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Xgames is leaking full clips from this year 2021 real ski videos on Instagram reels before they release. I feel as this is whack because the filters and skiers work really hard. Posting clips before the videos release ruins the experience of watching the videos for the first time.
I saw those too and I was wondering if it was just B roll or if they were actual shots from the edits. If they were shots from the edits, that's fucking stupid
Also, you need to understand that the filmers and skiers entering this contest have given xgames the rights to use their footage however they want, they send a hard drive of their raw footage to the editors of the show. They pull clips for a trailer every year, they just are posting it on insta reels for the first time. I think you're being a bit dramatic about it, the skiers and filmers aren't mad because the clips are getting posted on the xgames insta, the videos are about to be all over the place in a couple days and on national TV.
Damn, I'm gonna not watch them to keep the experience as pure as possible. Although I really want to see what Taylor's put out I'm psyched to see her edit
eheathIt's the same clips that are in the trailer, no?
Also, you need to understand that the filmers and skiers entering this contest have given xgames the rights to use their footage however they want, they send a hard drive of their raw footage to the editors of the show. They pull clips for a trailer every year, they just are posting it on insta reels for the first time. I think you're being a bit dramatic about it, the skiers and filmers aren't mad because the clips are getting posted on the xgames insta, the videos are about to be all over the place in a couple days and on national TV.
I mean I get posting on the socials to hype it up before the full videos drop, but they look a lot less like a trailer than what I'd expect. I know Xgames has the rights to all the footage and maybe the filmers don't care but looks like they are giving up a lot in the trailers. Maybe it's just me but I'd rather just see a couple cutaways to keep me guessing on if some of this stuff was stomped or bailed. Showing off Lupe slaying a huge down rail from like 3 angles in a single video/reel is kinda wack IMO.
fuck that move from xgames. they are literally posting insta reel versions straight from the edits themselves without the music. i already have beef with adapting a horizontal video into a vertical video for a reel, takes away so much context of the shot and trick, but this is even more asinine.
yes, like eheath says, xgames has the legal rights to do this... but doesn’t make it any less fucking wack. everyone put a lot of time and energy into working on a part that deserves to be seen in its proper form, the way the skier/filmer team chose to share it.
the only reason they didn’t leak taylor’s clips is because i accidentally missed submitting that insta reel deliverable. guess it was a lucky break for us, but really feeling pissed on behalf of everyone else.
eheathI think you're being a bit dramatic about it, the skiers and filmers aren't mad because the clips are getting posted on the xgames insta
idgaf about my clips on the xgames insta or that exposure, i give a big fuck about wanting my and my friends’ work being viewed the way it was intended.
gravelidgaf about my clips on the xgames insta or that exposure, i give a big fuck about wanting my and my friends’ work being viewed the way it was intended.
Is that even a thing anymore with instagram? Everyone is leaking clips and posting promos, y'all treating this like it's 2005, maybe my viewpoint is skewed because I break down real ski shot by shot but in the end it's a 90 sec edit not a 5 min segment, there has to be a difference no? Im not necessarily agreeing with what espn is doing but are you really surprised? Again not to justify it but it's not like you're leaking movie clips it's real ski, if watching one clip of an athlete's real ski ruins it for you then you probably haven't had a video not ruined in years.
gravelidgaf about my clips on the xgames insta or that exposure, i give a big fuck about wanting my and my friends’ work being viewed the way it was intended.
i hate clout.
fuck xgames.
I would encourage you to not watch them if you haven't already.
I would encourage you to not watch them if you haven't already.
Our sport needs the money it brings in. Without xgames, freestyle skiing would never have been the big hit it was. It never would've made it to the Olympics (not that that matters in your view). But it brought so much outside interest, created so much growth, and provides tons of money. Even if it's not the same as it used to be, it's still important and honestly pretty dope without having to care too much about it.
