4 dead in Utah avalanche

Not even like a normal (to my knowledge) place to ski either, I would imagine they were all prepared and had gear. Tragic.

Caltopo of the area, its the triangle bowl kinda zone in the middle. Anything darker than yellow is 32+ degree slope AKA avalanche terrain. And the whole slope is dead N facing, in an area with some of the weakest/ thinnest pack in the wasatch. Cant find a working wx station around there but probably picked up at least 12-18in of pretty dense snow plus really strong W wind over the past few days. The zone with no shading would be great low angle tree skiin but getting too close to that west ridge is bad news. Also possible to remotely trigger that ridge from the lower section given how dog shit and connected our snowpack is right now

not trying to armchair quarterback here at all, terribly tragic event. Fack

Two big groups, one triggering the slide and hitting another. I'm not surprised. Overcrowding and incredibly unstable snowpack issues were clearly present and everyone was pretending like nothing was going on despite unprecedented amount of slides and deaths in surrounding areas.

Do you feel bad for someone who shot themselves in the face playing Russian Roulette? That's how I feel. This wasn't a tragedy, it was fucking inevitable. Expect more of this in the next few weeks. Fucking sad.

skiermanTwo big groups, one triggering the slide and hitting another. I'm not surprised. Overcrowding and incredibly unstable snowpack issues were clearly present and everyone was pretending like nothing was going on despite unprecedented amount of slides and deaths in surrounding areas.

Do you feel bad for someone who shot themselves in the face playing Russian Roulette? That's how I feel. This wasn't a tragedy, it was fucking inevitable. Expect more of this in the next few weeks. Fucking sad.

“This wasn’t a tragedy” - you need help man. The friends I’m with now were very close to someone who passed today. Go tell them it’s not a tragedy.

@eheath I know having this guy around is entertaining and all but can you guys seriously just boot this loser?

c-fries“This wasn’t a tragedy” - you need help man. The friends I’m with now were very close to someone who passed today. Go tell them it’s not a tragedy.

@eheath I know having this guy around is entertaining and all but can you guys seriously just boot this loser?

Yeah just cherry-pick my post and ignore the context, you stupid fuck.

Geez. Seams like every weekend this winter I hear about multiple avalanche fatalities down across the border. Shitty.

skiermanTwo big groups, one triggering the slide and hitting another. I'm not surprised. Overcrowding and incredibly unstable snowpack issues were clearly present and everyone was pretending like nothing was going on despite unprecedented amount of slides and deaths in surrounding areas.

Do you feel bad for someone who shot themselves in the face playing Russian Roulette? That's how I feel. This wasn't a tragedy, it was fucking inevitable. Expect more of this in the next few weeks. Fucking sad.

Lay off it Scott, I know you're a real person too, this isn't the time nor the place.

First off, let's all take a moment to recognize the incredible job that ski patrol does at ski resorts to minimize the avalanche risk, unlike the backcountry. Dropping bombs is dangerous so thanks guys for helping us shred safely.

So outside person here. I gave skierman a thumbs up cuz he had good points. Hear me out.

-People could easily say this was a stupid decision and that's the risk you take. I agree with the risk assessment that this was a poor decision, but just because I agree doesn't make this not a tragedy.
-Sure hundreds of thousands of people die every day and we don't bat an eye. EVERY premature death is a tragedy so it really irks me when people say otherwise, especially with this pandemic. Regardless of the decisions, it still sucks. Those people now cease to exist. Stop and think about that for a second before we argue more.
-I think the point is this hits closer to home because it is skiing. People dying doing something fun is fucking awful. No matter how much I loathe some of you fuckers I'd still ski with you.
-I have participated in hundreds of resuscitations at work but if I had to dig my dead best friend or brother out of an avalanche that would seriously fuck me up inside. It's easy to disconnect when reading a story but personally seeing that grief in the family's faces or being there really puts how shitty it is into perspective.


Some other things I wonder or stood out:
-They all had beacons I think. Good.
-Airbags? Who knows
-While avalanches have high risk of blunt force trauma, was suffocation a cause here? Would an avalung have helped? How bout they integrate those into airbag packs because they truly work.
-I don't think anyone can debate that conditions were risky.
-Let's continue to learn from these tragedies.

