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Anybody else get a chubb when reading these specs of volkls ptex 4500 base material?

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dolanslebensraum
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Its the base they use on the revolt 87. All the other volkl park sticks use the normal sintered park base but the 87s use the same on as their race skis.

anybody know if fischer uses their race ski base on the nightstick?

I have a theory that alot of companies use different bases on their park skis than they use on their race skis, probably for durability reasons.

Armada bases might as well be extruded bc they are really fucking slow, but i think they make that tradeoff in order to have very durable base and edges.

volkl seems to make that tradeoff to a lesser extent on most of their parkable freeride skis and park skis, but its obvious the revolt 87 is their top of the line park ski because they just used the same genocidally slick sintered base they use on their race skis.

if the revolt 87 is at least somewhat durable then its probably the best park ski you can buy. Like 4 of the 10 xg slopestyle 2021 competitors were riding the 87.

head almost certainly does the same with their park skis and uses the same base as their race skis. Theres no other way to explain how fast head skis glide.

Ok thats enough sintered base masturbation for this evening.... carry on
Mar 2 2021 10:15PM
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gorbdawggybrent
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how are durasurf 4000 compared to all thoes ones
Mar 3 2021 1:38PM
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skierman
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This reminds me of a dog humping a pillow.
Mar 3 2021 1:44PM
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clindblomskier
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if the revolt 87 is at least somewhat durable then its probably the best park ski you can buy. Like 4 of the 10 xg slopestyle 2021 competitors were riding the 87.

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it might have the fastest base but I don’t really wanna ski on full camber 2x4’s. Not the best park ski. I could understand best jump ski
Mar 3 2021 1:52PM
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eheath
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DolansLebensraumI have a theory that alot of companies use different bases on their park skis than they use on their race skis, probably for durability reasons.


You're just now realizing this?
Mar 3 2021 1:53PM
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r00kie
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I've said it sarcastically before but this time I mean it.

Start pressing some skis. You clearly have an interest in ski construction and materials, you've done a lot of research, why not give it a shot? Sounds like a project you would really enjoy, you could share progress with us and we would eat it up.
Mar 3 2021 2:16PM
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No.Quarter
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r00kieI've said it sarcastically before but this time I mean it.

Start pressing some skis. You clearly have an interest in ski construction and materials, you've done a lot of research, why not give it a shot? Sounds like a project you would really enjoy, you could share progress with us and we would eat it up.


Are you trying to make another Heartcarve? If dolan starts pressing his own skis we are gonna have another Heartcarve on our hands
Mar 3 2021 3:41PM
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SammyDubz
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No.QuarterAre you trying to make another Heartcarve? If dolan starts pressing his own skis we are gonna have another Heartcarve on our hands


I kinda miss the chaos that guy caused ngl
Mar 3 2021 4:27PM
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r00kie
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No.QuarterAre you trying to make another Heartcarve? If dolan starts pressing his own skis we are gonna have another Heartcarve on our hands


I'm afraid heartcarve predates my time on the site. But something of grand scale would be great.
Mar 3 2021 4:33PM
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No.Quarter
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SammyDubzI kinda miss the chaos that guy caused ngl


Not gonna lie some of the most fun I've had on this site was watching his ridiculousness unfold. He got me so fucking heated sometimes
Mar 3 2021 5:40PM
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SofaKingSick
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r00kieI'm afraid heartcarve predates my time on the site. But something of grand scale would be great.


No.QuarterNot gonna lie some of the most fun I've had on this site was watching his ridiculousness unfold. He got me so fucking heated sometimes


dude that guy was so fuckin good, i refrained from commenting that he was a troll. i didn't wanna get in the way of his trolling master class and he was hysterical
Mar 3 2021 5:55PM
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Notaskibum
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Dolan since you're obsessed with base speed lets get you a pair of these volkl 2x4s and I'll ride some armadas that haven't been waxed since the Obama administration and let's have a proper Chinese downhill at Deer valley or whatever resort you are riding these days and we'll see if it really matters.
Mar 3 2021 6:57PM
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dolanslebensraum
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eheathYou're just now realizing this?

Give me a break i have adhd.
Mar 5 2021 9:25PM
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dolanslebensraum
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r00kieI've said it sarcastically before but this time I mean it.

