Is On3p worth the hype?

DolansLebensraumHow can head and volkl sell adult skis in that price range then?

inb4 “chinamen”

Mass production. They can order more materials for cheaper. Just one of the many reasons.

CatdickBojanglesMass production. They can order more materials for cheaper. Just one of the many reasons.

Still tho, the way volkl and atomic and fischer and head make park skis is a person putting together the layup and putting it in the hydraulic press.



its not like the big companies have automatic factories that are puking out 10 skis a minute.

it has to be cheap labor. Volkl isnt going to be able to pay their factory workers less in germany than on3p pays its factory workers in the us. And the number of ppl needed to create a given number of skis is prob similar between volkl and on3p.

no?

Honestly every ski is technically “hand made”. It’s just the materials, level of care, attention to detail, process, etc.

Völkl contracts out their twin tips to china. Their other skis are made in Germany. The most expensive part is probably setting up the process/molds. Past that, I imagine it’s relatively cheap. They recycle some cores along different lines too

DolansLebensraumStill tho, the way volkl and atomic and fischer and head make park skis is a person putting together the layup and putting it in the hydraulic press.



its not like the big companies have automatic factories that are puking out 10 skis a minute.

it has to be cheap labor. Volkl isnt going to be able to pay their factory workers less in germany than on3p pays its factory workers in the us. And the number of ppl needed to create a given number of skis is prob similar between volkl and on3p.

no?

DolansLebensraumbla bla

Völkl Katana 108 list price at sport-conrad this year was 849,95 €.
On3p Jeffry/Woodsman 108 list price at on3pskis was $749.

DolansLebensraumStill tho, the way volkl and atomic and fischer and head make park skis is a person putting together the layup and putting it in the hydraulic press.



its not like the big companies have automatic factories that are puking out 10 skis a minute.

it has to be cheap labor. Volkl isnt going to be able to pay their factory workers less in germany than on3p pays its factory workers in the us. And the number of ppl needed to create a given number of skis is prob similar between volkl and on3p.

no?

If you are too dumb to understand economy of scale then you may be beyond help. And you are trying to compare huge companies owned by billion dollar conglomerates with a small company started by a Newschooler that builds a tiny fraction of what all these other companies do.

BradFiAusNzCoCaHonestly every ski is technically “hand made”. It’s just the materials, level of care, attention to detail, process, etc.

Völkl contracts out their twin tips to china. Their other skis are made in Germany. The most expensive part is probably setting up the process/molds. Past that, I imagine it’s relatively cheap. They recycle some cores along different lines too

I figured firms like volkl head fischer atomic would use china for their 400$ park skis and make their 1000$ race(ish) skis in the fatherland. The idea that chinese workers cant give as much attention to detail as a german worker is silly tho. Building a ski perfectly is not rocket science. Designing a competitive ski is rocket science but putting it together isnt. It may take alot of training but once you know the process you know it.



It would be alot of fun to design skis. I would just spend all day building different prototypes and then beat the shit out of the base and edges with a metal baseball bat to see if they stood up to the pwnage.

Im really excited to see next yrs head oblivions come out with the thick edges. I suspect (no, fuck you salomon) that when head gives the durability endeavor a full rogering its going to intrarectovaginally clownslam on3ps durability wise.

im not saying on3ps arent durable. Im just saying i think theres more to durability than just thick base/thick edges, and head might have more knowledge in its cabinet than on3p to help them make a bulletproof ski

aanevVölkl Katana 108 list price at sport-conrad this year was 849,95 €.
On3p Jeffry/Woodsman 108 list price at on3pskis was $749.

Meh. You can find great volkl skis for far less. On3p not so much.

SessionIf you are too dumb to understand economy of scale then you may be beyond help. And you are trying to compare huge companies owned by billion dollar conglomerates with a small company started by a Newschooler that builds a tiny fraction of what all these other companies do.

Mehsticles.

DolansLebensraumMeh. You can find great volkl skis for far less. On3p not so much.

But why is that? Why can Voelkl be found easily at half-price and On3p not so much?

aanevBut why is that? Why can Voelkl be found easily at half-price and On3p not so much?