ReturnToMonkeyOur sport needs the money it brings in. Without xgames, freestyle skiing would never have been the big hit it was. It never would've made it to the Olympics (not that that matters in your view). But it brought so much outside interest, created so much growth, and provides tons of money. Even if it's not the same as it used to be, it's still important and honestly pretty dope without having to care too much about it.
homie freestyle skiing might have been a hit in 2008 but it sure aint in 2021, even if i believe right now is a total new golden era of skiing for completely different reasons. our sport needs the money xgames brings in? if anything, xgames perpetuates the worst aspects of skiing and doesn’t give our sport jack shit! some exposure and a couple ten grand to six exclusive skiers? in order to promote megasponsors like hot pockets or pop tarts or something? x games does not support our sport. grassroots brands, local events, kids so passionate about what they love that they’ll sacrifice so much just to ski and share that - those things support our sport. x games was once a wonderful platform that’s gotten so grotesque and disfigured for the sake of marketing and entertainment value.
ReturnToMonkeyBut yeah i dont agree with what they're doing on insta. Thankfully i deleted it and can watch them for the first time on Monday
Does watching that one clip really "ruin" it though? I think this whole idea of the segment being soiled is such a weird idea, watching one clip vs watching a whole segment is so different. idk I feel like everyone is being a bit ridiculous about this situation and I feel like its just because its xgames/espn 🤷♀️
eheathIs that even a thing anymore with instagram? Everyone is leaking clips and posting promos, y'all treating this like it's 2005, maybe my viewpoint is skewed because I break down real ski shot by shot but in the end it's a 90 sec edit not a 5 min segment, there has to be a difference no? Im not necessarily agreeing with what espn is doing but are you really surprised? Again not to justify it but it's not like you're leaking movie clips it's real ski, if watching one clip of an athlete's real ski ruins it for you then you probably haven't had a video not ruined in years.
Zootspace just dropped one of the most heater movies of all time with absolutely no teaser clips of any kind on any channel, so... yeah I’d say it’s still a thing.
also Gavin just told you it’s a thing for him, an XGames realski filmer, and you’re like “is that still a thing?” cmon yo. Have some respect for the craft. They’ve never posted stuff with landings prior to the edit release before and there’s a good reason for that, because everything is more impactful if you see it in the context of other footage (even 90 seconds worth) with music to go with it
We don’t need xgames anymore. Real ski is awesome on paper but also complete bullshit and those guys would be better off to release the footage on their own.
OH NO! A CONTEST THAT DIDN'T EXIST A FEW YEARS AGO WITH REAL MONEY AND EXPOSURE FOR URBAN SKIERS AND FILMERS ARE HAVING CLIPS OF THEIR INTERNATIONALLY BROADCASTED EDITS LEAKED EARLY!!!!
THE FUCKING TRAVESTY!!!! MORE EXPOSURE AND HYPE!? WHAT HORRORS!!! X-GAMES ARE SUCH MONSTERS!!!!
For the assholes complaining, go back to film school and have fun continuing to be poor and living in the shadows of obscurity. At least you'll still be xxtremekore to the max respect for the craft you can't make a living doing! Fucking emo clowns.
eheathDoes watching that one clip really "ruin" it though? I think this whole idea of the segment being soiled is such a weird idea, watching one clip vs watching a whole segment is so different. idk I feel like everyone is being a bit ridiculous about this situation and I feel like its just because its xgames/espn 🤷♀️
I mean no it doesn’t completely “ruin” the video in the sense that it becomes unwatchable. However, showing clips (with landings) from a 90 second video is pretty shitty. If it was a 5 min part and they showed filler shit from the beginning of it it wouldn’t be a big deal, but they didn’t have to show full clips. Nothing is literally “ruined” but it is a bit of a bummer.
eheathIs that even a thing anymore with instagram? Everyone is leaking clips and posting promos, y'all treating this like it's 2005, maybe my viewpoint is skewed because I break down real ski shot by shot but in the end it's a 90 sec edit not a 5 min segment, there has to be a difference no? Im not necessarily agreeing with what espn is doing but are you really surprised? Again not to justify it but it's not like you're leaking movie clips it's real ski, if watching one clip of an athlete's real ski ruins it for you then you probably haven't had a video not ruined in years.
Maybe more people should revaluate and try to adapt more of a mindset that was in place in 2005, that you are referring to.