Start pressing some skis. You clearly have an interest in ski construction and materials, you've done a lot of research, why not give it a shot? Sounds like a project you would really enjoy, you could share progress with us and we would eat it up.

Thanks for such a compliment man.



i think really tho id have to learn alot more before i could make my own skis. Maybe interning at a ski company would be cool.
Mar 5 2021 9:29PM
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dolanslebensraum
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gorbdawggybrenthow are durasurf 4000 compared to all thoes ones

Durasurf probably holds its own against the race bases of head volkl fischer and atomic, but i would be surprised if ds was quite as fast.



They are probably comparable. But if ds 4001 was the slickest bitch around then all the nazis would be using it on their race skis.
Mar 5 2021 10:11PM
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dolanslebensraum
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SofaKingSickdude that guy was so fuckin good, i refrained from commenting that he was a troll. i didn't wanna get in the way of his trolling master class and he was hysterical

Who is this heartcarve you speak of.





NotaskibumDolan since you're obsessed with base speed lets get you a pair of these volkl 2x4s and I'll ride some armadas that haven't been waxed since the Obama administration and let's have a proper Chinese downhill at Deer valley or whatever resort you are riding these days and we'll see if it really matters.

Honestly if we had the same weight to wind resistance ratio i would smoke you like a fucking marawanas. By the time you got to the bottom id be finished rubbing my ptex 4500 base on my ballsack until i creamed my pants.
Mar 5 2021 10:18PM
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gorbdawggybrent
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DolansLebensraumDurasurf probably holds its own against the race bases of head volkl fischer and atomic, but i would be surprised if ds was quite as fast.



They are probably comparable. But if ds 4001 was the slickest bitch around then all the nazis would be using it on their race skis.

bruh why don’t armada just hop on the ds 4000
Mar 5 2021 10:47PM
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dolanslebensraum
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gorbdawggybrentbruh why don’t armada just hop on the ds 4000

Thats a good question. I dont know what armadas selling point is for their slow ass bases.



i have to assume armadas bases are very durable because if durasurf 4001 was both faster and more durable it would make zero sense for armada not to follow suit and use durasurf.

its kind of embarassing that a full year ago i made the argument that armada needed to upgrade to durasurf, and yet here we are now, talking about how their boy quinn wolferman could barely get enough speed at xgames slopestyle 2021 to make the landing.

like i guess the heads at armada were like “hey guys lets stick to our guns and show dolan that he has no influence by keeping the same slow bases on next years skis”

haha... uh... wait what?

no armada, everybody is laughing at you for not taking dolans advice.

armada makes great durable park skis, i give them props.

but ive ridden the s7 base and its slow enough that its hard to fall in love with the skis. At least for me. Slick as fuck skis with sharp edges just feel so much smoother to ski on.
Mar 6 2021 12:02AM
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dolanslebensraum
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If you want to see what a fast base looks like watch this vid of head skis.

Fast bases with the right wax make you feel like you are a puck on an air hockey table.


https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/996049/Blister-Gear-Review--Head-Caddy-181
Mar 6 2021 12:06AM
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Bended_Toenail
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DolansLebensraum.

its kind of embarassing that a full year ago i made the argument that armada needed to upgrade to durasurf, and yet here we are now, talking about how their boy quinn wolferman could barely get enough speed at xgames slopestyle 2021 to make the landing.


I read through this thread a little while back, actually had some really interesting information and opinions.
Mar 6 2021 12:09AM
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gorbdawggybrent
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Bended_ToenailI read through this thread a little while back, actually had some really interesting information and opinions.


dispite the negative karma if i had a ski company i would hire dolan
Mar 6 2021 12:13AM
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dolanslebensraum
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Bended_ToenailI read through this thread a little while back, actually had some really interesting information and opinions.

I basically pointed out that the amount of base material needed for 2 skis costs about 10-20$. So really the most exaggerated cost difference between
armada base material and durasurf 4000 is 10$. At the most!

