What should I do?

katrinaWhat din are you riding? It seems weird you aren't coming out of your bindings and they are just blasting apart?

WoFlowzWhy would you buy another pair of on3p if this is the second pair you’ve broken?

CatdickBojanglesYou could have cracked the core with the force of the heel piece pulling up but I feel like that would take some really hard force. As far as skis go ON3P makes the Jeffs in a 102 now. Attacks have been super solid for me, I haven't really had the chance to abuse them but they are less finicky than my pivots and seem to ride just as good. Plus they are dirt cheap, might be my new go to binding.

BradFiAusNzCoCaFucking hell. Well, at least you know the tech did a good mount job lol
I’d say go for attacks. Can be found for such a good price point. I found some brand new attack 13s with a 110 brake for $98 from following a link on here.
I was snapping marker brakes and heel pieces when I was a grom and I’m not even particularly hard on bindings. Marker just isn’t reliable in my mind.

ConesForBreakfastFirst off lemme just say fuck Marker. I've blown out my heel piece multiple times now while landing 5s that feel mostly fine. Good rotation, spotted landing, maybe a little nose heavy but I've landed heavier. Anyway I did that again today and saw my brake broke, kinda sucked but whatever. Upon closer investigation, the point of failure was the actual mounting plate, as you can see in this picture.

Well I was getting tired of these shitty Griffons anyway so it's not that big of a loss. But wait there's more.

Right behind the heel the topsheet is cleanly cracked. The layer right below it seems to be intact but it is delaming. Last time this happened, the core was busted. Confirmed by ON3P, who kindly replaced it. This time, the flex still feels a bit different but not as clearly broken. What confuses me is, I clearly landed front heavy so how did the back break? Is it even that broken or can I keep skiing these?

Also, I'm looking for new bindings. I love pivots but I'm not sure if I want to have bindings that I can't adjust for different boots on these skis. They also are expensive af for not planning on buying bindings before today. A good price would easily be the dealmaker. Should I try Attacks or something else?
Also I'd love to have Kartels, but if I had to buy new, I wouldn't want 108 width anymore, but the Jeffrey 96 is definitely the lowest width I want, being as my park skis are 96s. What about the Wildcat 101s? Or other similar skis? Hopefully I can find a nice lightly used pair of ON3Ps can buy for cheaper but idk I'm open to ideas.

**This thread was edited on Dec 22nd 2020 at 10:00:22pm

MalskispowUnfortunately, that is what you get in regard to the durability of the griffon, as the binding is almost all plastic and is not made for repeated heavy impacts. Also, from the looks of it, your forward pressure may be off (you want the screw in the back to be flush, and from this angle it looks like it is sticking out. Your best option would be to try attacks which have developed a super solid reputation or suck it up and get pivots and have a consistent boot you ride with. You may be able to get a warranty from marker and get a new binding which you could sell because the plastic failed, but don't tell them you were ripping a jump line.

I would recommend anything other than ON3Ps, they don't hold up as well as they used to. Moments if you like chargier skis. Also in that category the black ops 98s are unreal. I have also heard some amazing things about the revolt 104. Hope this helps!

MalskispowUnfortunately, that is what you get in regard to the durability of the griffon, as the binding is almost all plastic and is not made for repeated heavy impacts. Also, from the looks of it, your forward pressure may be off (you want the screw in the back to be flush, and from this angle it looks like it is sticking out. Your best option would be to try attacks which have developed a super solid reputation or suck it up and get pivots and have a consistent boot you ride with. You may be able to get a warranty from marker and get a new binding which you could sell because the plastic failed, but don't tell them you were ripping a jump line.

I would recommend anything other than ON3Ps, they don't hold up as well as they used to. Moments if you like chargier skis. Also in that category the black ops 98s are unreal. I have also heard some amazing things about the revolt 104. Hope this helps!

animatorAnd as for the forward pressure, the screw on the heel piece needs to be flush when the boot in engaged in the binding, not when the heel piece is down like that. If you’re not legally qualified to give advice on binding adjustments don’t, because people could take the advice and really hurt themselves.

