Bode Miller rides Full Tilt

scratchskier321everyone who says go to boot fitter doesnt realize that 90% of boot fitters are straight shit. its a half true statement.

scratchskier321everyone who says go to boot fitter doesnt realize that 90% of boot fitters are straight shit. its a half true statement.

deathcookieI agree with this. I wear size 24.5 boots, and I know that 25.5s are almost always way too big. I've gone to a lot of bootfitters that are supposed to be good, and much of the time they don't have 24.5s in stock, so they try to sell me 25.5s. That's not good bootfitting and shit like that has made me lose trust in the "go to a boot fitter" saying.

When bootfitters don't have the right boot for you, almost all of them will try to sell you the wrong boot.

deathcookieI agree with this. I wear size 24.5 boots, and I know that 25.5s are almost always way too big. I've gone to a lot of bootfitters that are supposed to be good, and much of the time they don't have 24.5s in stock, so they try to sell me 25.5s. That's not good bootfitting and shit like that has made me lose trust in the "go to a boot fitter" saying.

When bootfitters don't have the right boot for you, almost all of them will try to sell you the wrong boot.

tomPietrowskiActually bode just wears a classic believe it or not. We did have stiffer tongues and spoilers for him but this season he just has the 12's. The one bigger mod he does do is change the ramp angle of the boot board but this is something which anyone can easily do. Other than that its a stock boot.

tomPietrowskiHonestly if they are doing this they are not boot fitters they are just sales men. No “boot fitter” would put you in the wrong boot as this is just asking for trouble and any good fitter will guarantee there fit so there is no incentive to sell the wrong boot as it will just cost them more in the long run.

BigPurpleSkiSuitdo you know which shops might carry a first chair 8/130 flex in Utah?

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Try those guys

AngryGrampsCan you elaborate on the difference between the shells on the Drop kick, Classic, and First chair? do they use the same plasics, and the biggest difference is the buckles/soles? or is there a difference in plastics as well?

animatorDrop Kick and Classic are the same shell, the differences are in the liners, colors, and tongues included. They are built on the Classic shell, which is the original Raichle Flexon mold. The First Chair is built on the Soul Shell, which is an adaptation of the Classic shell. It has a slightly roomier toe box and while both are claimed 99mm wide, medium volume, some tend to find that the Classic shells fit slightly lower volume.

CatdickBojanglesAre all the shells heat moldable? Or just the soul shells? I can’t remember.

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Try those guys

FUUUCKI know I'm in the minority here, but has anyone else tried FT boots and no longer be able to ski normally? I went from Lange RX 130s to Seth Morrison Pros a few years back and I felt like the tongues were non existent, when I drove my shovels it felt like the boot was going to fold forward.

207hold up?! you're telling me Jibij is still in business? Can someone elaborate, just that name alone is brings me back to a much better time in freeskiing.

danbrown7-8 years ago there was a shop right by the skating rink at PCMR called PowderHuffer, a bunch of homies worked at it, brady perron, his brother KP, a couple others. I think Jibij just bought Powder Huffer or they rebranded or something. I haven't heard about it in a while

FUUUCKI know I'm in the minority here, but has anyone else tried FT boots and no longer be able to ski normally? I went from Lange RX 130s to Seth Morrison Pros a few years back and I felt like the tongues were non existent, when I drove my shovels it felt like the boot was going to fold forward.

driftsI didn’t notice it for awhile but once I got on wider skis and started skiing harder terrain more often it started to really bother me, now on 130 Lange xt3s. I’d try another pair of full tilts if they really ratcheted up the stiffness, bodies got custom spoilers and tongues and that’s probably where I want the flex of a full tilt to be

driftsI didn’t notice it for awhile but once I got on wider skis and started skiing harder terrain more often it started to really bother me, now on 130 Lange xt3s. I’d try another pair of full tilts if they really ratcheted up the stiffness, bodies got custom spoilers and tongues and that’s probably where I want the flex of a full tilt to be

tomPietrowskiI actually don't think you would want what Bode has, they are stupidly stiff. We had a spare pair of his spec tongues that we sent to Sammy recently so I'm interested to see what he thinks of them.

But the new 130 tongue is pretty stiff that was derived from bodes feedback.

BigPurpleSkiSuitDon't tell me I don't want a 300 flex boot with Titanal

tomPietrowskihaha hey its your shin bones, Im just warning you exactly like I did Sammy, I did not want to be the reason he is out for the season haha.

tomPietrowskihaha hey its your shin bones, Im just warning you exactly like I did Sammy, I did not want to be the reason he is out for the season haha.

AngryGrampsHonest work keeping that man filming. Jah bless.

Just out of interest, have you ever had anybody try and connect the two vertical wings on the clog with carbon laminate? or bolt the clog to the upper? I only ask because I absolutely love the boot, as I said earlier the shape is the only one I have ever found that fits my foot, but a full tilt with stronger lateral flex could be the superboot of the century. Is there something I am missing here? does that make sense for real skiing or am I thinking too linearly about this. I am not an engineer but quite interested in design and absolutely love your boots....

tomPietrowskiI actually don't think you would want what Bode has, they are stupidly stiff. We had a spare pair of his spec tongues that we sent to Sammy recently so I'm interested to see what he thinks of them.