Don't let your eagerness for endless pow blind your judgment. Be safe out there y'all.

Incredibly sad and tragic accident. Let's hold off on forming any opinions of the victims until the official accident report is released.

**This post was edited on Feb 6th 2021 at 11:23:53pm

TRVP_ANGELIncredibly sad and tragic accident. Let's hold off on forming any opinions of the victims until the official accident report is released.

**This post was edited on Feb 6th 2021 at 11:23:53pm

This. Its easy for us humans currently alive to point out the mistakes of others. Just give it a minute, people.

c-fries“This wasn’t a tragedy” - you need help man. The friends I’m with now were very close to someone who passed today. Go tell them it’s not a tragedy.

@eheath I know having this guy around is entertaining and all but can you guys seriously just boot this loser?

c-fries“This wasn’t a tragedy” - you need help man. The friends I’m with now were very close to someone who passed today. Go tell them it’s not a tragedy.

@eheath I know having this guy around is entertaining and all but can you guys seriously just boot this loser?

c-fries“This wasn’t a tragedy” - you need help man. The friends I’m with now were very close to someone who passed today. Go tell them it’s not a tragedy.

@eheath I know having this guy around is entertaining and all but can you guys seriously just boot this loser?

Say what you will about skierman, but because you are closely connected to the incident might be missing the context of what he is saying.

Obviously any death is considered a tragedy to those directly affected, but from my quick glance at the incident tells a story where either everyone involved was not following protocol. High danger, typical looking start zone, hazards below, and two different groups - everyone getting caught. I was gonna look at the photos to see if anyone even bothered to ski cut but the site is down atm. Unless you are on a 20° slope or less or in a properly mature forest, there is no reason why 8 people should ever be on a slope at the same time when avy danger is high.

Yes, we are insensitive, but geez - all 8 people went for a ride. That alone is a huge red flag for poor group dynamics and decision making. I truly am sorry for your loss, BUT something like this shouldn't happen.

BigPurpleSkiSuitLay off it Scott, I know you're a real person too, this isn't the time nor the place.

Actually you're wrong, this is PRECISELY the time and the place to have this discussion. Go to today's UAC daily forecast for the Salt Lake City area, in the first two sections (recent avalanches and first problem) there is direct and unambiguous statements saying to specifically avoid the upper Millcreek AND Alexander Basin areas. If you BC ski in Utah the first thing you should do before even going out for a tour is look at the UAC website, it's the very first thing they teach in every AIARE level 1 BC class here in the state; whether you ski, split board, snowmobile, snoeshow, or even just hike you should check the daily forecast. We've already had 2 deaths so far this year and every single person who travels in the BC with any regularity knows the big problem this year is a weak faceted layer from snowfall in October/November that has rotted. North/Northeast/Northwest aspects are so avy prone it's not even funny, if you head into the BC on those slopes you're just asking for a disaster and Alexander Basin literally had a posted avalanche report from the day prior.

This was gross negligence on the part of 8 people, complete unpreparedness and/or blatant falling prey to the human condition. Yesterday's snowfall was higher density with wind loading and posted avalanche warnings throughout the area, I feel bad for the families of 4 people who now have to mourn the completely unnecessary and wasted lives of people they love for absolutely no reason. A very basic level of BC knowledge/preparedness and risk mitigation would have saved lives today, but 8 people chose to make a very stupid decision with many many warnings and indicators telling them to specifically avoid that exact area.

So yes, let's have the discussion because this year more than any there's been a massive influx of people into the BC trying to avoid the overcrowding in the Cottonwood Canyons, a lot of people with very little training and experience are getting themselves into dangerous situations with no preparation. Unfortunately days like today will become more frequent just by virtue of increased population, overcrowded resorts, and easier BC access.

DrailSay what you will about skierman, but because you are closely connected to the incident might be missing the context of what he is saying.

