All Mountain Twin Tip Ski 100-108 Help

I find revolt 104 the "funnest" of thoose. but I have not skied the wildcat101/108 or vacation.

Besides messing around on groomers where else will you use it? Steeper lines off harmony / peak / glacier? Deep / heavy Whistler chop? Park?

do you like the mount point on the blackops or Brahma more?

I may add k2 reckoner 102

Hey man, thanks for all the information in your post. It's good to see some people willing to do that.

As for a ski, a lot of the options you mentioned sound good

Moment PB&J / 101- Definitely a good jib ski, but not the greatest for all conditions.
Moment Wildcat 108- Super-versatile ski that is not groomer oriented, but can hold its own on hardpack.
Volkl Revolt 104- I haven't skied this one yet, but from what I've heard it would be a good choice. @anders_a has experience on them if I remember correctly
ON3P Woodsman102- not super playful, and the Jeffery series carves pretty well, so I'd go with that.
Bent Chetler 100- One of the most versatile skis out there. Can charge off-piste and carve like a boss. It's playful enough for jibbing and stable enough for high speeds.
J Skis Vacation- Super playful and flexible dedicated jib ski. I would not choose this of you want a lot of stability.
Faction Prodigy 3- similar to the BC100 and Revolt 104, a bit more flexible, but still a good option.

I will also recommend the Moment Deathwish, Armada Stranger, and Lib Tech UFO 105.

The Deathwish has a 112mm waist but carves better than a lot of 100-110mm skis. I use this ski as my daily driver in the west. It charges like a pro off groomers, can carve really well (triple-camber bb), and I struggle to overpower it at high speeds and variable conditions. I would take this ski over any ski in the world, except maybe the Chetler 100.

Please note that I am yet to ski the Armada stranger, but my shop got a pair this week and my boss skied them today. He says that they are almost the perfect on-piste jib ski. @Twig wrote a review on them, too.

The Lib Tech UFO 105 is a really fun ski in a lot of conditions, and I think that a lot of types of skiers could have a lot of fun with this ski. Its speed limit is lower than other skis in this list, but it never really becomes unskiable. Probably not the best option, but I thought I'd mention it anyway.




I just realized how long this is :/ I guess I just like writing about skis.

I’m on some ON3P Jeffrey 102s this year. Definitely a little burly compared to my old sticks, but I love them so far.

K2 reckoner 102 :D

Thanks for all the thoughts so far guys.

anders_aI find revolt 104 the "funnest" of thoose. but I have not skied the wildcat101/108 or vacation.

How did you find carving on the revolt may I ask? Did it seem serviceable all over the mountain?

ericformanBesides messing around on groomers where else will you use it? Steeper lines off harmony / peak / glacier? Deep / heavy Whistler chop? Park?

do you like the mount point on the blackops or Brahma more?

I may add k2 reckoner 102

Not really in whistler chop, I'd likely be on the Black Ops on those days.

I'd probably be using it on Peak, Harmony black and harder blue runs etc. Only attempted a couple of double blacks. Still learning the mountains so actually done Blackcomb Glacier yet, but yeah, that kind of terrain.

I like both skis, but I would say I like the black ops at -5 mount more, as it allows for both charging + switch and the odd spin, whereas the Brahma feels more 1 dimensional over all.

Bended_ToenailHey man, thanks for all the information in your post. It's good to see some people willing to do that.

As for a ski, a lot of the options you mentioned sound good

Moment PB&J / 101- Definitely a good jib ski, but not the greatest for all conditions.
Moment Wildcat 108- Super-versatile ski that is not groomer oriented, but can hold its own on hardpack.
Volkl Revolt 104- I haven't skied this one yet, but from what I've heard it would be a good choice. @anders_a has experience on them if I remember correctly
ON3P Woodsman102- not super playful, and the Jeffery series carves pretty well, so I'd go with that.
Bent Chetler 100- One of the most versatile skis out there. Can charge off-piste and carve like a boss. It's playful enough for jibbing and stable enough for high speeds.
J Skis Vacation- Super playful and flexible dedicated jib ski. I would not choose this of you want a lot of stability.
Faction Prodigy 3- similar to the BC100 and Revolt 104, a bit more flexible, but still a good option.

