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I currently am on my second pair of ON3P skis, the 2019 kartel 98. I have lost about 6 inches of edge right under the boot. My second winter riding in them I noticed cracks in the edges. This winter, first day at mount snow the edge completely ripped off. I’ve tried gluing the edge back on. It stays for awhile but more and more keeps coming off. I emailed them about a warranty, but have heard nothing. Note, my first pair of ON3Ps, the Filthy Rich, snapped in half during a switch front flip and they generously gave me 40% which I used to buy the Kartels. I just feel like the amount of edge that has come off is a little insane for such an expensive ski. I also do not ski the park very aggressive (no disasters, occasional 270 on, no greater than 720 spins) we usually just lap the park, not pushing limits.
I was just wondering if anyone else had any problems, and also for recommendations on fixing the edgeless part. Was wondering if I could buy a strip of an edge, some type of filling to put in it, etc. Lmk, anything is appreciated at this point!
**This thread was edited on Dec 28th 2020 at 3:56:32pm
**This thread was edited on Dec 30th 2020 at 2:12:49am
OP be patient and wait for an email response. They’re pumpin out skis and usually reply within a day or two, I’ve never waited more than 3 days for a response. Scott and the team are super cool and I’m sure they’ll be able to help you out!
Those are the most fun skis I've ever ridden, but unfortunately I've wrecked 4+ pairs of ON3Ps in less than a season (I do ride a lot though) so for me it's not worth it to buy them at this point. Like I said though, such good feeling skis.
Crispy.Those are the most fun skis I've ever ridden, but unfortunately I've wrecked 4+ pairs of ON3Ps in less than a season (I do ride a lot though) so for me it's not worth it to buy them at this point. Like I said though, such good feeling skis.
They are the most fun skis I’ve ever ridden for sure.
sad to hear op, but honestly thats kind of to be expected. any ski smashing against a metal object will eventually blow up. sometimes skis die quicker than others. thats the name of the game if youre consistently hitting rails.
who knows, maybe scott or someone will have mercy on you. but where its rail damage.. probably not.
op that sucks. On3ps (are supposed to) have a rep for being indestructible, so im sure they will hook u up with a new pair for free.
if on3p asks you to remove this thread then that would be kind of an asshole move on their part tho; customers deserve the right to hear all the reviews of a ski companies products, not just the good ones.
**This post was edited on Dec 28th 2020 at 11:49:37pm
ive never really seen a point in paying double the normal amount for on3ps if u ski rails heavily. sure they ride extremely nice but the edges rip out at the same pace as a pair of lines. that being said i have been eyeing a pair of jeff108s for my non park related stunts lol
rubberpantaloonsive never really seen a point in paying double the normal amount for on3ps if u ski rails heavily. sure they ride extremely nice but the edges rip out at the same pace as a pair of lines. that being said i have been eyeing a pair of jeff108s for my non park related stunts lol
Yeah I had a pair of line steps for two seasons that I skied real aggressive in, they actual held up great. I bought my Kartel 98s as more of an all mountain ski, as I’ve gotten older I’ve drifted out of the park as much. That is why I’m pretty bummed they fell apart as bad as they did over two seasons, and not aggressive park skiing either
I wish I could say that is what sent the edges flying, sadly the final push was ona groomer at mount snow. Last run of the day and it bent into the ground like a break and sent me flying
How many days have you ridden them? 2nd season doesnt really say much, you could ride 2 days per season or 100.
In my experience ON3Ps dont hold edge any better than any other brand that focuses on park skis and has been around for years. It's all luck, sure there are things that can be done to reduce the chances, but all it takes is one bad rail hit to start an edge pullout.
Love me some ON3P skis but it is hard for me to justify spending full price to hit rails with them, but really that goes for just about any company, used skis ftw.
Also snapped a pair of Magnus 90, I usually dont ski very aggresive (no jumps that season, just pvc tubes). Best ski i've ever ridden. Customer service is really great.
TOAST.How many days have you ridden them? 2nd season doesnt really say much, you could ride 2 days per season or 100.
In my experience ON3Ps dont hold edge any better than any other brand that focuses on park skis and has been around for years. It's all luck, sure there are things that can be done to reduce the chances, but all it takes is one bad rail hit to start an edge pullout.
Love me some ON3P skis but it is hard for me to justify spending full price to hit rails with them, but really that goes for just about any company, used skis ftw.
Last season I only skied about 20 times. Didn’t get to ski much at college sadly.
cobra_commanderYa hit rails ya big dummy... What did ya think was going to happen...