Obviously any death is considered a tragedy to those directly affected, but from my quick glance at the incident tells a story where either everyone involved was not following protocol. High danger, typical looking start zone, hazards below, and two different groups - everyone getting caught. I was gonna look at the photos to see if anyone even bothered to ski cut but the site is down atm. Unless you are on a 20° slope or less or in a properly mature forest, there is no reason why 8 people should ever be on a slope at the same time when avy danger is high.

Yes, we are insensitive, but geez - all 8 people went for a ride. That alone is a huge red flag for poor group dynamics and decision making. I truly am sorry for your loss, BUT something like this shouldn't happen.

We had a dark ongoing joke when I lived in Utah that you could always tell the season by the fatalities you read in KSL. It was always avalanches in Winter and Spring, capsized boats in Summer from careless boaters and ATV accidents in fall with people not wearing helmets. That is the problem with having a population center so close to the wilderness, people see how accessible it is but dont realize that even if your 35 min from town all the dangers or the wild country exist.

Triple post!!!

Hopefully as the dust settles and after analysis of the incident it can be used as a wake up call/learning tool for the community. It shares similarlies to two incidents in BC that ultimately changed how we travel in avalanche terrain. Kokanee '98 and Rogers Pass '03. Both unique in their own way, but what they had in common was too many people exposed to the line of fire. The Kokanee incident has a book that tells the story very eloquently called 'In The Path of an Avalanche' that I highly recommend anyone who spends time in avalanche terrain reads.

I will back off now because I think I am being insensitive. I am sorry for being blunt so soon after this incident happened.

It was gobblers. Stones throw from last weeks almost. It’s a popular route/area

I won’t comment any more about this incident it’s just trivial at this point

The snowmobile accident that will on national news by tomorrow is the scariest video(s) I’ve ever seen. No one died, so maybe it won’t me media attention, but fuck that post and info.

eheathNot even like a normal (to my knowledge) place to ski either, I would imagine they were all prepared and had gear. Tragic.

DrailTriple post!!!

Hopefully as the dust settles and after analysis of the incident it can be used as a wake up call/learning tool for the community. It shares similarlies to two incidents in BC that ultimately changed how we travel in avalanche terrain. Kokanee '98 and Rogers Pass '03. Both unique in their own way, but what they had in common was too many people exposed to the line of fire. The Kokanee incident has a book that tells the story very eloquently called 'In The Path of an Avalanche' that I highly recommend anyone who spends time in avalanche terrain reads.

I will back off now because I think I am being insensitive. I am sorry for being blunt so soon after this incident happened.

As part of my AIARE 1 course years ago we had to go through the interactive training based on the Cherry Bowl accident, it was very worthwhile and brings aspects of the human condition into avalanche risk assessment and mitigation:

https://www.avalanche.ca/cherry-bowl/#/intro

DrailSay what you will about skierman, but because you are closely connected to the incident might be missing the context of what he is saying.

Obviously any death is considered a tragedy to those directly affected, but from my quick glance at the incident tells a story where either everyone involved was not following protocol. High danger, typical looking start zone, hazards below, and two different groups - everyone getting caught. I was gonna look at the photos to see if anyone even bothered to ski cut but the site is down atm. Unless you are on a 20° slope or less or in a properly mature forest, there is no reason why 8 people should ever be on a slope at the same time when avy danger is high.

Yes, we are insensitive, but geez - all 8 people went for a ride. That alone is a huge red flag for poor group dynamics and decision making. I truly am sorry for your loss, BUT something like this shouldn't happen.

I actually completely understood what he was saying and until the second half of his initial reply, he’s spot on.

We all understand that going out at all today would have been putting yourself and others in a precarious situation. The forecast was obviously screaming a no go. But when someone hits their head and passes away because they didn’t have a helmet on, do you really have the heart and mind to say that it’s any less sad? If someone dies in a car crash because they were speeding is it not still a tragedy? How about when someone overdoses? No - those situations are still fucking tragic and so is this. So is each and every avalanche and ski accident.

All I’m saying is that these people had names and they had families. Turning up our noses and saying “oh well, they really should’ve kept it under 30!” does not make the situation any less sad.