I will also recommend the Moment Deathwish, Armada Stranger, and Lib Tech UFO 105.

The Deathwish has a 112mm waist but carves better than a lot of 100-110mm skis. I use this ski as my daily driver in the west. It charges like a pro off groomers, can carve really well (triple-camber bb), and I struggle to overpower it at high speeds and variable conditions. I would take this ski over any ski in the world, except maybe the Chetler 100.

Please note that I am yet to ski the Armada stranger, but my shop got a pair this week and my boss skied them today. He says that they are almost the perfect on-piste jib ski. @Twig wrote a review on them, too.

The Lib Tech UFO 105 is a really fun ski in a lot of conditions, and I think that a lot of types of skiers could have a lot of fun with this ski. Its speed limit is lower than other skis in this list, but it never really becomes unskiable. Probably not the best option, but I thought I'd mention it anyway.




I just realized how long this is :/ I guess I just like writing about skis.

haha, well thanks for all the info dude.

My hesitation with the Jeffrey is the super centered mount, I'm at -6 on the Black Ops. I do like to get forward in my skis when I'm charging, and hear the Jeffrey isn't the best for that?

What conditions did you find the pb&j lacking in? That was one of my frontrunners due to the stifness and alleged groomer performance, while still being quite lightweight.

If I didn't have the Black Ops, I'd probably just get the Deathwish, as I hear good things, but I think I think there may be too much overlap just due to the width. How do you find the Deathwish for spins and flicking it about etc?

Bent Chetler is defs also a front runner, my friend also has one and loves it.

**This post was edited on Dec 15th 2020 at 12:23:56am

ShredtheGnarSlayThanks for all the thoughts so far guys.

How did you find carving on the revolt may I ask? Did it seem serviceable all over the mountain?

Super surprised at how good they are! reccomended mount is -1.75!

You need to prioritize how chargy you want them, it will take something away from the fun/jibby/park aspect.

I *love* chargy twintips, and I've skied a lot on the 102FR with mount bumped forward, its a better carving ski for higher speeds than the revolt 104, but its less fun for park related stuff like rails or rotations, but quite good to go switch on. new CT 2.0 2021 will probably be even more there to chargy/fast side, I havent tried it yet, putting binders on tomorrow I think as its dumping snow and I wanna go!

for rails / jumps with rotations the revolt 104 is going to be way better than the 102 FR or CT 2.0, I also love the camber/rocker profile of the revolt 104, its basicly a stiffish parkski, that can carve, but feels soft at slower speeds, if that makes any sense. The rocker once on carve makes the ski have longer and more solid contact area, but its like a 45-50mph ski, not a really fast ski, but.. again more fun. so it depends on how fast your friends are for the day I think. I will grab the revolt 104, 102 Fr or CT 2.0 probably depending on who/what I will ski.



Im really looking forward to testing the revolt 104 in some trees and more mixed snow,


For me the BC100 is a great ski, but doesnt really excel at anything, its good for 1 quiver, or 2, not mulitple


as far as weight BC100 is the lighest, but revolt 104 is what, 1950 grams? something, its surprisingly light for such a solid feeling ski, the 102 Fr 2100-2150? and CT2.0 2021 a fatty at 2350grams



Im often in same situtation, just wanna do some park laps at end of day, and I might not be able to switch skis, or maybe park laps during some frontside carving with friends , for learning more freestyle I would definetly reccomend the revolt 104. The revolt 104 will gain popularity once people start getting them, and letting friends test, demos etc.

reckoner 102 is of course another very good reccomendation from what I read, but its a total noodle vs even the revolt 104, the Bc100 and others. I bought the reckoner 112 and 122, was going to get the 102 but... for me its just to soft.

