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Being good at park doesnt make you a good skier

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b00mSkis
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I mean think about it, if ur in the air so what if you have skis on your feet, you are just spinning around.. no different off a trampoline or diving board... you think doing a triple frontflip off a diving board makes you a good swimmer?
what you do in the AIR makes you a good acrobat... not a good skier.
so if you do big jumps and do big tricks, that makes you a good ACROBAT.. I guess you are a good skier if you dont fall on the landing, but if you straight air, or 1260 spin, it makes no difference to how good skier you are if you land the same jump and dont fall. doing the 1260 spin just makes you a better acrobat.
Jan 5 2021 12:02AM
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MaimHelp
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I always see kids super fucking good at rails but they ski so awkwardly up to features
Jan 5 2021 12:05AM
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2p2
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b00mSkisI mean think about it, if ur in the air so what if you have skis on your feet, you are just spinning around.. no different off a trampoline or diving board... you think doing a triple frontflip off a diving board makes you a good swimmer?
what you do in the AIR makes you a good acrobat... not a good skier.
so if you do big jumps and do big tricks, that makes you a good ACROBAT.. I guess you are a good skier if you dont fall on the landing, but if you straight air, or 1260 spin, it makes no difference to how good skier you are if you land the same jump and dont fall. doing the 1260 spin just makes you a better acrobat.


Most skiers that ride park are going to be pretty good at ski down hill. If they are comfortable enough to hit that big of a jump, to spin a 1260 or whatever, they are mostly pretty skilled on skis. Most of the people I know that ski park first started off as a racer or just back country skiing so are very good all-around skiers.
Jan 5 2021 12:18AM
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b00mSkis
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srgtmillsMost skiers that ride park are going to be pretty good at ski down hill. If they are comfortable enough to hit that big of a jump, to spin a 1260 or whatever, they are mostly pretty skilled on skis. Most of the people I know that ski park first started off as a racer or just back country skiing so are very good all-around skiers.

yes I am not taking about that, I am saying doing a 1260 spin doesnt MAKE someone a good skier. they can still be a good skier.. but that is a different fact.
Jan 5 2021 12:19AM
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2p2
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b00mSkisyes I am not taking about that, I am saying doing a 1260 spin doesnt MAKE someone a good skier. they can still be a good skier.. but that is a different fact.


thats true, but spinning is part of park skiing.
Jan 5 2021 12:31AM
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b00mSkis
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srgtmillsthats true, but spinning is part of park skiing.


yes exactly so what I am saying is, park skiing isnt really skiing.. at least not exactly.
Jan 5 2021 12:40AM
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Granby_killdozer
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If you can spin a 12 you're a good skier lol. Balance, coordination, endurance, and balls are what you need to be a great all around skier. The only thing the park rats tossing dub corks might be lacking is the endurance part but that's not that hard to get. If you're athletic then you're athletic, if you're not you're not.
Jan 5 2021 1:06AM
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b00mSkis
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Craw_DaddyIf you can spin a 12 you're a good skier lol. Balance, coordination, endurance, and balls are what you need to be a great all around skier. The only thing the park rats tossing dub corks might be lacking is the endurance part but that's not that hard to get. If you're athletic then you're athletic, if you're not you're not.

athletic is not the same as good skier, most people spin 1260 cant ski double black diamonds usually, at least not fast if its icy
Jan 5 2021 1:07AM
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Granby_killdozer
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b00mSkismost people spin 1260 cant ski double black diamonds usually, at least not fast if its icy

Did you conduct a study where you interviewed people who could do 12s or something? I can tell you from experience that what you're saying isn't true. The skills translate over very well from park to big mtn. Especially when you're dropping cliffs and gettin PITTED.

**This post was edited on Jan 5th 2021 at 1:28:10am
Jan 5 2021 1:11AM
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dolanslebensraum
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It absolutely does though op. Youre wrong.

its like practicing 360 slam dunks all day with the hope of becoming a better basketball player.

obviously there is more to basketball than slam dunks, but doing 360 slams all day is going to improve your ups and your coordination which will both help you become a better bball playa.

To do a 3 or a 5 or a 7 in the park you have to learn to be coordinated and to think fast as well as have a better full body awareness. All these things will help you become a better skier outside the park.

obv if u want to be the best at pow or moguls, then doing pow runs and moguls all day will make you better at those options than hitting kickers.

but assuming you want to be the best pow skier/mogul skier you can be, hitting jumps and learning spins will give you an added edge you wouldnt get from just doing pow runs and mogul runs.
Jan 5 2021 1:31AM
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drifts
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so basically you are insecure about not being able to do a 12 but you skied a double black diamond one time so that makes you a better skier than the kids who huck 12s?
Jan 5 2021 1:36AM
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dolanslebensraum
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Also, doing a 1260 requires a very real amount of athleticism and natural strength. So if some kid is throwing 12s in the park all day they probably will find downhill/mogul/backcountry skiing very easy, and if not then they will at least learn at a much faster rate than somebody who yardsales on a fucking kiddy jump.

whenever you see pro skiers like parker white who are genocidal park rats take it to the backcountry or big mtn pow lines, they always are just as good or better than the dedicated big mtn skiers.
Jan 5 2021 1:40AM
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sqeellicbic
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I kind of agree and kind of don't. There definitely is a difference between being good at all mountain and park, but if you are good at jumps then you're a "good" skier. You can't ski fast up to a booter and do a 12 without being a good skier.