This being said - I am glad that we do have the privilege to analyze the situation and become more prudent in the backcountry because of it. Clearly there were things that went wrong here potentially as a result of poor decision making - I’m just saying there were real human beings involved and we shouldn’t lack the heart to be sensitive to that.

SkiBum.It was gobblers. Stones throw from last weeks almost. It’s a popular route/area

I won’t comment any more about this incident it’s just trivial at this point

The snowmobile accident that will on national news by tomorrow is the scariest video(s) I’ve ever seen. No one died, so maybe it won’t me media attention, but fuck that post and info.

Yeah I suppose my point was these weren't some random noobs, all were experienced and likely were prepared, but accidents happen in the backcountry.

SkiBum.The snowmobile accident that will on national news by tomorrow is the scariest video(s) I’ve ever seen. No one died, so maybe it won’t me media attention, but fuck that post and info.

holy shit i just saw this
https://www.instagram.com/p/CK-ROvllWty/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

Im all for awareness but to make a post with no sympathy for victims is just wrong

pdxplankerActually you're wrong, this is PRECISELY the time and the place to have this discussion. Go to today's UAC daily forecast for the Salt Lake City area, in the first two sections (recent avalanches and first problem) there is direct and unambiguous statements saying to specifically avoid the upper Millcreek AND Alexander Basin areas. If you BC ski in Utah the first thing you should do before even going out for a tour is look at the UAC website, it's the very first thing they teach in every AIARE level 1 BC class here in the state; whether you ski, split board, snowmobile, snoeshow, or even just hike you should check the daily forecast. We've already had 2 deaths so far this year and every single person who travels in the BC with any regularity knows the big problem this year is a weak faceted layer from snowfall in October/November that has rotted. North/Northeast/Northwest aspects are so avy prone it's not even funny, if you head into the BC on those slopes you're just asking for a disaster and Alexander Basin literally had a posted avalanche report from the day prior.

This was gross negligence on the part of 8 people, complete unpreparedness and/or blatant falling prey to the human condition. Yesterday's snowfall was higher density with wind loading and posted avalanche warnings throughout the area, I feel bad for the families of 4 people who now have to mourn the completely unnecessary and wasted lives of people they love for absolutely no reason. A very basic level of BC knowledge/preparedness and risk mitigation would have saved lives today, but 8 people chose to make a very stupid decision with many many warnings and indicators telling them to specifically avoid that exact area.

So yes, let's have the discussion because this year more than any there's been a massive influx of people into the BC trying to avoid the overcrowding in the Cottonwood Canyons, a lot of people with very little training and experience are getting themselves into dangerous situations with no preparation. Unfortunately days like today will become more frequent just by virtue of increased population, overcrowded resorts, and easier BC access.

eheathholy shit i just saw this
https://www.instagram.com/p/CK-ROvllWty/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

That is some... wow. Some straight up nightmare shit

What the fuck is with everyone filming shit with their cell phones? Airplane mode is not enough. Phone should be off and a foot from your transceiver.

This is God damn terrifying

eheathholy shit i just saw this
https://www.instagram.com/p/CK-ROvllWty/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

eheathholy shit i just saw this
https://www.instagram.com/p/CK-ROvllWty/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

That's the scariest set of videos I've ever seen. Absolutely sickening.

It is incredibly sad that this has happened so many times in so many different states over the past week. I saw this post from the Crested Butte Avalanche Center and I found it so interesting.
"If someone warned you that you are likely to get shot if you went into your favorite bar today, would you still go in for a beer? Ask yourself that question if you are eyeing a steep slope today."
I feel like this is such a good analogy and even though there is temptation to get out there and ski certain areas right now, does the risk outweigh the reward?

skiermanTwo big groups, one triggering the slide and hitting another. I'm not surprised. Overcrowding and incredibly unstable snowpack issues were clearly present and everyone was pretending like nothing was going on despite unprecedented amount of slides and deaths in surrounding areas.

Do you feel bad for someone who shot themselves in the face playing Russian Roulette? That's how I feel. This wasn't a tragedy, it was fucking inevitable. Expect more of this in the next few weeks. Fucking sad.