So for armada to not be willing to pay 10$ more for a much faster base material (ds 4000) makes like zero fucking sense.



like what customer wouldnt pay an extra 10 bucks for armada skis if the extra cost got you durable bases that were lightning fast?

there wouldnt be a single customer not willing to pay an extra 10$ for that. On 400-600$ skis thats like nothing.
Mar 6 2021 12:19AM
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ReturnToMonkey
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Why's a base got to be a good electrical conductor?
Mar 7 2021 2:26PM
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dolanslebensraum
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ReturnToMonkeyWhy's a base got to be a good electrical conductor?

If its non conductive then static charge can build up on the ski and cause added friction with the snow. I dont think it makes alot of difference but from what ive read all giant slalom/super g/downhill racing skis have black bases for this reason. The conducting substances that are added to the base material make it opaque and black.



the actual structure of the base and the wax holding ability are much more important than electrical conductivity for making the base very slick on the snow.

on3ps have a transparent base which probably has no electrically conductive additives but they are still very fast— showing that the conductivity of the base doesnt really matter unless you are racing a downhill course where hundredths of a second can be the diff between 1st place and 4th place.
Mar 7 2021 10:15PM
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SlitherySnake
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DolansLebensraumIf its non conductive then static charge can build up on the ski and cause added friction with the snow. I dont think it makes alot of difference but from what ive read all giant slalom/super g/downhill racing skis have black bases for this reason. The conducting substances that are added to the base material make it opaque and black.



the actual structure of the base and the wax holding ability are much more important than electrical conductivity for making the base very slick on the snow.

on3ps have a transparent base which probably has no electrically conductive additives but they are still very fast— showing that the conductivity of the base doesnt really matter unless you are racing a downhill course where hundredths of a second can be the diff between 1st place and 4th place.


you know so much about ski construction it kinda scares me that's some cool shit bro
Mar 7 2021 10:17PM
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dolanslebensraum
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SlitherySnakeyou know so much about ski construction it kinda scares me that's some cool shit bro

Haha thanks man. I think i might have aspergers or something because when i get curious about something i will dig up information on it for days and days.

the amount of high quality information on the internet these days is staggering. You can find out almost anything if you get good at using google search. Sometimes you have to take a few tries of different terms and phrases to find what you are looking for but the google engine is very effective.

i guess that makes me an armchair scientist but imo who cares. Good will hunting was an armchair scientist as well. It doesnt matter what college you went to or what phd you have. Ive met phds who ask you to call them “doctor” who probably have a total joke of an iq.
Mar 7 2021 11:08PM
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ReturnToMonkey
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DolansLebensraumHaha thanks man. I think i might have aspergers or something because when i get curious about something i will dig up information on it for days and days.

the amount of high quality information on the internet these days is staggering. You can find out almost anything if you get good at using google search. Sometimes you have to take a few tries of different terms and phrases to find what you are looking for but the google engine is very effective.

i guess that makes me an armchair scientist but imo who cares. Good will hunting was an armchair scientist as well. It doesnt matter what college you went to or what phd you have. Ive met phds who ask you to call them “doctor” who probably have a total joke of an iq.


You're right it's amazing how useful Google is, and it's shocking how bad some people are at using it. No phd program is really a joke, even if it's not the highest quality there is a lot of sacrifice and effort that goes into them. However, I don't like how some doctors almost seem cocky and make you very well aware who they are. On the other hand, and this seems more frequent, there are the phds who are doing it purely for the love of learning. A prof I'm a TA for has me call him by his first name and some of the students do too. This class is actually part of his research for his second phd, something to do with education, but it seems like he just never wanted to stop being a student and that's what doctorate programs are all about. You can learn a ton from Google, but you can learn a lot more from a network of people, resources at your disposal, and most importantly, experience actually doing things.

**This post was edited on Mar 7th 2021 at 11:28:00pm
Mar 7 2021 11:26PM
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dolanslebensraum
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Yeah i agree in general phd holders are very smart and dedicated. But not all. And usually the phds who want to be called doctor are less impressive intellectually than the phds who dont care if you call them by their first name.

lots of things are a cope or a compensation for alot of ppl. Ppl will often try to make up for their own perceived inadequacies.

the best ppl imo are those who are very enthusiastic about a subject and very curious. The smartest ppl in the world dont care much about their status, the just want to learn and discover shit. If you are getting a phd for the status you are doing it for the wrong reasons.
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No.Quarter
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DolansLebensraumWho is this heartcarve you speak of.

A way better troll than you will ever be
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