Trust me I’ve been through my pairs but these kartels weren’t my strict park skis. I only skied 20 times last winter and it wasn’t all park. They edge gave out on a groomer my first day this year, that’s the only reason I posted this whole thread
When we go in the park we just ski through. I’m not hiking or hitting a million rails in one day, if at most we will spend 50% of a 4 hour ski session in the park. Again, not going crazy these past two winters, just going through casually. I’ve had my pairs of park skis destroyed, but for a 700 dollar ski that isn’t a sole park ski, the edge shouldn’t have crumbled like that. This post was for about help fixing it to preserve the dope skis that they are, or any support in contacting them
**This post was edited on Dec 29th 2020 at 10:25:43pm
jareda580When we go in the park we just ski through. I’m not hiking or hitting a million rails in one day, if at most we will spend 50% of a 4 hour ski session in the park. Again, not going crazy these past two winters, just going through casually. I’ve had my pairs of park skis destroyed, but for a 700 dollar ski that isn’t a sole park ski, the edge shouldn’t have crumbled like that. This post was for about help fixing it to preserve the dope skis that they are, or any support in contacting them
**This post was edited on Dec 29th 2020 at 10:25:43pm
Sorry to ruin your day but their edges aren't proprietary tech or anything. Yeah they're thicker which should help with cracking but they come from a handful of manufacturers that all ski companies use. If your edges break or pull out as a result of park use, it's not the ski manufacturer's fault. Why some seem to break when others don't is purely luck and how they hit that rail (assuming same thickness and composition). Also let's remember cold temperatures make metal less malleable, more brittle and prone to cracking. I see this thread type all the time across all brands and it's really annoying, especially on skis you got at a discount that they didn't have to give you.
My guess is that you didn't do a good enough repair and didn't notice the gap, then snow, or ice, and pressure exerted in a turn helped snow/ice force its way in or grab hold and pull the edge out. Think of the physics and forces exerted when hitting rails. Every time is different no matter if you hit the same rail 1000 times- it won't be the exact same.
IMO what separates on3p from other bigger brands like Line and Armada and Faction is their attention to detail and customer service. Skis are built to perfection. Thicker bases. Faster bases. Thicker edges. Stronger core components. USA made. Small company.... Those are all reasons why they cost more.
I do know they were on here a few months ago to address a similar post and said response times were extended due to covid.
As for edge repair, there's some guides out there for bad core shots and edge repair. You can do it. Also what kind of glue did you use? Epoxy? Did you clamp and let it cure (cure does not mean dry, it's much longer)?
My advice would be to stop giving more information in this thread that further harms any warranty claim you might have had. Perhaps you're right and it is a defect, unlikely, but just be patient. Send another email if you feel the need to. 1-2 weeks is nothing. Most big corporations take months to process warranty claims.
Rotten_TrumpkinsSorry to ruin your day but their edges aren't proprietary tech or anything. Yeah they're thicker which should help with cracking but they come from a handful of manufacturers that all ski companies use. If your edges break or pull out as a result of park use, it's not the ski manufacturer's fault. Why some seem to break when others don't is purely luck and how they hit that rail (assuming same thickness and composition). Also let's remember cold temperatures make metal less malleable, more brittle and prone to cracking. I see this thread type all the time across all brands and it's really annoying, especially on skis you got at a discount that they didn't have to give you.
My guess is that you didn't do a good enough repair and didn't notice the gap, then snow, or ice, and pressure exerted in a turn helped snow/ice force its way in or grab hold and pull the edge out. Think of the physics and forces exerted when hitting rails. Every time is different no matter if you hit the same rail 1000 times- it won't be the exact same.
IMO what separates on3p from other bigger brands like Line and Armada and Faction is their attention to detail and customer service. Skis are built to perfection. Thicker bases. Faster bases. Thicker edges. Stronger core components. USA made. Small company.... Those are all reasons why they cost more.
I do know they were on here a few months ago to address a similar post and said response times were extended due to covid.
As for edge repair, there's some guides out there for bad core shots and edge repair. You can do it. Also what kind of glue did you use? Epoxy? Did you clamp and let it cure (cure does not mean dry, it's much longer)?
My advice would be to stop giving more information in this thread that further harms any warranty claim you might have had. Perhaps you're right and it is a defect, unlikely, but just be patient. Send another email if you feel the need to. 1-2 weeks is nothing. Most big corporations take months to process warranty claims.
I respect the hell out of this post man. I never came on here to bash ON3P. Trust me I understand how easily skis get destroyed, I love ON3P to death. I was just very disappointed in how quick these skis blew out. You’re probably right, it is just shit luck. The edge was cracked in 3 separate places over about 4 inches. In the center piece that came out I used a super glue that was water proof and preferable for low temps. I used a clamp to hold it down over two nights before even taking it off. My main concern is now how do I fill the rest of the that hole. I intend to use them for slushy spring days at my local dumpy mountain. Any recommendations for a big deal of filler or some type of make shift edge?