Also, you act like people that are really good at park just go to the park on their first day on skis. No, first they actually learn how to ski and most people only enter the park after they've become better than average at all mountain.

I see what you mean but your argument is flawed. If you're learning triple fronts off of a diving board, chances are you are a good swimmer. Same thing goes for skiing.
Jan 5 2021 2:34AM
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dolanslebensraum
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driftsso basically you are insecure about not being able to do a 12 but you skied a double black diamond one time so that makes you a better skier than the kids who huck 12s?

Haha.
Jan 5 2021 2:38AM
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dolanslebensraum
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Found a pic of ops mom.




Im sure shes a really good electric shopping cart driver when she is in a parking lot. Being able to ride the shopping cart without falling off in a walmart doesnt make you a good shopping cart driver. It just means your good at walmart.

**This post was edited on Jan 5th 2021 at 2:49:37am
Jan 5 2021 2:49AM
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ScaryDumpTruck
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And the most retarded thread of 2021 goes to...
Jan 5 2021 2:49AM
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dolanslebensraum
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ScaryDumpTruckAnd the most retarded thread of 2021 goes to...

Im almost positive op is a girl. Just look at her threads.
Jan 5 2021 2:53AM
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TOAST.
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Dont countries grab gymnasts that have never skied and teach them to do aerials for the Olympics? Not exactly what OP is saying but pretty close.
Also, the way OP went about this discussion just makes him sound like a jealous tool.
Jan 5 2021 6:12AM
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ericforman
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My experience: a lot of people who are good at rails are not great at big mountain / all mtn because they literally can’t practice it. Hence they ski a ton of rails on a 600 vert hill that gets 200inches a year of snow. This also goes the other way except for freaks like Eder.

Ive honestly never seen someone who can throw a dub off a big kicker who isn’t an absolute G everywhere on the mountain though.
Jan 5 2021 8:22AM
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SFBv420.0
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DolanReloadedAlso, doing a 1260 requires a very real amount of athleticism and natural strength. So if some kid is throwing 12s in the park all day they probably will find downhill/mogul/backcountry skiing very easy, and if not then they will at least learn at a much faster rate than somebody who yardsales on a fucking kiddy jump.

whenever you see pro skiers like parker white who are genocidal park rats take it to the backcountry or big mtn pow lines, they always are just as good or better than the dedicated big mtn skiers.

if you spent a fraction of the time you spend on others skiing
on yur skiing
youd suck way less
but yeah were still waiting for the dolans got dance game viddy
Jan 5 2021 9:50AM
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270on420out
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I’m convinced that people who say shit like “smh park rats arent good skiers” are just insecure because they themselves suck at park. Chances are if you’re good at park, you’re probably a good skier. Yeah you’ll have 12 year old spin to win skittle kids but most skiers who have the ability to throw down in a park didnt just inherit their skill from trampolines.

**This post was edited on Jan 5th 2021 at 10:24:59am
Jan 5 2021 10:24AM
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katrina
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MaimHelpI always see kids super fucking good at rails but they ski so awkwardly up to features


This is 100% story of my life.
Jan 5 2021 10:30AM
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eheath
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Y'all ever heard of aeralists? Not every aeralist is bad at skiing, but for example I heard from ppl on the US team that the china team doesn't even ski, they just hit jumps that's it.

**This post was edited on Jan 5th 2021 at 11:23:14am
Jan 5 2021 11:22AM
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c-fries
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OP you’re on crack.
Jan 5 2021 11:47AM
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skierman_jack
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Yes and no. There is a point where you can’t be good at park without being a good skier. You need good technique to carve spins and you need good edge control to perform a lot of rail maneuvers. So while skiing park exclusively won’t make you a good skier per say, you have to be a good skier to be good at park
Jan 5 2021 11:56AM
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WisconsinDogfart
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so if im good at sculpting but alright at painting im a bad artist?
Ops logic is flawed
Jan 5 2021 12:11PM
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eheath
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WisconsinDogfartso if im good at sculpting but alright at painting im a bad artist?
Ops logic is flawed