Obviously ESPN make sure that they are able to use the footage however they feel like in regards to marketing/tv-show/etc. But it's still people involved/rooted in ski film making that are doing the production. And I hope and believe that they know the importance of how a video and feeling are recieved for the first time. I can read out in your replies that we consume and produce media way differently. Even in a trick highlight-reel such as a realski-video, a lot goes into how every
single clip is presented and experienced for the first time. In which order they appear to build wow-factor, in correlation with the feeling of the music, what setting/feeling you are drawn into in the begginging/end of an edit etc.
Of course it's a big distraction in how you experience a video, if your mind all of a sudden know exactly what are going to happen. If you watch a regular movie, where in the same way they have put in a lot of work to build tension/hope/sadness,
all it takes is for you to have seen one single key scene of it before, so that your mind know what is going to happen, for you to snap out of that feeling; That they put a lot of work into portraying and have you feel. Maybe a stretch in regard of this topic, but in the end what it boils down to, as someone said, is respect to the craft.
Though it could be seen as a trick-reel, the filmers HAVE put a lot of thinking and work into how the content is presented and recieved for the first time.
For the marketing of the competition, they also recieve A LOT of tries/crashes/and behind the scenes of the whole production.
Perfectly intended for this exact use. So even though they on paper are free to spoil the full actual shots, the decision to take away from the complete edits first viewing doesnt make sense at all.
It's a teaser to build interest to watch the full edits, so it probably makes an even better job if the shots actually arent shown in full.
A bit frustrated that it's something that are seen as overreaction and overly dramatic, when I can fully relate to the feeling of the ones affected, since it's a mindset I also have myself and definetly wish more people shared. Especially going forward in this media climate.
eheathDoes watching that one clip really "ruin" it though? I think this whole idea of the segment being soiled is such a weird idea, watching one clip vs watching a whole segment is so different. idk I feel like everyone is being a bit ridiculous about this situation and I feel like its just because its xgames/espn 🤷♀️
Nah, like i said in my other comment, xgames is dope no matter what if you don't let yourself care too much. So no it wouldn't ruin anything, and i would care even less if Gavin didn't outright say he, as a filmer, wasn't a fan. Gotta respect the most underrated dudes in skiing, the cameramen (or women).
AnteOA bit frustrated that it's something that are seen as overreaction and overly dramatic, when I can fully relate to the feeling of the ones affected, since it's a mindset I also have myself and definetly wish more people shared. Especially going forward in this media climate.
Oh fuck off. If X-Games came to you and offered the opportunity to win tens of thousands of dollars, guaranteed exposure you've never received and an impressive notch on your resume for a fucking edit and the only stipulation was, "we can use one cool shot at our discretion in a promo" you would jump on the offer like a bitch in heat.
You and these other cunts are overreacting. No one will remember this shit in two seasons anyways. Grow the fuck up.
Lol without even addressing the actual argument- anyone reading this thread just needs to be aware that “gravel” Gavin Rudy and “AnteO” Andreas Olofsson are both filmers who have a Real-ski under their belts. Perhaps let’s trust their judgement and perspective here.
ReturnToMonkeyOur sport needs the money it brings in. Without xgames, freestyle skiing would never have been the big hit it was. It never would've made it to the Olympics (not that that matters in your view). But it brought so much outside interest, created so much growth, and provides tons of money. Even if it's not the same as it used to be, it's still important and honestly pretty dope without having to care too much about it.
Our sport has plenty of money and chooses to give it to the wrong people/companies. Our sport doesn't need more money if anything it needs the money it already has spent giving back to the sport and making it more accessible, and affordable for everyone.
AnteOMaybe more people should revaluate and try to adapt more of a mindset that was in place in 2005, that you are referring to.
Obviously ESPN make sure that they are able to use the footage however they feel like in regards to marketing/tv-show/etc. But it's still people involved/rooted in ski film making that are doing the production. And I hope and believe that they know the importance of how a video and feeling are recieved for the first time. I can read out in your replies that we consume and produce media way differently. Even in a trick highlight-reel such as a realski-video, a lot goes into how every
single clip is presented and experienced for the first time. In which order they appear to build wow-factor, in correlation with the feeling of the music, what setting/feeling you are drawn into in the begginging/end of an edit etc.