Because on3p know that their customer base are almost always willing to pay full price, due quite simply to them having the name on3p on the skis. I've never skied on3p's, but from what I've heard they seem to make good skis, it's just that a lot of their customers don't really care about how the skis perform, just that their skis say on3p on the front. The same is probably true for Vishnu and Jetskis. It's all in the marketing. They do make good skis, but the reason why they're so popular is this 'we try to discourage word of mouth' type crap. It makes people want what they think they can't have. And it's also ruining the sport. These companies are actively denying people with smaller budgets by having their prices so high in the first place, and never putting them on sale, which many skiers, (myself included.) rely on to buy new gear, which means that their customer base is compromised mostly of rich spoilt teenagers who look at skiing as something to post on Instagram, not with the passion that many skiers enjoy. Volkl are pretty much an average ski company, without the cult following of on3p. They would never ever be able to get away with the prices of on3p, so they go on sale regularly like every other 'normal' ski company, otherwise they'd barely ever sell a pair of skis. (My sincere apologies for the rant.)

JacobthesadskierBecause on3p know that their customer base are almost always willing to pay full price, due quite simply to them having the name on3p on the skis. I've never skied on3p's, but from what I've heard they seem to make good skis, it's just that a lot of their customers don't really care about how the skis perform, just that their skis say on3p on the front. The same is probably true for Vishnu and Jetskis. It's all in the marketing. They do make good skis, but the reason why they're so popular is this 'we try to discourage word of mouth' type crap. It makes people want what they think they can't have. And it's also ruining the sport. These companies are actively denying people with smaller budgets by having their prices so high in the first place, and never putting them on sale, which many skiers, (myself included.) rely on to buy new gear, which means that their customer base is compromised mostly of rich spoilt teenagers who look at skiing as something to post on Instagram, not with the passion that many skiers enjoy. Volkl are pretty much an average ski company, without the cult following of on3p. They would never ever be able to get away with the prices of on3p, so they go on sale regularly like every other 'normal' ski company, otherwise they'd barely ever sell a pair of skis. (My sincere apologies for the rant.)

The skis don’t go on sale because they don’t have a crapload of extra skis due to the limited number of skis they build a year. If the skis sell out why sell them for less money? Believe it or not ON3P wants to put skis on peoples feet but it’s a us based manufacturer that prioritizes quality and durability over making the cheapest skis possible so the prices aren’t gonna be the same as an overseas mass produced budget ski. Also ON3P vishnu and jet skis are definitely not ruining the sport because they have hype skis aimed more at core skiers which makes them popular with better skiers which means worse skiers want them too.

JacobthesadskierBecause on3p know that their customer base are almost always willing to pay full price, due quite simply to them having the name on3p on the skis. I've never skied on3p's, but from what I've heard they seem to make good skis, it's just that a lot of their customers don't really care about how the skis perform, just that their skis say on3p on the front. The same is probably true for Vishnu and Jetskis. It's all in the marketing. They do make good skis, but the reason why they're so popular is this 'we try to discourage word of mouth' type crap. It makes people want what they think they can't have. And it's also ruining the sport. These companies are actively denying people with smaller budgets by having their prices so high in the first place, and never putting them on sale, which many skiers, (myself included.) rely on to buy new gear, which means that their customer base is compromised mostly of rich spoilt teenagers who look at skiing as something to post on Instagram, not with the passion that many skiers enjoy. Volkl are pretty much an average ski company, without the cult following of on3p. They would never ever be able to get away with the prices of on3p, so they go on sale regularly like every other 'normal' ski company, otherwise they'd barely ever sell a pair of skis. (My sincere apologies for the rant.)

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https://shop.on3pskis.com/products/factory-finds-customs

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I admittedly did mispeak about them never going on sale, and I did get a bit off-topic and I do apologise for that. This is probably a divisive topic, and I've just put forth my opinions. I'm not saying they're absolutely right, and there's every chance that on3p are worth the hype, and I could be wrong, all I was saying is that many of these cult ski companies are less accessible for the average skier than many more mainstream companies, which means many skiers might have to settle for lower quality equipment, which makes skiing less accessible in a time when that's something the ski industry really doesn't want to do.
Again, I am sincerely sorry if I have offended, and feel free to critique me if you want, they're just my opinions.