What I gathered from this: anyone who has died due to lack of judgement, ignorance, or seeking a thrill is a someone who we should not feel bad for. Nor should we feel bad for the families because 4 experienced backcountry skiers died cause shit happens in life. You are a sick man, if anything were to ever happen to you say you die in a car crash because you were speeding I'd hope no one feels bad for you or your family because thats what you wanted? Shit happens sometimes and its tragic, you are fucked in the head if you read that headline and just go "fucking idiots should've read the report, now back to trolling on new schoolers.

For someone whose done so much crying in the covid thread about a virus that kills primarily people over 80 years old you sure don't give a fuck about the 20-40 year olds who all died because of one bad lapse of judgement. Get some help dude seriously. Life is precious we make mistakes and sometimes these mistakes are fatal but you still feel bad for someone and their friends/ family when it does happen. You do extreme sports you go mountain biking and freestyle skiing both very deadly/ risky sports. If you bashed your skull in on your mtn bike because you crashed and died should people feel bad for you? Mtn biking is RISKY maybe you shouldn't have been riding down that steep of a trail, etc etc.

Skiings dangerous when you exploded your brain on that tree it was clearly YOUR fault for skiing too fast in the trees and it should be used as a lesson. Enough of the drivers ed scare tactics bullshit dude, it's a tragedy and all 4 skiers that died were experienced with equipment but like I said before: SHIT HAPPENS.

Film.What I gathered from this

Exactly. You have a preconceived notion of who I am so you took my post out of context to fit that narrative. I feel sorry for anyone impacted by peoples' poor judgement. To me this is no different than someone getting hammered and driving around on the highway. No one deserves the end result but unlike you, I cannot pretend this was simply a twist of fate accident no one could have predicted. This was completely preventable. No matter how experienced you are or what gear you have, you can still make bad decisions.

**This post was edited on Feb 7th 2021 at 12:34:27pm

skiermanExactly. You have a preconceived notion of who I am so you took my post out of context to fit that narrative. I feel sorry for anyone impacted by peoples' poor judgement. To me this is no different than someone getting hammered and driving around on the highway. No one deserves the end result but unlike you, I cannot pretend this was simply a twist of fate accident no one could have predicted. This was completely preventable.

Drug overdoses are preventable too, we still mourn and cry for those who die from them. Have some fucking sympathy for the love of god, people make mistakes. All 4 of them died, no one made it out, they didn't trigger a slide and kill some undeserving party below them either. They made a big mistake it affected no one else but themselves.

You probably didn't mourn for the death of Kobe Bryant either did you? "It was foggy they shouldn't have been flying, fucking idiot pretty much deserved to die it was bound to happen."

Plain and simple you need help, you are really fucked up in the head.

Film.Drug overdoses are preventable too, we still mourn and cry for those who die from them. Have some fucking sympathy for the love of god, people make mistakes. All 4 of them died, no one made it out, they didn't trigger a slide and kill some undeserving party below them either. They made a big mistake it affected no one else but themselves.

You probably didn't mourn for the death of Kobe Bryant either did you? "It was foggy they shouldn't have been flying, fucking idiot pretty much deserved to die it was bound to happen."

Plain and simple you need help, you are really fucked up in the head.

All one party 4 made it out 4 didn't, all together making one bad decision. Is right now the time to criticize these people who are grieving the loss of their friends and the 4 that narrowly lived? No, in due time we can analyze the event and learn from it, but for now we grieve with them and their families. Super sad event, it's easy to arm chair quarterback what they should have done then.

You can’t just b booting people man. This cancel and ban people culture is so beyond fucked. If you don’t like what someone has to say then voice your opinion. He’s aloud to have his. It’s a fuckin shitty one but non the less he feels how he feels it it seems like there may be some deep personal issues. Let’s hope he works them out. Now if you boot him from the sit and silence people it makes them feel wronged and when silenced people with immoral values feel like they have been wronged bad things have happened throughout history. Let him talk ..... debate any facts that there is to debate if you would like, then let people choose who to listen to and pay attention to. Pretty political I know but we can’t just start silencing people, this is fucking free skiing man

c-fries“This wasn’t a tragedy” - you need help man. The friends I’m with now were very close to someone who passed today. Go tell them it’s not a tragedy.