Of course it's a big distraction in how you experience a video, if your mind all of a sudden know exactly what are going to happen. If you watch a regular movie, where in the same way they have put in a lot of work to build tension/hope/sadness,
all it takes is for you to have seen one single key scene of it before, so that your mind know what is going to happen, for you to snap out of that feeling; That they put a lot of work into portraying and have you feel. Maybe a stretch in regard of this topic, but in the end what it boils down to, as someone said, is respect to the craft.
Though it could be seen as a trick-reel, the filmers HAVE put a lot of thinking and work into how the content is presented and recieved for the first time.
For the marketing of the competition, they also recieve A LOT of tries/crashes/and behind the scenes of the whole production.
Perfectly intended for this exact use. So even though they on paper are free to spoil the full actual shots, the decision to take away from the complete edits first viewing doesnt make sense at all.
It's a teaser to build interest to watch the full edits, so it probably makes an even better job if the shots actually arent shown in full.
A bit frustrated that it's something that are seen as overreaction and overly dramatic, when I can fully relate to the feeling of the ones affected, since it's a mindset I also have myself and definetly wish more people shared. Especially going forward in this media climate.
I may or may not just being saying some things just to kind of push the conversation a bit, maybe it was a bit harsh to say OP is being "dramatic" but I'm not surprised in the least that xgames is taking every advantage possible to further their brand, ya know?
IDK real ski has always been an "opportunity" in my eyes and maybe that's changing now, maybe its something skiers should consider not participating in they don't support the actions espn is taking, but I think skiers/filmers are still going to want to be in real ski regardless if the clips got posted on instagram or not.
I didn't mean to down play the time, effort, creativity and passion that gets put into these videos, I love watching them every year and full appreciate what you, gavin and others have put together for real ski and beyond.
My opinion will vary from others, which is fine, I don't mind taking a little heat, I like getting the conversation out there, im sorry that what I say may have made you feel disrespected (same goes for you gavin) or disrespectful the processes, that wasn't my intention.
MeenaSmallsOur sport has plenty of money and chooses to give it to the wrong people/companies. Our sport doesn't need more money if anything it needs the money it already has spent giving back to the sport and making it more accessible, and affordable for everyone.
You're right about the money going to the wrong place, but you're just wrong about the amount, there's barely enough money going around to support comp athletes let alone urban skiers...
eheathIs that even a thing anymore with instagram? Everyone is leaking clips and posting promos, y'all treating this like it's 2005, maybe my viewpoint is skewed because I break down real ski shot by shot but in the end it's a 90 sec edit not a 5 min segment, there has to be a difference no? Im not necessarily agreeing with what espn is doing but are you really surprised? Again not to justify it but it's not like you're leaking movie clips it's real ski, if watching one clip of an athlete's real ski ruins it for you then you probably haven't had a video not ruined in years.
Id argue it’s waaay worse to leak a single banger from a 90 second edit than it is to leak almost any clip from a full movie. Also, you keep asking if anyone is surprised that xgames is leaking clips. Obviously no, nobody is surprised. But that doesn’t mean we arent still a little bit disappointed and would like to express that we think it’s kinda lame that xgames does this. And who knows? Maybe someone at xgames will read this thread and try to change something going forward. They probably won’t, but it doesnt hurt to put it out there.
Definitely going to be interesting to see what everyone think about this year's real ski. This was most definitely the transition year from Real Street to Real Ski.
eheathIDK real ski has always been an "opportunity" in my eyes and maybe that's changing now, maybe its something skiers should consider not participating in they don't support the actions espn is taking, but I think skiers/filmers are still going to want to be in real ski regardless if the clips got posted on instagram or not.
I didn't mean to down play the time, effort, creativity and passion that gets put into these videos, I love watching them every year and full appreciate what you, gavin and others have put together for real ski and beyond.
