Bode Miller rides Full Tilt

SessionCool that they work for him. Not every boot works for every skier. That may be why "brainwashed" bootfitters don't put everyone in the same boot.

I feel like you should be more constructive with your influence.

JLevI spent years while at Full Tilt attempting to convince boot fitters and shops across the country that the 3-piece boot design was as good for people that rip groomers all day, as it is for skiers that ride park. Bill Johnson was the only American to ever win an Olympic gold medal in Downhill and he did it on the same 3-piece Raichle Flexon design FT uses today. He insisted the boot enabled him to ski faster by absorbing shock better than any other boot design, look back at the 80's and you'll see most racers on that boot. It's awesome now to see Bode Miller skiing FT, of which he has been for close to a decade now, contrary to what most boot fitters have been brainwashed by other brands to to believe haha

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/989483/SkiTalk-com-Interview-with-Bode-Miller---Crosson-Skis

tomPietrowskiBode is awesome to work with. The insights he brings to the table are crazy and things I have not even thought about. I think it’s awesome we get to work with so many different riders with different styles, it really helps with what we are working on currently.



But you know, I’m sure as well as anyone, that the hard part is still convincing people and in particular bootfitters to give full tilt a chance. I think what we are doing currently by re defining models in the line is really helping and you will see more of this moving forward into f22. The new liners have helped too but we certainly have more work to do.

These kind of questions are driving discussions currently as we are working on some new things. Hopefully we can find a balance of something people who have supported full tilt for years still love but also open the eyes of those who may have dismissed them in the past.

Bended_ToenailOne of the bigger shops in my town calls FTs "kids boots" and "only good for dedicated rail skiing"

tomPietrowskiThis is true of many shops and something we are working on how to change. 3 piece boots do have many advantages, not to say they are better then overlap boots just a different option. But shops often don’t look at it like this and just dismiss them.

it’s partly down to how well full tilt marketed to freestyle skiers that they got this reputation. So success in one area has almost hurt the brand. But the product is strong and people like Bode choosing to ski the boots just shows how versatile they are.

BiffbarfSorry J, I know you're real tight with full tilt and all, and you may not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like

SessionCool that they work for him. Not every boot works for every skier. That may be why "brainwashed" bootfitters don't put everyone in the same boot.

I feel like you should be more constructive with your influence.

BiffbarfSorry J, I know you're real tight with full tilt and all, and you may not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like

BiffbarfSorry J, I know you're real tight with full tilt and all, and you may not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like

JLevEXACTLY. This is why it's important for a boot fitter to keep an open mind offering more styles... including a 3-piece knowing every skiers will not fit best in only an overlap design.

animatorLmfao I got into an argument on Facebook with the official Apex boot page because I called their boots garbage and they tried to clown me 😂 unless you’re over 80 years old and don’t have the strength to put a boot on, Apex is dogshit. I’m a fitter so I’m all for different boots working for different people but I fucking hate these things, they’re like clown shoes 🤮

BradFiAusNzCoCaI remember, first time getting fitted for boots, I asked about a 3-piece boot and the guy told me they don’t have a good heel lock. Then he fitted me for a boot with too big of a heel/volume (I was new to correct fitting boots - my mistake). He would later be in one of my college classes and I realized that was NOT the guy I should have been bootfitted by.

SkibumsmithWhy was FT so slow to make updates to the original Raichle design and develop modern era 3-piece boots? I've owned FTs and Dalbellos and in my experience FT didn't stack up in performance or durability.

Butterytips69Buy Full Tilts

BigPurpleSkiSuitCan full tilt make a 3 piece style boot with the same low volume fit as the Salomon S Max 130?

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ASAPCarterLiterally went from that boot to a first chair 8. It was a little narrow at that bump by my pinky toe (idk what it’s called) but after molding the liner I was Gucci. More importantly, haven’t had shin bang ever since!!

OnederfulWould If I could Afford Them.... Not everyone can afford to purchase new boots. But ya don't see a lot of used full tilt boots.

drifts

So when’s the Bode Miller pro model carbon reinforced full tilt race boot going to come out?

OhJayI'd love to see a burly FT downhill boot that isn't just a First Chair with a 12 flex tongue slapped on. @tomPietrowski did some sort of mock rendering of a FT boot on his IG where it looked like the cuff extended/wrapped around the front like the Kryptons/2 piece boots (for more lateral power?) instead of cables. But I'm sure whatever Bode actually rides isn't/won't be what's made available to the general public.

OnederfulWould If I could Afford Them.... Not everyone can afford to purchase new boots. But ya don't see a lot of used full tilt boots.

tomPietrowskiActually bode just wears a classic believe it or not. We did have stiffer tongues and spoilers for him but this season he just has the 12's. The one bigger mod he does do is change the ramp angle of the boot board but this is something which anyone can easily do. Other than that its a stock boot.

driftsIs he just doing casual skiing on the more stock boots? Because the fulltilts I’ve seen pictures of him racing on were heavily modified with buckle changes and carbon spoilers

tomPietrowskiThose ones were modded to make them FIS legal but he is not doing that now. But the spoiler were just stiffer versions of stock ones as were the tongues. He then just used a buckle over the toe like we do on the ascendants for example. The only real change was the stand height. For the most part they really were not too different then a stock Classic Pro and what he is in now is essentially what you could buy today.

driftsany chance of getting those stiffer spoilers available to buy like the tongues?

tomPietrowskiif there was demand sure. But we don’t really hear much from people wanting to stiffen the cuff. But if there is demand we can do it but minimum order numbers mean it’s not the kind of thing we can just make a few pairs of.

tomPietrowskiif there was demand sure. But we don’t really hear much from people wanting to stiffen the cuff. But if there is demand we can do it but minimum order numbers mean it’s not the kind of thing we can just make a few pairs of.

SkibumsmithWhat do you gain from increasing the stiffness in the cuff?

IsaacNW82Just wanted to comment on the "different boots for different skiers"- absolutely and I can't stress this enough. I'll never forget a boot fitter in VT telling my brother there is absolutely no way he could charge hard in a boot softer than 120 flex, let alone a full tilt. (I ride big mountain in full tilt B&E's at 90 flex, my brother has a very similar style and ski setup). I can tell for you for MY skiing style and MY skis, nothing works for 20 ft cliffs, fast chunder run outs, and sketchy back flips like a FT B&E. I usually ride pretty loose and centered, with too-long and on the softer side powder skis mounted a little behind center, and a boot that allows your balance point to wander over the skis somewhat while still holding you tight and in control (and thus tolerates small mistakes much more) works for my skiing style very well.

But I also have a friend who rides shorter, stiffer powder skis mounted dead center with a stiff Dalbello boot and absolutely crushes it. I don't tell him he needs a FT noodle on his feet, and he doesn't push me into a stiff rock of a boot. Different styles. A boot fitter is probably most qualified to tell you how get a boot that fits, but (IMO), they often fail to make sure it's the boot that fits your style and ski set up. IF you know what works for, you don't let a boot fitter talk you into something else

JLevHell I don't even personally ski FT anymore, because as I got older my foot changed in shape and now a Lange is fitting me better....