@eheath I know having this guy around is entertaining and all but can you guys seriously just boot this loser?

Names just got released.

https://www.ksl.com/article/50102621/officials-identify-4-killed-in-millcreek-canyon-avalanche

eheathholy shit i just saw this
https://www.instagram.com/p/CK-ROvllWty/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

This is one of my close friends good buddies. We got a call yesterday right after this happened. They were well educated and prepared and the avalanche was remotely triggered. Insanely scary stuff. Be safe out there y’all.

ah fuck i knew one of the kids

The UAC does a great job taking objective information about incidents and coming up with a piece that we can move forward with as hopefully a way to prevent future accidents.

The fact that someone in here has already stated the wrong slope attached to a judgement is a good indication of why people should hold their tongues and judgements until the situation has been analyzed. Take a breath everyone, people have lost friends or families and most humans alive are guilty of making mistakes that they didn’t have to pay the ultimate price for. Really, premature judgement is just self serving and has become an annoying trend of social media’s growing interest in highlighting avalanche accidents.

Have any of yall heard of something called get-there-itus? Its almost an official term in aviation, and refers to the feeling of pressure that causes experienced pilots to do dumb shit (mis-read weather reports, skip checklist items, overload planes). It is one of the biggest killers in aviation, and because of this, there's tons of research that has been done on the psychology of these situations. Basically, when we really want to do something, we tend to cherry-pick information that reinforces our idea/goal. Nobody gets up in the morning, and says "I'm gonna go ignore the weather/avi forecast, and fly into deteriorating weather (and crash into a mountain)/ski an avi prone slope on a sketchy snowpack. These decisions are part of a chain of events/small decisions that start way back. So we have to be very aware of this chain, and how any minor decisions can effect us. Be hyper-aware of the little things that change your mood/judgement. You need to plan out your day before leaving the house. Not just basic shit (Where, who, when), but all the scenarios that you will encounter. Statements like "if X looks like ___, we go home" are very helpful in setting limits. Once your limits are set, don't push them at all. Justify/make all your decisions at home, when you are on the mountain, you will not always be in the right frame of mind to make new ones. Don't be afraid to speak up. If everyone in the group is thinking alike, then nobody is thinking (Unless you are all thinking about calling it quits). Remind yourself of the consequences of not skiing. Well, you don't get to ski. Thats it. You have nothing to lose by staying home.

The most important thing, as I've already mentioned, don't make big decisions on the mountain. Plan where you are going to ski, and what you are going to do if it looks sketchy. If zone A sucks, plan for zones B and C. STICK TO THOSE PLANS. If A, B, and C are sketchy, go the fuck home, unless you've planned for D. We like to think that we are rational beings, good at making decisions in all kinds of situations, but we really aren't. In fact, we're complete shit at it. Think about the Apollo 10 mission. It was intended as a dress rehearsal for the moon landing. They were to fly to the moon, orbit it at 47000' above the surface, and RTB. While the mission was in the planning phase, there was talk about carrying extra fuel, just incase something went wrong. But, they were never given the extra fuel. The mission planners knew that if the astronauts had extra fuel, that they would be tempted to try and land on the moon. Keep in mind that these astronauts were some of the best pilots in the world, all of them experienced at making decisions under pressure. But even back in 1960, we knew enough about psychology to say that these men were not to be trusted with the opportunity to try a landing. WE'RE NOT AS LOGICAL AS WE LIKE TO THINK.

Whenever a pilot makes a stupid decision, and gets himself (and often others) killed, it is not just his fault. Some of the responsibility must rest on anybody in his life who had the opportunity to influence his decision-making. Right from the beginning, first instructors, friends, co-workers all might have been able to say something to break the chain. We are more influenced by the opinions of others than we like to think. A friend relating a story of a friend of a friend doing something sketchy and getting away with it. A boss being just a little too insistent. An instructor being just a little too lenient. These are just a few of the many things that can start a chain of very small decisions that will lead to a fatal one.