My opinion will vary from others, which is fine, I don't mind taking a little heat, I like getting the conversation out there, im sorry that what I say may have made you feel disrespected (same goes for you gavin) or disrespectful the processes, that wasn't my intention.
no, you’re good heath. i know you recognize everyone’s work since you’ve done just as much in skiing and filming as anyone who’s made a realski.
my point here is - realski has been one of the best platforms to promote skiing and filmmaking within our community and beyond, even if it doesn’t necessarily support that skiing at its roots. it would not make sense to me to just throw in the towel and not participate just because we disagree with espn/disney. might as well get loud and try our best to be the change we want to see. obviously pretty futile because none of us little guys really have any power over how they run things at realski, but it’s better than apathy.
K-Dot.damn who would've thought that disney, the second largest media company in the world, would whore out a niche freestyle skiing scene on social media
dudes saying not to complain about this would definitely blow their boss if they got the chance
yeah always shocked by the amount of bootlickers on here
espn and other giant corporations are leeching off our sport. we don't need them cause anybody can buy a handycam at walmart and put a video on youtube. And if it's good people will notice. The zootspace movie dropped 2 weeks ago and it has almost as many views on youtube as most of the real ski videos that are almost a year old.
gravelno, you’re good heath. i know you recognize everyone’s work since you’ve done just as much in skiing and filming as anyone who’s made a realski.
my point here is - realski has been one of the best platforms to promote skiing and filmmaking within our community and beyond, even if it doesn’t necessarily support that skiing at its roots. it would not make sense to me to just throw in the towel and not participate just because we disagree with espn/disney. might as well get loud and try our best to be the change we want to see. obviously pretty futile because none of us little guys really have any power over how they run things at realski, but it’s better than apathy.
Big ups my guy, i think there is a point to be made with xgames but I dont think your opinion would be ignore, talk to the guys involved, they will listen. Its hard to know if anything will change but I know the xgames ppl will listen.
Last_Love_MovieXgames is leaking full clips from this year 2021 real ski videos on Instagram reels before they release. I feel as this is whack because the filters and skiers work really hard. Posting clips before the videos release ruins the experience of watching the videos for the first time.
they showed me the slopestyle ski men medals before the full stream then THIS!
danbrownI mean no it doesn’t completely “ruin” the video in the sense that it becomes unwatchable. However, showing clips (with landings) from a 90 second video is pretty shitty. If it was a 5 min part and they showed filler shit from the beginning of it it wouldn’t be a big deal, but they didn’t have to show full clips. Nothing is literally “ruined” but it is a bit of a bummer.
Exactly this, no it's not unwatchable obviously but it loses a bit of its impact and initial wow factor. Especially since its only 90 seconds you've practically watched a good 5-10% of the video and thus can't fully appreciate it how it's supposed to be viewed.
pinkcamo1000yeah always shocked by the amount of bootlickers on here
espn and other giant corporations are leeching off our sport. we don't need them cause anybody can buy a handycam at walmart and put a video on youtube. And if it's good people will notice. The zootspace movie dropped 2 weeks ago and it has almost as many views on youtube as most of the real ski videos that are almost a year old.
yeah but like, naw.
Truth be told our sport leeches off of ESPN and other giant corporations just as much as they "leech" off us. They promote our sport to a very large audience and give it a lot of publicity that I truthfully do not think skiing would get on its own. Yes anyone can buy a cam and make content but no one really gives a shit. The sad truth is not many people care about skiing, its an extremely niche sport that many can't afford to participate in or have even access to and because of that it has a very small (and aging) audience. Literally none of the dudes I skate with care about street skiing or skiing at all for that matter, but you know what they do like watching? X-games, Dew Tour, competitions in general really. It's the part of skiing that brings in real views and money cause people like my buddies will still tune in to watch dudes huck meat and go fucking huge.
Like dude ik its cringe and NOT very core of me to say but we need those big corporations and ESPN pushing our stuff so that there can be money for film and street parts to be made. We need those energy drink sponsors, we need GoPro, and we need ESPN so that we can have independent film projects, athletes that don't need to work second jobs, and a wider spectrum of competition skiing for men and women.