I also own the BO118 and I've owned and skied multiple brahmas (currently brahma free)

I own and I've tested quite a few of the 2021 skis, and the revolt 104 is so far my current favorite for the use you describe (with 102FR for more chargy stuff and some park)

The Jeffery can carve really well on anything short of post rain icy groomers. Even on that they’re super predictable and easy to slide. They really sound perfect for you I love raging on them as well messing around at slow speed

One more vote for revolt 104 from me. Took them out for few test laps couple of weeks ago and really enjoyed them. Surprisingly good on groomers and enjoyed them on small park features as well.

I’ve only had one day on my Jeff 102s but I got them for literally the same piece of my quiver. I have the 108s too and the 102 is noticeably more carvy and light which makes it way more fun for slower skiing or short snappy bursts skiing with the GF. I can already tell they’re gonna be the only ski I ever ride on the locals, and up at whistler any time there isn’t fresh.

Never felt like there’s too little nose on the 186s to really lay into it, but it’s been a while since I’ve been on something directional so I can’t comment on whether you’d find the stance too far forward. Definitely felt that on the 181 J96s I was on last year though.

A buddy has had two pairs of PB&Js and he rides them basically every day on groomers trees, park etc. Any day that isn’t fresh or purely park.

I wouldn’t bother going up to a 108 if you are seeing this as a low tide groomer chillin ski and already have burlier options for those bigger days, but width really seems a personal preference haha.

Id pick up a wildcat

4frnt Devastator

rips the groomers, is super stable, snappy and playful, definitely a charger but can turn on a dime with the reflect tech. floats in pow

this ski definitely doesn't get as much praise on ns as on3p, moment, jskis, or other companies but they are the ultimate one ski quiver imo

aight based on all this I would try and demo a revolt 104 and bentchetler 100 and ranger fr 102 hopefully on the cheap / same store so you can swap. If you arnt going in the park much the mount on the revolt may be a weeeee bit forward. My recollection of Whistler groomers is they can be super icy from melt refereeze and rain. It’s possible you’ll really prefer the ranger on those days and decide the bump up in edge hold and the confidence it inspires is worth the knock on how “fun” it is relative to the others. You can ask the shop to bump the bindings to -6 or w/e. Maybe size down the ranger relative to the other two? I wouldn’t go longer.


ski that is fun taking it easy with friends and family while also able to rip around if you need it is my favorite genre of ski.

the revolt 104 is designed to be mounted there, meaning all the camber/radius etc are made for it, it just surprisingly good for a -1.75 ski even lets you drive shovels a bit, this IS a factor.

Surprised that nobody has said Line SFB so far.

FruitBootProSurprised that nobody has said Line SFB so far.

for someone who has a BO118 and brahama the SFB's will be a total noodle, allthough a fun one, and imho wider than you would want.

ShredtheGnarSlayMy hesitation with the Jeffrey is the super centered mount, I'm at -6 on the Black Ops. I do like to get forward in my skis when I'm charging, and hear the Jeffrey isn't the best for that?

What conditions did you find the pb&j lacking in? That was one of my frontrunners due to the stifness and alleged groomer performance, while still being quite lightweight.

If I didn't have the Black Ops, I'd probably just get the Deathwish, as I hear good things, but I think I think there may be too much overlap just due to the width. How do you find the Deathwish for spins and flicking it about etc?

Bent Chetler is defs also a front runner, my friend also has one and loves it.

**This post was edited on Dec 15th 2020 at 12:23:56am

I don't have a huge amount of experience on the J108, but when I did ski it I never struggled with getting to far forward or anything like that. It's pretty much the household name for a playful charger.

The PBJ (Wildcat 101), was definitely a fun ski, but for me, it was essentially just a worse Bentchetler 100. Ik this will get downvoted probably, but they are very similar skis, and they are both super versatile. The PBJ is also a bit heavier. Between the two, I'd suggest the BC100.

The Deathwish is as good as most skinnier skis when spinning and flicking it around. I don't think there would be a ton of overlap with your BO118 because they are pretty different skis. The width is pretty similar, but the Black Ops feels like a wider ski, and the DW feels like a skinnier ski IMO.

Cheers to everyone for the input!

anders_aSuper surprised at how good they are! reccomended mount is -1.75!

You need to prioritize how chargy you want them, it will take something away from the fun/jibby/park aspect.