I just want to clarify this thread was not intended to rip ON3P. I want to keep buying their skis. These kartels didn’t see the park like my Filthy Riches, line step ups, or 4frnt switchblades, which lead me sad to see them go so easily and so soon.
I would like to say to everyone that I’m not trying to put a bad name on ON3P. I realize now the wording for this thread may have not been the best, I don’t use NS much and I see now its iffy lol. This thread was simply to see if anyone had any similar problems, solutions on fixing, and any tips on contacting them besides an email or the warranty that I already filed.
I'm curious how you care for your skis after a day of skiing or where you store them? Are they kept in a place where they can freeze? Especially if they're still wet?
Make sure the skis are dry dry dry before you use it. Then make sure you read the bottle and let them cure for the full time.
Also see what on3p says back. If the warranty is denied they might be able to assist with repair tips. If not, I'm sure people here could provide step by step instructions to mcgiver it. Hit up on3p or your shop to see if they have any extra base material. If not could always use from old skis or buy online.
I'm curious how you care for your skis after a day of skiing or where you store them? Are they kept in a place where they can freeze? Especially if they're still wet?
Make sure the skis are dry dry dry before you use it. Then make sure you read the bottle and let them cure for the full time.
Also see what on3p says back. If the warranty is denied they might be able to assist with repair tips. If not, I'm sure people here could provide step by step instructions to mcgiver it. Hit up on3p or your shop to see if they have any extra base material. If not could always use from old skis or buy online.
**This post was edited on Dec 29th 2020 at 11:55:14pm
Yeah I wasn’t looking for free skis. Mostly just tips on repairs. I’ll definitely buy that epoxy. Do you think I just fill the whole where the edge was with something else before putting that? Or just put it all in there?
I went to my Local shop to see if I could buy any parts, glue etc, but they were super unhelpful. Was just some kids working who didn’t seem to know much. They just said “buy a new pair of skis” :/
**This post was edited on Dec 30th 2020 at 12:00:02am
jareda580Yeah I wasn’t looking for free skis. Mostly just tips on repairs. I’ll definitely buy that epoxy. Do you think I just fill the whole where the edge was with something else before putting that? Or just put it all in there?
I went to my Local shop to see if I could buy any parts, glue etc, but they were super unhelpful. Was just some kids working who didn’t seem to know much. They just said “buy a new pair of skis” :/
**This post was edited on Dec 30th 2020 at 12:00:02am
Omg lol "buy new skis".
Ummm maybe post some more pictures showing a top view and side view, close up and further back. I don't wanna give you bad advice so I'll defer to the people who do this stuff for a living. Maybe change the title to something like "edge repair help" or similar to attract more views by the right folks. If it were me, I'd be cutting out the base and putting a new edge piece in, but that's just me. The edge right under your foot is a pretty critical area.
Ummm maybe post some more pictures showing a top view and side view, close up and further back. I don't wanna give you bad advice so I'll defer to the people who do this stuff for a living. Maybe change the title to something like "edge repair help" or similar to attract more views by the right folks. If it were me, I'd be cutting out the base and putting a new edge piece in, but that's just me. The edge right under your foot is a pretty critical area.
Lol this is a dumb question but how do I change the title of this thread 😂? I’ll post some picture in here real quick
**This post was edited on Dec 30th 2020 at 1:25:45am
I was thinking of cutting off part of this edge from some old 4frnts. Has anyone ever done this before. Any glue recommendations for putting a piece of edge back in? Definitely will use the epoxy but idk if there’s some other glue I should use?
If there's any edge that is still pulling out cut it off a few mm in to where it's still solidly attached to the ski. Make sure it's real dry. File down the corners of the ends of the edges so they don't catch. Put some masking tape on your base to protect from the epoxy, then take a thin sheet of plastic or cardstock and tape it on your base so it sticks out to where your edge used to be so it makes a channel you can fill between it and the base. Mix up some g-flex epoxy and fill the channel to replace the edge. Use a hair dryer on the wet epoxy to push it in so it fills all the gaps, add more epoxy as needed. Let cure at least 24 hrs, then sand the new epoxy edge to round it off a bit.
Can't promise this will hold if you continue to use it on rails, but it's held for me for 2 years close to the tip and I'm about to do it underfoot tonight on my own skis.
