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Toe piece clicking when buttering - fks 120 aka Look Pivot 12

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BradFiAusNzCoCa
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Hi all,

So I got my FKS 120s put on some skis in around November. I started messing around with buttering on these new skis and I noticed right away this kind of “clicking”. It almost feels like something moves. Like my toe is rising or something.

I’m pretty sure it’s the toe wings rising or my toe height is incorrect. The only time I’ve had something like this was with some tyrolia attacks and it was an easy fix by adjusting the toe height.

The problem is that I can’t adjust the toe height on these bindings. The past two skis I had these bindings on were stiffer underfoot so maybe it’s something to do with the ski flexing more underfoot and how the bindings interact with my boot? I don’t know.

It hasn’t caused an issue but it has me wondering.

Anyone else have any experience with something like this?
Feb 3 2021 3:45PM
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rubberpantaloons
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Your boots are probably too worn down in the toe, pivot/fks have self adjusting afd height
Feb 3 2021 5:21PM
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BradFiAusNzCoCa
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I just checked it. Tiny wear in front but nothing that affects the actual height. I can see where the white of the toe wings scrapes on my boot from movement too. I can make the sound with my hand if I pull up on the toe wings too

Maybe if I increase my din or maybe I’ve taken the 120s to their limit? I’m thinking that I’m initiating the vertical elasticity of the toe wings.
rubberpantaloonsYour boots are probably too worn down in the toe, pivot/fks have self adjusting afd height


**This post was edited on Feb 4th 2021 at 5:16:16am
Feb 4 2021 5:14AM
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JacobCampos
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Hey OP just curious if you ever were able to figure out your problem?
I have a similar situation.
May 3 2021 10:55PM
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BradFiAusNzCoCa
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Nope. Never did.
JacobCamposHey OP just curious if you ever were able to figure out your problem?
I have a similar situation.
May 3 2021 11:11PM
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BradFiAusNzCoCa
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My theory is loose toe wings or din needs to be higher. It’s only on low speed and it doesn’t affect performance for me.
what is yours like?
JacobCamposHey OP just curious if you ever were able to figure out your problem?
I have a similar situation.
May 3 2021 11:15PM
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JacobCampos
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BradFiAusNzCoCaMy theory is loose toe wings or din needs to be higher. It’s only on low speed and it doesn’t affect performance for me.
what is yours like?


Similar clicking, I have some non GW 14s that when just sitting on the floor in boots i can make the wing pieces click. I can also do it by hand, just trying to figure out if it could be problematic. Forward pressure is right on the mark.
May 4 2021 12:20AM
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BradFiAusNzCoCa
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Sounds like exact same issue as mine
JacobCamposSimilar clicking, I have some non GW 14s that when just sitting on the floor in boots i can make the wing pieces click. I can also do it by hand, just trying to figure out if it could be problematic. Forward pressure is right on the mark.
May 4 2021 12:34AM
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kalle.
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forward pressure issue maybe?
May 4 2021 11:46AM
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JacobCampos
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kalle.forward pressure issue maybe?


Forward pressure indicator is lined up just fine
May 4 2021 3:13PM
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weastcoat
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rubberpantaloonsYour boots are probably too worn down in the toe, pivot/fks have self adjusting afd height


How? It seems fixed in place and non adjustable
May 4 2021 10:09PM
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shin-bang
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Similar problem with a pair of fourteens. I just rode them for a couple more years then swapped out. Interesting issue tho
May 9 2021 9:17PM
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Chunderface
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What year are the bindings and are they WTR? If so, this thread might help.

https://www.newschoolers.com/forum/thread/868673/Problem-with-17-18-Pivot-14-WTR

**This post was edited on May 9th 2021 at 9:37:47pm
May 9 2021 9:35PM
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BradFiAusNzCoCa
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Mine are not. I had those same WTRs in same color. I think they were recall year too. Mine weren’t part of recall (according to the stamp on heel) but I did have play in the heel
skeirmanWhat year are the bindings and are they WTR? If so, this thread might help.

https://www.newschoolers.com/forum/thread/868673/Problem-with-17-18-Pivot-14-WTR

**This post was edited on May 9th 2021 at 9:37:47pm
May 9 2021 10:19PM
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bananaman123431
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Also have this problem on pivot 12s, maybe the toe pieces are bad?
BradFiAusNzCoCaHi all,

So I got my FKS 120s put on some skis in around November. I started messing around with buttering on these new skis and I noticed right away this kind of “clicking”. It almost feels like something moves. Like my toe is rising or something.

I’m pretty sure it’s the toe wings rising or my toe height is incorrect. The only time I’ve had something like this was with some tyrolia attacks and it was an easy fix by adjusting the toe height.

The problem is that I can’t adjust the toe height on these bindings. The past two skis I had these bindings on were stiffer underfoot so maybe it’s something to do with the ski flexing more underfoot and how the bindings interact with my boot? I don’t know.

It hasn’t caused an issue but it has me wondering.

Anyone else have any experience with something like this?
Dec 22 2021 11:48AM
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BradFiAusNzCoCa
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I’ve got some new pivot 12s on another pair that don’t have the issue. I am using different boots so maybe the toe was worn down on the boot I was using?
bananaman123431Also have this problem on pivot 12s, maybe the toe pieces are bad?
Dec 22 2021 12:15PM
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hot.pocket
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Post pics of your boots and bindings.
Dec 22 2021 1:54PM
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BradFiAusNzCoCa
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I would but those boots and bindings are a continent away right now. Maybe I can take a picture in February when I’m across the pond again
hot.pocketPost pics of your boots and bindings.
Dec 23 2021 12:23PM
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hot.pocket
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BradFiAusNzCoCaI would but those boots and bindings are a continent away right now. Maybe I can take a picture in February when I’m across the pond again


Do you know the model and year of your boots?
Dec 23 2021 1:03PM
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BradFiAusNzCoCa
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16-17 tecnica Mach1 130 LV 26.5. Bindings are FKS 120 2016.

Ive got some Mach1 120 LV same size and year here with new pivot 12s and I don’t have the issue so could be the other boots.
hot.pocketDo you know the model and year of your boots?
Dec 23 2021 1:46PM
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skiP.E.I.
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BradFiAusNzCoCa16-17 tecnica Mach1 130 LV 26.5. Bindings are FKS 120 2016.

Ive got some Mach1 120 LV same size and year here with new pivot 12s and I don’t have the issue so could be the other boots.

Can'thelp with your issue, but how do you like those boots?
Dec 23 2021 2:43PM
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BradFiAusNzCoCa
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Love them. Have to blow out parts of the forefoot but heel hold is phenomenal.
skiP.E.I.Can'thelp with your issue, but how do you like those boots?
Dec 23 2021 3:32PM
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mc36000
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Check forward pressure. Fuck the indicator on the heel, just give the boot a solid wiggle after engaging it and adjust pressure until the clicking and excess movement goes away
Dec 23 2021 4:50PM
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BradFiAusNzCoCa
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This could be it. Guy mounting them in Finland was rushing it a bit. When I got my newer setup checked with the machine, I was kinda shocked at how far they cranked down the pivot arms
mc36000Check forward pressure. Fuck the indicator on the heel, just give the boot a solid wiggle after engaging it and adjust pressure until the clicking and excess movement goes away
Dec 23 2021 5:10PM
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