Macro rant over cause I got a shift to get to soon but there's some interesting stuff being discussed in this thread
Truth be told our sport leeches off of ESPN and other giant corporations just as much as they "leech" off us. They promote our sport to a very large audience and give it a lot of publicity that I truthfully do not think skiing would get on its own. Yes anyone can buy a cam and make content but no one really gives a shit. The sad truth is not many people care about skiing, its an extremely niche sport that many can't afford to participate in or have even access to and because of that it has a very small (and aging) audience. Literally none of the dudes I skate with care about street skiing or skiing at all for that matter, but you know what they do like watching? X-games, Dew Tour, competitions in general really. It's the part of skiing that brings in real views and money cause people like my buddies will still tune in to watch dudes huck meat and go fucking huge.
Like dude ik its cringe and NOT very core of me to say but we need those big corporations and ESPN pushing our stuff so that there can be money for film and street parts to be made. We need those energy drink sponsors, we need GoPro, and we need ESPN so that we can have independent film projects, athletes that don't need to work second jobs, and a wider spectrum of competition skiing for men and women.
Macro rant over cause I got a shift to get to soon but there's some interesting stuff being discussed in this thread
idk I think you're actually proving my point here. You said it yourself - the guys you skate with care about x-games, but don't give a fuck about skiing. So how is that actually helping skiing?
sure, monster and gopro and shit put a bunch of money into skiing and a lot of rad af skiers have made a career off of those sponsorships. without them they would be in the same boat as the "pros" that work second jobs. but look at LTC. That series changed skiing forever, and I would bet it brings in more dedicated skiers than the x-games do. Big Checks and Big Spectacle doesn't mean more skiers...it might just entertain some skaters for one night a year.
Young_pattyLike dude ik its cringe and NOT very core of me to say but we need those big corporations and ESPN pushing our stuff so that there can be money for film and street parts to be made. We need those energy drink sponsors, we need GoPro, and we need ESPN so that we can have independent film projects, athletes that don't need to work second jobs, and a wider spectrum of competition skiing for men and women.
Name your 3 fav independent ski movies from last season and lmk which ones got any money from GoPro, energy drinks, or espn.
Could honestly end that sentence after money and it’d still not apply for 90% of videos.
Does nitro circus make you make you wanna dirt bike? Maybe for some but it’s literally just a spectacle, a circus. X games is hardly different. It’s why Simon won fan vote with a dub front. It’s why this years real ski was billed as “an early season video” and not limited to street skiing. X games wanted athletes with larger followings so their could sell ads better.
Street skiers don’t have the biggest followings so we got Tanner, ferdi and Ahall. Not knocking them by any means- great skiers and videos. Just be aware their invite was in part so that espn could make more
Money vs other less followed skiers.
so no, street skiing doesn’t need x games. Skiing in general doesnt need it or Olympics. The only thing we need is snow and for the streets I’d like a shovel as well. The best shit I see every season comes from pure passion, and six 90 second clips that all woulda been better as full segments in movies is not changing that. And to be very clear this is not a knock against The skiers or filmers. Just very much so to point out that x games literally needs us more than we need them. Their money isn’t doing shit on this side, but without us, what do they have to show?
-DanName your 3 fav independent ski movies from last season and lmk which ones got any money from GoPro, energy drinks, or espn.
Could honestly end that sentence after money and it’d still not apply for 90% of videos.
Does nitro circus make you make you wanna dirt bike? Maybe for some but it’s literally just a spectacle, a circus. X games is hardly different. It’s why Simon won fan vote with a dub front. It’s why this years real ski was billed as “an early season video” and not limited to street skiing. X games wanted athletes with larger followings so their could sell ads better.
Street skiers don’t have the biggest followings so we got Tanner, ferdi and Ahall. Not knocking them by any means- great skiers and videos. Just be aware their invite was in part so that espn could make more
Money vs other less followed skiers.
so no, street skiing doesn’t need x games. Skiing in general doesnt need it or Olympics. The only thing we need is snow and for the streets I’d like a shovel as well. The best shit I see every season comes from pure passion, and six 90 second clips that all woulda been better as full segments in movies is not changing that. And to be very clear this is not a knock against The skiers or filmers. Just very much so to point out that x games literally needs us more than we need them. Their money isn’t doing shit on this side, but without us, what do they have to show?