If there's any edge that is still pulling out cut it off a few mm in to where it's still solidly attached to the ski. Make sure it's real dry. File down the corners of the ends of the edges so they don't catch. Put some masking tape on your base to protect from the epoxy, then take a thin sheet of plastic or cardstock and tape it on your base so it sticks out to where your edge used to be so it makes a channel you can fill between it and the base. Mix up some g-flex epoxy and fill the channel to replace the edge. Use a hair dryer on the wet epoxy to push it in so it fills all the gaps, add more epoxy as needed. Let cure at least 24 hrs, then sand the new epoxy edge to round it off a bit.
Can't promise this will hold if you continue to use it on rails, but it's held for me for 2 years close to the tip and I'm about to do it underfoot tonight on my own skis.
Will definitely try it. There’s not much to lose on the skis lol
On3p here, we are going to send you a new pair of skis but we want you to edit your thread and delete “ON3Ps falling apart” from the title.
Our whole business model revolves around the facade that our skis are indestructible, and your thread in its current form is literally going to put our bitch asses out of business.
regards,
On3p “
Sorry ON3p. I have no sympathy towards censorship and suppressing of consumer information in order to dodge accountability as you have attempted to pull off here.
On3p here, we are going to send you a new pair of skis but we want you to edit your thread and delete “ON3Ps falling apart” from the title.
Our whole business model revolves around the facade that our skis are indestructible, and your thread in its current form is literally going to put our bitch asses out of business.
regards,
On3p “
Sorry ON3p. I have no sympathy towards censorship and suppressing of consumer information in order to dodge accountability as you have attempted to pull off here.
He changed the title to get help with repair on my advice you cuck
This thread has nothing to do with on3p anymore: I just wanted to see if anyone else had a similar problem and tips for repairing it!!! Read the top!! Never asked for free skis or anything like that
**This post was edited on Jan 1st 2021 at 12:33:09am
jareda580Appreciate it a lot man. The ski community is supposed to stick together but idk why people get so hostile here
People get mad because it used to be kind of a “thing” on here for people to publicly trash ski brands for shit they clearly did to break them in hopes that the public call out would pressure the ski company to warranty the broken skis.
You might ask ON3P what they would charge to do an edge repair if you shipped them out there. You can buy edge pieces for this purpose too, there are some good YouTube vids out there but if you want it to go well probably just have a shop give it a go. TBH though I wouldn’t hit rails again on that repair even if it goes well.
CaseyPeople get mad because it used to be kind of a “thing” on here for people to publicly trash ski brands for shit they clearly did to break them in hopes that the public call out would pressure the ski company to warranty the broken skis.
You might ask ON3P what they would charge to do an edge repair if you shipped them out there. You can buy edge pieces for this purpose too, there are some good YouTube vids out there but if you want it to go well probably just have a shop give it a go. TBH though I wouldn’t hit rails again on that repair even if it goes well.
Yeah the skis are basically done I’m just trying to preserve for some fun spring days before they snap in half
Just leave the edge out and throw some epoxy in the gap. Re fill the gap as needed, especially where the edges end. And this shit happens on every ski at some point no matter how durable or shitty they may be.
On3p here, we are going to send you a new pair of skis but we want you to edit your thread and delete “ON3Ps falling apart” from the title.
Our whole business model revolves around the facade that our skis are indestructible, and your thread in its current form is literally going to put our bitch asses out of business.
regards,
On3p “
Sorry ON3p. I have no sympathy towards censorship and suppressing of consumer information in order to dodge accountability as you have attempted to pull off here.
You're a moron. If they really wanted to bury the thread they could have just deleted it. Scott is a mod here.
Appreciate you guys with the tips. I got some epoxy and cut an edge off an older ski (a 4frnt) and put it into the missing edge area. My dumbass realized I have a ski from an older On3p model, the filthy Rich that snapped in half years ago. Should have used that 😂. Oh well. These skis will find their use on a snowy day maybe.
There’s tons of tips you guys gave that I forgot while doing this with some friends, because of course they’re know it all’s. I’ll probably end up keep on fixing these for fun just to get better. Appreciate the support again!!
abar.How to fix:
If there's any edge that is still pulling out cut it off a few mm in to where it's still solidly attached to the ski. Make sure it's real dry. File down the corners of the ends of the edges so they don't catch. Put some masking tape on your base to protect from the epoxy, then take a thin sheet of plastic or cardstock and tape it on your base so it sticks out to where your edge used to be so it makes a channel you can fill between it and the base. Mix up some g-flex epoxy and fill the channel to replace the edge. Use a hair dryer on the wet epoxy to push it in so it fills all the gaps, add more epoxy as needed. Let cure at least 24 hrs, then sand the new epoxy edge to round it off a bit.
Can't promise this will hold if you continue to use it on rails, but it's held for me for 2 years close to the tip and I'm about to do it underfoot tonight on my own skis.