I *love* chargy twintips, and I've skied a lot on the 102FR with mount bumped forward, its a better carving ski for higher speeds than the revolt 104, but its less fun for park related stuff like rails or rotations, but quite good to go switch on. new CT 2.0 2021 will probably be even more there to chargy/fast side, I havent tried it yet, putting binders on tomorrow I think as its dumping snow and I wanna go!

for rails / jumps with rotations the revolt 104 is going to be way better than the 102 FR or CT 2.0, I also love the camber/rocker profile of the revolt 104, its basicly a stiffish parkski, that can carve, but feels soft at slower speeds, if that makes any sense. The rocker once on carve makes the ski have longer and more solid contact area, but its like a 45-50mph ski, not a really fast ski, but.. again more fun. so it depends on how fast your friends are for the day I think. I will grab the revolt 104, 102 Fr or CT 2.0 probably depending on who/what I will ski.



Im really looking forward to testing the revolt 104 in some trees and more mixed snow,


For me the BC100 is a great ski, but doesnt really excel at anything, its good for 1 quiver, or 2, not mulitple


as far as weight BC100 is the lighest, but revolt 104 is what, 1950 grams? something, its surprisingly light for such a solid feeling ski, the 102 Fr 2100-2150? and CT2.0 2021 a fatty at 2350grams



Im often in same situtation, just wanna do some park laps at end of day, and I might not be able to switch skis, or maybe park laps during some frontside carving with friends , for learning more freestyle I would definetly reccomend the revolt 104. The revolt 104 will gain popularity once people start getting them, and letting friends test, demos etc.

reckoner 102 is of course another very good reccomendation from what I read, but its a total noodle vs even the revolt 104, the Bc100 and others. I bought the reckoner 112 and 122, was going to get the 102 but... for me its just to soft.

I also own the BO118 and I've owned and skied multiple brahmas (currently brahma free)

I own and I've tested quite a few of the 2021 skis, and the revolt 104 is so far my current favorite for the use you describe (with 102FR for more chargy stuff and some park)

Hmmm, so much to chew on here. Definitely gonna try and get on the Revolt 104, seems to be a lot of love for it in this thread (they are quite cheap as well right now).

I'm not into park, or at least not rails, so maybe should be giving the 102 fr a serious look, providing it still spins well and is fun to just take it easy on.

Austintexas25The Jeffery can carve really well on anything short of post rain icy groomers. Even on that they’re super predictable and easy to slide. They really sound perfect for you I love raging on them as well messing around at slow speed

KevskiI’ve only had one day on my Jeff 102s but I got them for literally the same piece of my quiver. I have the 108s too and the 102 is noticeably more carvy and light which makes it way more fun for slower skiing or short snappy bursts skiing with the GF. I can already tell they’re gonna be the only ski I ever ride on the locals, and up at whistler any time there isn’t fresh.

Damn, Jeffrey enters the chat, and the fact it carves well really muddies the water. Blister's assertion that it gets a bit squirrely with a forward stance is my only hesitation, but good to hear it's maybe not that pronounced. Wish you could demo 0N3P up here.

ericformanaight based on all this I would try and demo a revolt 104 and bentchetler 100 and ranger fr 102 hopefully on the cheap / same store so you can swap. If you arnt going in the park much the mount on the revolt may be a weeeee bit forward. My recollection of Whistler groomers is they can be super icy from melt refereeze and rain. It’s possible you’ll really prefer the ranger on those days and decide the bump up in edge hold and the confidence it inspires is worth the knock on how “fun” it is relative to the others. You can ask the shop to bump the bindings to -6 or w/e. Maybe size down the ranger relative to the other two? I wouldn’t go longer.


ski that is fun taking it easy with friends and family while also able to rip around if you need it is my favorite genre of ski.

Thanks dude, good info. For horrible Whistler days I might just be on the Brahma, but going to try and get on all of the ones mentioned here. I may be able to get on my buddies BC 100, and see where I can demo the others.

Bended_ToenailI don't have a huge amount of experience on the J108, but when I did ski it I never struggled with getting to far forward or anything like that. It's pretty much the household name for a playful charger.