MalskispowI work in a ski shop and have seen my share of problems with them this year. This could very well be because ON3Ps are ridden harder, I have just seen them come in with problems more often. I have seen three pairs in the past month that have had screws getting stripped out or edges blown. I have no doubt that they are super fun skis. Just learned how to do binding work, so that is news to me. I was simply trying to offer some insight as to why the binding keeps failing. I appreciate the nugget about forward pressure being indicated when the binding is engaged, that is extremely good to know. Also, I did some extra research and ON3P has a phenomenal warranty department which I was not aware of, so they may still be a consistent bet.

animatorYeah no worries, we just aren’t fans of people who join and talk shit ab our beloved ON3P 😂 binding work takes time and experience so it’s best to leave advice for shop techs, we don’t want people to get hurt because they take our advice. Your intent was good so no harm, didn’t mean to come across as super brazen

MalskispowAll good my dude. This mans is adjusting his bindings himself from the looks of the post so it’s worth a look, but I agree when in doubt have a tech do it, people’s knees are at stake. I definitely still have some to learn about bindings. Maybe it’s time I try a pair of on3ps for myself... I need something that I can charge with on east coast ice but still job. Trying poachers this year but not sure if that’ll be the fix. Any recs?

animatorWhere on the east coast are you?

the poacher is a fire ski. Super durable, chargey, and with a little effort and technique you can still have fun and butter it Really versatile and sort of slept on when discussing all mountain twins. ON3P Jeff 98 would be comparable to the poacher. I have a 108 as my east coast daily but if 108 is too much (which it really shouldn’t be but east coast skiers are notorious for calling anything over 100mm wide a powder ski) then go for a 98. You won’t ragret it

MalskispowAll good my dude. This mans is adjusting his bindings himself from the looks of the post so it’s worth a look, but I agree when in doubt have a tech do it, people’s knees are at stake. I definitely still have some to learn about bindings. Maybe it’s time I try a pair of on3ps for myself... I need something that I can charge with on east coast ice but still job. Trying poachers this year but not sure if that’ll be the fix. Any recs?

animatorWhere on the east coast are you?

the poacher is a fire ski. Super durable, chargey, and with a little effort and technique you can still have fun and butter it Really versatile and sort of slept on when discussing all mountain twins. ON3P Jeff 98 would be comparable to the poacher. I have a 108 as my east coast daily but if 108 is too much (which it really shouldn’t be but east coast skiers are notorious for calling anything over 100mm wide a powder ski) then go for a 98. You won’t ragret it

ConesForBreakfastI did adjust it properly but by this point I can't really trust everything staying adjusted for long.

@animator is hooking me up with some pivots

ConesForBreakfastI did adjust it properly but by this point I can't really trust everything staying adjusted for long.

@animator is hooking me up with some pivots

MalskispowCan’t go wrong with pivots! They’re all I ski at this point and they last forever! @animator keeps shit real

MalskispowI’m all over, was formerly a racer (hence why I like stiff skis) but live in Mass so I hit Vermont and NH a ton. I go to school out in Colorado though so I like having a ski that can do both. I have a wildcat 108 for my daily out west. Finding a ski in the 90-100 underfoot range has been a battle. Started with a pair of fatypus d-roots which were solid at first but got cored out in less than a year to the point where they feel like pool noodles. I’m excited for my poachers because I’m hoping the carbon will help them keep their stiffness. If they don’t work then fuck it, I’ll see what all the hype is for! Where on the east coast are ya?

ConesForBreakfastI did adjust it properly but by this point I can't really trust everything staying adjusted for long.

@animator is hooking me up with some pivots

animatorI’m at UNH. Poacher is fucking awesome, almost bought one myself but don’t ski enough park anymore and I like wider skis. You’ll love it, and honestly I’m debating a Wildcat 108 as a daily for here.