There are old pilots, and bold pilots, but there are no old, bold pilots. Do you want to be an old skier, or do you want to get sent to oblivion by a steamroller of snow?

GrimesgThis is one of my close friends good buddies. We got a call yesterday right after this happened. They were well educated and prepared and the avalanche was remotely triggered. Insanely scary stuff. Be safe out there y’all.

It’s good to see these snowmobilers ended up safe...with that said, it’s important to note that they are out on a high danger day, sitting at the base of a clear avalanche path that appears to frequently slide, and also had their beacons in their backpacks... there are definitely some good lessons to be learned and it could have easily ended up a lot worse due to a bit of poor decision making

**This post was edited on Feb 7th 2021 at 4:34:23pm

skiermanTwo big groups, one triggering the slide and hitting another. I'm not surprised. Overcrowding and incredibly unstable snowpack issues were clearly present and everyone was pretending like nothing was going on despite unprecedented amount of slides and deaths in surrounding areas.

Do you feel bad for someone who shot themselves in the face playing Russian Roulette? That's how I feel. This wasn't a tragedy, it was fucking inevitable. Expect more of this in the next few weeks. Fucking sad.

Honestly hate to agree with you, but, I agree with you:/

still heartbreaking but people need to start making better decisions in the BC.

GrimesgThis is one of my close friends good buddies. We got a call yesterday right after this happened. They were well educated and prepared and the avalanche was remotely triggered. Insanely scary stuff. Be safe out there y’all.

Glad to hear your buddies are ok but please don't mention a remote trigger and act as if it was out of their control. You should be considering what would remote trigger onto you 100% of the time you are out in the back country.

Considering your friend was well educated, I’m curious what led them to that situation. Hanging out in a slide path during high danger conditions, having everyone in the same exposed zone at once, not doing a transceiver check at the trail head and then keeping it where it belongs, using his phone (that shot should be off), continuing to film as people are buried. If I saw goons like this where I was skiing I would have told them to go the fuck back to the city to be honest.

If you have a TGR account and tour rig you are being safe and everyone else are the idiots. FACT.

Film.What I gathered from this: anyone who has died due to lack of judgement, ignorance, or seeking a thrill is a someone who we should not feel bad for. Nor should we feel bad for the families because 4 experienced backcountry skiers died cause shit happens in life. You are a sick man, if anything were to ever happen to you say you die in a car crash because you were speeding I'd hope no one feels bad for you or your family because thats what you wanted? Shit happens sometimes and its tragic, you are fucked in the head if you read that headline and just go "fucking idiots should've read the report, now back to trolling on new schoolers.

For someone whose done so much crying in the covid thread about a virus that kills primarily people over 80 years old you sure don't give a fuck about the 20-40 year olds who all died because of one bad lapse of judgement. Get some help dude seriously. Life is precious we make mistakes and sometimes these mistakes are fatal but you still feel bad for someone and their friends/ family when it does happen. You do extreme sports you go mountain biking and freestyle skiing both very deadly/ risky sports. If you bashed your skull in on your mtn bike because you crashed and died should people feel bad for you? Mtn biking is RISKY maybe you shouldn't have been riding down that steep of a trail, etc etc.

Skiings dangerous when you exploded your brain on that tree it was clearly YOUR fault for skiing too fast in the trees and it should be used as a lesson. Enough of the drivers ed scare tactics bullshit dude, it's a tragedy and all 4 skiers that died were experienced with equipment but like I said before: SHIT HAPPENS.

Did you really just bring up covid in this thread? Weren't you one of those people saying how covid isn't a big deal and who cares if mainly old people die from covid? Bro covid kills more 20-40 year olds in a month than winter sports ever ever have and ever will have. Let's try and stay on topic but let's set the record straight that you have no place telling skierman off when you did the same thing but worse for the past year.

f100prerunnerIt’s good to see these snowmobilers ended up safe...with that said, it’s important to note that they are out on a high danger day, sitting at the base of a clear avalanche path that appears to frequently slide, and also had their beacons in their backpacks... there are definitely some good lessons to be learned and it could have easily ended up a lot worse due to a bit of poor decision making

**This post was edited on Feb 7th 2021 at 4:34:23pm

hemlockjibber8Glad to hear your buddies are ok but please don't mention a remote trigger and act as if it was out of their control. You should be considering what would remote trigger onto you 100% of the time you are out in the back country.