*hits blunt*
Jan 5 2021 12:16PM
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HAMNATION
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Don’t speed check you’ll knuckle it will hurt
Jan 5 2021 12:35PM
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GrandThings
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What if we're not good at either... asking for a friend
Jan 5 2021 12:37PM
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LightningBerk
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MaimHelpI always see kids super fucking good at rails but they ski so awkwardly up to features


lmao true
Jan 5 2021 12:50PM
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WoFlowz
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Ok bud I understand what your saying but you can’t be good park skier without being a good skier without being a good skier. Spinning a 12 isn’t exactly east you have to be able to ski into a large jump(usually has a steep in run) take off a steep lip and land on a landing usually as steep as most groomed double blacks, and then ski down that and then stop yourself. Not to mention most 12s aren’t sw12s your landing switch and skiing out switch. But it’s a discipline of skiing. Saying park skiers aren’t good skiers is like saying racers aren’t good skiers cause they all ski ice race courses and can only turn at gates.
Jan 5 2021 12:53PM
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VT_scratch
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Best example of this (snowboarding, but same shit) is Mark McMorris in the 2012 supernatural course. I put this on last week and couldn't believe how bad he was in the pow then. He was 19 years old and basically had just been riding park and competing in slope courses. I was dying laughing. check this out. 21:11

jump to 21:11
we all started somewhere....https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/987489/Red-Bull-Signature-Series---Supernatural-2012-FULL-TV-EPISODE-6
Jan 5 2021 1:24PM
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twerkphone64
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disagree. most kids who grew up just skiing all mountain all have the same wack style and can only spin on two axis. there is a reason why most of the big mountain/pow goats have a park skiing background...
Jan 5 2021 1:58PM
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eheath
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moist_velvetdisagree. most kids who grew up just skiing all mountain all have the same wack style and can only spin on two axis. there is a reason why most of the big mountain/pow goats have a park skiing background...


This might be the most incorrect thing I've ever read on NS. You ever heard of candide thovex?
Jan 5 2021 2:02PM
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SlitherySnake
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ScaryDumpTruckAnd the most retarded thread of 2021 goes to...


only took 5 days lol
Jan 5 2021 2:07PM
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albinoboy
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VT_scratchBest example of this (snowboarding, but same shit) is Mark McMorris in the 2012 supernatural course. I put this on last week and couldn't believe how bad he was in the pow then. He was 19 years old and basically had just been riding park and competing in slope courses. I was dying laughing. check this out. 21:11

jump to 21:11
we all started somewhere....https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/987489/Red-Bull-Signature-Series---Supernatural-2012-FULL-TV-EPISODE-6


Thats honestly painful to watch, I'm on a park team at my local resort and im lucky my coaches spend a ton of time with us in big mountain conditions. As a result we aren't the best park skiers for our age group but we have been trained to be extremely well rounded.
Jan 5 2021 2:44PM
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Pipe_Munky
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moist_velvetdisagree. most kids who grew up just skiing all mountain all have the same wack style and can only spin on two axis. there is a reason why most of the big mountain/pow goats have a park skiing background...





**This post was edited on Jan 5th 2021 at 2:51:13pm
Jan 5 2021 2:49PM
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BrandoComando
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VT_scratchBest example of this (snowboarding, but same shit) is Mark McMorris in the 2012 supernatural course. I put this on last week and couldn't believe how bad he was in the pow then. He was 19 years old and basically had just been riding park and competing in slope courses. I was dying laughing. check this out. 21:11

jump to 21:11
we all started somewhere....https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/987489/Red-Bull-Signature-Series---Supernatural-2012-FULL-TV-EPISODE-6


This is a really good example. Pretty humbling to see pros look like regular weekend warriors out there
Jan 5 2021 2:59PM
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c0rkmanJones
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OP raises a good point... to a degree. If you've progressed enough to be spinning 12s then you've most likely done a ton of skiing in your life, not to mention, on a lot of terrain. There's really no excuse to lack form as an all around skier by that point. However, there is a clear trend of kids getting into park skiing who learn how to do tricks before they develop as skiers in general (eg. look like complete idiots skiing up to a feature). Surely kids can get pretty technical on rails and even claim big jump tricks but still ski out of the park poorly. Seems like a lot of the best in the game had some blend of racing and moguls in their upbringings.
Jan 5 2021 4:08PM
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Skiamon
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Craw_DaddyDid you conduct a study where you interviewed people who could do 12s or something? I can tell you from experience that what you're saying isn't true. The skills translate over very well from park to big mtn. Especially when you're dropping cliffs and gettin PITTED.