But the new 130 tongue is pretty stiff that was derived from bodes feedback.

driftsWait aren’t bodies tongues for the classic shells? Does Sammy getting those tongues mean there’s a classic shell with pins in the works?

animatorYeah I agree. As a fitter myself, if we don’t have what the customer is looking for, we try and look into special ordering something or tell them that their timing is just unfortunate. I will never try and just sell someone a boot for the sake of it, in fact my pitch is always, “there’s no pressure whatsoever to buy a boot from me, I just want to find a boot that makes your feet and wallet happy. If we don’t have anything that works for what you want to do, I’m not going to try and sell you something.” Any “bootfitter” who just throws boots on people for the sake of making a sale is in no way a fitter. 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

paige.I've had them go even further and refuse to sell to me. Shell fitted two boots then told me I may as well leave. Getting rejected by a date sucks, but by the recommended bootfitter when you desperately need new boots? That hits you where it really hurts.

I get it and respect that they wouldn't sell me something that wouldn't fit. But man it makes me anxious thinking about having to go through that whole rigamarole again.

Damian_SandersI've been in Flexons / FT's for almost 20 years, getting ready to build up a new pair (2015 Seths NIB) and came across this thread. Mods on current Konflicts - 10 Flex tongue size 28-29 on 25.0 boot, aftermarket intuition power wrap liner, rigid foam boot board from 80's flexon, rear extra tall spoiler made from 1/8" Delrin, cable spreaders to keep them from hanging up on buckles, diy power booster straps. IMHO they are set up like DH race boot, I can readily control a 218cm plated DH ski and various modern skis in the 190's.

Have been waiting for a 95mm plug of the classic lower.

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CatdickBojanglesSwap that power wrap for the new pro tongue and you’ll have a race boot. Recently swapped mine and it totally changes the boot for me. Wish I would’ve made the change earlier.

Damian_SandersHey thanks, I was looking at the new Intuition tongue liners.

https://www.levelninesports.com/intuition-tongue-red-low-volume-custom-liners/

My current liners are the 100% intution foam aftermarket style, they are way better than the normal full tilt liner.

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CatdickBojangleshttps://fulltiltboots.com/en-us/p/ft-pro-tongue-liner

Damian_SandersYeah thanks, those look good and I'm sure they are better than the old FT liner especially if your tongues aren't stiff enough, but I'm looking for 100% heat moldable foam so that means the intuition aftermarket version. The FT liners are about half normal foam for their thickness. You can oven heat the IT liner an get compression on all the foam making it fairly stiff.

Keep in mind I've got an oversized, 10 flex tongue on my boot, it's about 140 flex with the powerwrap liner. I'm about 6'1" and 225lb

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tomPietrowskiOpen cell foam is actually only around 30% of the liner and is only used next to the foot for the out of the box feel and also to add warmth. All layers of foam which actually mold in the liners are Ultralon, the same used in Intuition liners, so you will get the same level of molding but some added comfort and warmth with FT liners. The Pro tongue for example uses 2mm of MD Ultralon and 7mm of HD ultralon which is the same thickness of ultralon used in the Intution HD race liner for example.

Now I'm not trying to say one is better than they other, they are both great options, but I would not dismiss the FT liners, if you dig into them you will potentially find a few reasons to try them out.

Damian_SandersThanks. So stick with aftermarket Intuition.

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>old thread but thought I'd post up for the info.

The new FT Pro liner is nothing close to a high density Intuition. I don't know where FT asked China to put the 7mm high density Ultralon, but I'm guessing the heel. The rest is a combination of 4mm open cell and 2mm Ultralon. Compare that to a Power Wrap made entirely out of high density Ultralon: 12mm body and 7mm sole.

tomPietrowskiWhere was this from, I can tell you its not correct haha. Unless Italy is now a part of China :)

And comparing a powerwrap to the pro tongue is going to be different of course. The placement of the foams is different and having both in hand you can argue the intuition is stiffer, but remember its also not lasted to the boot in the same way so there will be positives and negatives for both.

Again though, I'm not saying one will be better than the other just that they are different and if one works better for you personally that's awesome.

Damian_SandersOk Tom.

https://www.newschoolers.com/forum/thread/876531/Full-tilt-liners

https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/search.php?searchid=28060387

Seriously man, you can't be comparing the aftermarket Intuition liners to Full Tilt's stock liners which have always been dogshit in comparison. Everybody knows. Maybe this new tongue liner is pretty decent, but I don't really care.

tomPietrowskiYeah I have the red pro tongue from intuition and the new FT pro tongue both in my office currently. like I said they are different but to say one is garbage is just wrong. But again if the Intuition works for you personally that's great.

Damian_SandersThey are vaguely similar but there's a massive difference in a liner with full HD intuition foam and custom fitment. I don't care that the FT liners are acceptable to be skied out of the box, IMHO that's a major defect of their design.

tomPietrowskiWell out of the box comfort is a big priority for a stock liner so there's that. But again if you like the intuition that's great, the FT liners are working really well for many other people.

Damian_SandersThey are vaguely similar but there's a massive difference in a liner with full HD intuition foam and custom fitment. I don't care that the FT liners are acceptable to be skied out of the box, IMHO that's a major defect of their design.

animatorDude Tom is the fucking product manager for K2 Sports I think the man knows what he’s talking about 😂😂😂 Intuitions technology is in FTs liners anyway so saying one is dogshit is stupid. I have ridden the stock wrap liners that come with the First Chair boots and haven’t had any issues, and I’ve also had Intuition liners with no issues. Stop being a piece of shit and pretending to know what you’re talking about, arguing about this with Tom (who again, is literally the project fucking manager), is like arguing with Einstein about relativity.

Damian_SandersAm I supposed to be impressed? What are you fucking 5 years old?

Don't even get me started on how much shit K2's suck.

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animatorI’m not trying to impress you at all and neither is Tom, but you’re trying to tell somebody who is literally in charge of the product you’re berating, that’s he’s wrong about that product??

Damian_SandersNot trying. Am.