The PBJ (Wildcat 101), was definitely a fun ski, but for me, it was essentially just a worse Bentchetler 100. Ik this will get downvoted probably, but they are very similar skis, and they are both super versatile. The PBJ is also a bit heavier. Between the two, I'd suggest the BC100.

The Deathwish is as good as most skinnier skis when spinning and flicking it around. I don't think there would be a ton of overlap with your BO118 because they are pretty different skis. The width is pretty similar, but the Black Ops feels like a wider ski, and the DW feels like a skinnier ski IMO.

Thanks again. Going to do a bit more reading about the Jeffrey. Deathwish is still there as the Wildcard pick as well. Good to hear the PB&J and BC 100 are similar, that's kind of what I figured.

From the sounds of what you’re looking for I think you would honestly get on really well with our Pioneer. @patagonialuke breaks down it’s performance in his Blister review here : https://blisterreview.com/gear-reviews/2019-2020-fauna-pioneer

if you’re keen, drop me a message and I’ll hook you up, whether it’s full set up or just skis.

FaunaSkisFrom the sounds of what you’re looking for I think you would honestly get on really well with our Pioneer. @patagonialuke breaks down it’s performance in his Blister review here : https://blisterreview.com/gear-reviews/2019-2020-fauna-pioneer

if you’re keen, drop me a message and I’ll hook you up, whether it’s full set up or just skis.

Also sounds to be be in line with what I'm looking for!

Gorgeous looking skis as well. Appreciate the offer, you've given me even more thinking to do.

FaunaSkisFrom the sounds of what you’re looking for I think you would honestly get on really well with our Pioneer. @patagonialuke breaks down it’s performance in his Blister review here : https://blisterreview.com/gear-reviews/2019-2020-fauna-pioneer

if you’re keen, drop me a message and I’ll hook you up, whether it’s full set up or just skis.

yo ngl those skis are tight. They look super unique with a lot of taper at the tips and a lot of both rocker splay and a super high camber. I also love how the upturned tip rocker matches the tapered section exactly. I've had that idea for a while now, it really makes sense because that part isn't going to be touching the ground anyway when you're turning down hardpack. Only thing that's weird to be about it is the super light weight. I wish Fauna the best. What is their availability in America?

If you enjoy a blackops at -5 you wont have any problem with the stance of a jeffrey. If you only skied a brahma and push tips super hard that could be an issue, but that doesn’t sound like you.

Just make sure you don’t get something too stiff and long. The ranger 102 is good, but the reckoner 102 is going to be the cheapest and easiest for you to get in Van. Sure it might be soft, but it’s a ton of fun and will allow you to actually play around. A lot of the other skis mentioned here require a lot of speed before they come alive.

Another ski that is actually fun at low speeds is the rustler 10.

ShredtheGnarSlayAlso sounds to be be in line with what I'm looking for!

Gorgeous looking skis as well.

Thanks. They look even better in person. Never fails to turn heads & start conversations.

FruitBootProyo ngl those skis are tight. They look super unique with a lot of taper at the tips and a lot of both rocker splay and a super high camber. I also love how the upturned tip rocker matches the tapered section exactly. I've had that idea for a while now, it really makes sense because that part isn't going to be touching the ground anyway when you're turning down hardpack. Only thing that's weird to be about it is the super light weight. I wish Fauna the best. What is their availability in America?

The nose shape is a scaled back version that we tried on wider prototypes that just planed really nicely in all things soft.
There’s a trade off with any touring friendly weight skis, they’re not “crud-busting chargers” (the freeride equivalent claim to the park ski “bomb-proof construction”). The stiffness underfoot combined with plenty of camber and the quickness to correct course on them helps with their suspension feel and gets you through hard rough terrain without getting bucked.

We’re direct only for now and shipping with UPS to North America gets them door to door in 3-4 working days usually.

Yeah pretty sure the rec line on the jeffreys is at -4.6. I originally wanted to go center because that’s what I always do, but I ended up listening to @iggyskier and was glad I did. Not a directional feel by any means, but I wouldn’t group it with your typical symmetrical skis.