**This post was edited on Jan 5th 2021 at 1:28:10am


can confirm this, park skiers have the balance that is needed in every other type of skiing, im a big mtn skier, not very good at park, but for example when i was like 9 and learned to ski switch, it opened up so many doors.
Jan 5 2021 4:24PM
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SPK_
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VT_scratchBest example of this (snowboarding, but same shit) is Mark McMorris in the 2012 supernatural course. I put this on last week and couldn't believe how bad he was in the pow then. He was 19 years old and basically had just been riding park and competing in slope courses. I was dying laughing. check this out. 21:11

jump to 21:11
we all started somewhere....https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/987489/Red-Bull-Signature-Series---Supernatural-2012-FULL-TV-EPISODE-6


Seems like that was a reality check for him, because I've heard he's been out riding pow quite a lot since then, and it shows now. What a long way he has come...

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/987512/Snowboarding-Alaska-Lines-with-Travis-Rice--Mark-McMorris---Craig-McMorris---Brothers-McMorris
Jan 5 2021 4:50PM
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dolanslebensraum
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SFBv420.0if you spent a fraction of the time you spend on others skiing
on yur skiing
youd suck way less
but yeah were still waiting for the dolans got dance game viddy

I dont follow. How do i spend time on other peoples skiing. Make more sense son
Jan 5 2021 4:53PM
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dolanslebensraum
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VT_scratchBest example of this (snowboarding, but same shit) is Mark McMorris in the 2012 supernatural course. I put this on last week and couldn't believe how bad he was in the pow then. He was 19 years old and basically had just been riding park and competing in slope courses. I was dying laughing. check this out. 21:11

jump to 21:11
we all started somewhere....https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/987489/Red-Bull-Signature-Series---Supernatural-2012-FULL-TV-EPISODE-6


SPK_Seems like that was a reality check for him, because I've heard he's been out riding pow quite a lot since then, and it shows now. What a long way he has come...

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/987512/Snowboarding-Alaska-Lines-with-Travis-Rice--Mark-McMorris---Craig-McMorris---Brothers-McMorris

Not to hate but based on those interviews in these vids mcmorris seems like a pretty boring person
Jan 5 2021 5:04PM
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dolanslebensraum
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270on420outI’m convinced that people who say shit like “smh park rats arent good skiers” are just insecure because they themselves suck at park. Chances are if you’re good at park, you’re probably a good skier. Yeah you’ll have 12 year old spin to win skittle kids but most skiers who have the ability to throw down in a park didnt just inherit their skill from trampolines.

**This post was edited on Jan 5th 2021 at 10:24:59am

This.



also worth mentioning tho, the kids who practice a trick 100 times into a foam pit before sacking up to do it on snow (cough* shawn white cough) dont deserve as much respect as the kids who just send new tricks in the park or bc it and trust their instincts.
Jan 5 2021 5:08PM
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OCoffey
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Lmao if spinning a 12 doesn’t make you a good skier than what does
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dolanslebensraum
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eheathY'all ever heard of aeralists? Not every aeralist is bad at skiing, but for example I heard from ppl on the US team that the china team doesn't even ski, they just hit jumps that's it.

**This post was edited on Jan 5th 2021 at 11:23:14am

Fuck china.

also I would have expected you sir to be on the side of the park skiers are good skiers, bc you were pretty good at park back in the day.
what made you go soft?
Jan 5 2021 5:14PM
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eheath
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DolanReloadedFuck china.

also I would have expected you sir to be on the side of the park skiers are good skiers, bc you were pretty good at park back in the day.
what made you go soft?


I think you're completely twisting my words, but tbf being good at park =/= good at skiing, but to be an above average park skier you need at last some skiing basics. I grew up ski racing and skiing moguls, those taught me how to ski and then I started skiing park.
Jan 5 2021 5:21PM
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VT_scratch
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SPK_Seems like that was a reality check for him, because I've heard he's been out riding pow quite a lot since then, and it shows now. What a long way he has come...

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/987512/Snowboarding-Alaska-Lines-with-Travis-Rice--Mark-McMorris---Craig-McMorris---Brothers-McMorris


oh definitely, he rips now. I always just assumed he always ripped and then saw that video and was blown away.
Jan 5 2021 5:25PM
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greensk1mask
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huh, never really thought about it that way but I guess your stye comes into play a little bit because when you do rails you have o be somewhat of a good skier for the balance and stuff but I mean ur not gonna see a kid with rental gear throw a double cork 1620
Jan 5 2021 6:38PM
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SlitherySnake
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DolanReloadedThis.



also worth mentioning tho, the kids who practice a trick 100 times into a foam pit before sacking up to do it on snow (cough* shawn white cough) dont deserve as much respect as the kids who just send new tricks in the park or bc it and trust their instincts.


well a lot of pros practice into airbags and stuff a lot before moving to snow because that is their career. Immediately sending something crazy with no airbag/foam pit practice for a pro is like a brand new stock market trader throwing 100's of thousands of dollars into some rando company that could very easily have a massive effect on the rest of their career/life
Jan 5 2021 7:26PM
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GrandThings
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Imagine going up to someone being like...

"Yeah that dub 12 was sick, but have you seen the way I'm linking my turns"
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