Considering your friend was well educated, I’m curious what led them to that situation. Hanging out in a slide path during high danger conditions, having everyone in the same exposed zone at once, not doing a transceiver check at the trail head and then keeping it where it belongs, using his phone (that shot should be off), continuing to film as people are buried. If I saw goons like this where I was skiing I would have told them to go the fuck back to the city to be honest.

I agree with what you said and I hadn’t read the Instagram post before commenting. All I knew was what my friend who knows them told me. Definitely lessons to be learned; and in addition to prepping gear correctly, getting out of the way of the avalanche rather than filming it would have been smart.

For sure something everyone can learn from in this situation.

.squirrely.

Caltopo of the area, its the triangle bowl kinda zone in the middle. Anything darker than yellow is 32+ degree slope AKA avalanche terrain. And the whole slope is dead N facing, in an area with some of the weakest/ thinnest pack in the wasatch. Cant find a working wx station around there but probably picked up at least 12-18in of pretty dense snow plus really strong W wind over the past few days. The zone with no shading would be great low angle tree skiin but getting too close to that west ridge is bad news. Also possible to remotely trigger that ridge from the lower section given how dog shit and connected our snowpack is right now

not trying to armchair quarterback here at all, terribly tragic event. Fack

Naw dude you sound pretty knowledgeable.

the only thing i do when i ski deep pow in bc areas is the double cross cut test where you ski across a face, hike up 10 feet and ski another cross cut above the first to see if it calves off a section. Id like to get an air bag thing at some point bc they seem to be pretty amazing at saving ppl.

very sad but dying in an avalanche is one of the best ways to go if ur gonna go. Everybody thinks ur a badass.

Better at least than accidentally autoerotic asphyxiating yourself to death.

DolansLebensraumNaw dude you sound pretty knowledgeable.

the only thing i do when i ski deep pow in bc areas is the double cross cut test where you ski across a face, hike up 10 feet and ski another cross cut above the first to see if it calves off a section. Id like to get an air bag thing at some point bc they seem to be pretty amazing at saving ppl.

very sad but dying in an avalanche is one of the best ways to go if ur gonna go. Everybody thinks ur a badass.

Better at least than accidentally autoerotic asphyxiating yourself to death.

Who are you in real life

Film.Drug overdoses are preventable too, we still mourn and cry for those who die from them. Have some fucking sympathy for the love of god, people make mistakes. All 4 of them died, no one made it out, they didn't trigger a slide and kill some undeserving party below them either. They made a big mistake it affected no one else but themselves.

You probably didn't mourn for the death of Kobe Bryant either did you? "It was foggy they shouldn't have been flying, fucking idiot pretty much deserved to die it was bound to happen."

Plain and simple you need help, you are really fucked up in the head.

dude your a fuckin idiot
we average an od a day in utardia and no one crys, mourns or even mentions it
1 person who was skippin a lap up top didnt die and yes the 4 skinning up on their 3rd lap
did trigger a slide onto the party below them

and fuck yes it did affect my sar friends hard

eheathholy shit i just saw this
https://www.instagram.com/p/CK-ROvllWty/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

Jesus how do you just sit there for 10
seconds before you realize that wall of snow is actually going to reach you....

i mean the video is incredible but if youre on sled, gtf out of there...

PeppermillRenoIf you have a TGR account and tour rig you are being safe and everyone else are the idiots. FACT.

and not having a touring rig or a tgr account makes you a aging sad stokeless gum flapper on a dieing skirttle kid forum that the fat kid is so proud of moderating down the toliet

SFBv420.0and not having a touring rig or a tgr account makes you a aging sad stokeless gum flapper on a dieing skirttle kid forum that the fat kid is so proud of moderating down the toliet

Wtf is a skirttle kid

It’s awful to hear about this stuff
thoughts and prayers to the families of the victims