little the (basic) design has changed over the years since the Look Nevada. also i've still never been able to find out what FKS stood for lol
CatdickBojanglesFKS155s back in the golden days were literally gold on this site. I was rewatching some old ski movies and realized how many of the pros were keeping FKS’s alive when look wasn’t making them.
yeah I bought these off ns, they have been very heavily abused not sure if they are still safe but they still keep my skis on!
DesertStixCould be completely made up but I read “f___ knee system” somewhere when I bought my fks120. Maybe this helps?
hmm yeah for all i know that could be correct/getting there. you think you recall reading that on product packaging or documentation or something?
i've never been able to find an answer and i'm pretty good at googling. i met a top dude at Look a couple years ago but i was drunk (and drunk on his news of the Pivot 15s coming back) and i forgot to ask him if he knew what FKS stood for lol
Was raging down some bumps under the super gauge lift on Tuesday and some young guns saw my pivots and asked if they were safer. They had goggles under the helmet so I was a proud old man to tell them “not really but they look sweet and the release is buttery smoooooth”
Rossignol Group has owned, at various times, Rossignol, Look (ski bindings, bike pedals, bike frames), Dynastar, Lange, Time (pedals and frames), Kerma poles, Felt bicycles, and probably more I'm forgetting. Such is the nature of big-ass corporations.
SofaKingSickhmm yeah for all i know that could be correct/getting there. you think you recall reading that on product packaging or documentation or something?
i've never been able to find an answer and i'm pretty good at googling. i met a top dude at Look a couple years ago but i was drunk (and drunk on his news of the Pivot 15s coming back) and i forgot to ask him if he knew what FKS stood for lol
I have a pair from the late 90's with the geze toe that are labelled as Rossignol FK's
Profahoben_212If you are able to have your breaks hit the snow without having come out of the binding I have a feeling your forward pressure is way too loose
Not sure how to fix that on a pivot. My boots are also pretty worn out at the front and back but that happened a while ago to me, and it happened to my brother and plenty of other people I've read about
SofaKingSicki agree it's interesting, and it's interesting how little the (basic) design has changed over the years since the Look Nevada. also i've still never been able to find out what FKS stood for lol
When I was like 10 my dad gave me a set of heels on the right with some black and green rossi toe pieces. They were kinda sick but the black plastic part on the dildo died and releasing wasn't a great experience.
ReturnToMonkeyBut the problem with modern pivots is the brakes. When the boot heel lifts slightly(say youre landing nose heavy switch) the brake slightly lowers, catches on the snow and violently ejects you while bending the brake a lot. Not like when your whole heel comes up and the brakes lower all the way, just slightly but enough to touch the snow. Because you're switch it's at that same angle to the snow as the brakes in the picture might be if they are spring loaded to swing forward and it wants to yank them back.
I always find that I need a higher foreword pressure with pivots than the marking on the heel says. That usually fixes the problem but mess with that at your own risk.
